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malaise

(269,312 posts)
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:31 PM Jan 2019

We now know how they stole the elections

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/manafort-russian-poll-share-konstantin-kilimnik-trump-investigation-2016-election-latest

Manafort shared polling data on 2016 election with elusive Russian – Mueller

Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort shared polling data on the 2016 election with a Russian man linked to Moscow’s intelligence agencies, according to special counsel Robert Mueller.

Mueller, who is investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and any coordination with Trump’s team, said in a court filing last year that the FBI assesses that Kilimnik “has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016”.

Kilimnik, 48, trained at a university connected to Russia’s military intelligence agency, formerly known as the GRU, which allegedly spearheaded the Kremlin’s effort to disrupt the US election in 2016. The US has concluded that the Russian operation was ordered by President Vladimir Putin to help Trump’s campaign.

Mueller has also previously said that Rick Gates, Manafort’s deputy on the Trump campaign, described Kilimnik as “a former Russian intelligence officer with the GRU”, which Kilimnik denies.
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Many of us knew they stole it from day one.
ITMF!!!
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We now know how they stole the elections (Original Post) malaise Jan 2019 OP
I must have missed something underpants Jan 2019 #1
Me too. Someone explain please. EOM yankeepants Jan 2019 #3
Manafort gave the Russians polling data renate Jan 2019 #7
I'd say more likely they used it to target specific groups and areas underpants Jan 2019 #12
that's what I meant, but you said it more clearly--thanks! nt renate Jan 2019 #16
Cambridge Analytica used the data to target people via social media. yardwork Jan 2019 #30
I assume this has to do with the Manafort filing MissB Jan 2019 #6
Thanks nt underpants Jan 2019 #13
Mueller has evidence that Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with the Russians. W_HAMILTON Jan 2019 #8
Thanks nt underpants Jan 2019 #14
Manafort gave crucial polling info to the Russians to use BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #10
Thanks nt. underpants Jan 2019 #15
Manafort is the American connected to the trump camp who shared info with the Russkies. brush Jan 2019 #19
That very well could be the case. BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #20
I added the link and snip n/t malaise Jan 2019 #17
It is becoming more and more what Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #2
Do you have a link, or a synopsis? lunatica Jan 2019 #4
The RNC hack story was on Bloomberg and Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #5
Link added malaise Jan 2019 #9
Thanks! lunatica Jan 2019 #18
The failure of Manafort's lawyers to keep redacted info redacted for those waiting on the meat... pecosbob Jan 2019 #11
Never have so few done so much to fuck so many. BSdetect Jan 2019 #21
and that extends globally, too Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #22
This is the biggest news of the day. Bigger than TV speeches or PM May's BrExit setback. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #23
And never forget that Paul Manafort, a Russian controlled asset picked Pence to be V.P. Botany Jan 2019 #24
Thank you! Pence is wholly owned by Putin. yardwork Jan 2019 #31
Don't forget they neutralized us here at DU too. They knew alot. TeamPooka Jan 2019 #25
They did way more than that malaise Jan 2019 #26
They knew a lot. warmfeet Jan 2019 #27
Stunning. This should be the only thing being talked about. Not a phony border wall Pepsidog Jan 2019 #28
Why did it take 2016 to make us wake up on Russia? There were warnings for years. MadDAsHell Jan 2019 #29
I love Obama but it was a grave mistake IMO to stand down when McConnell told him to. JudyM Jan 2019 #32
I was really afraid they were gonna steal it when all the stuff was coming out about Amaryllis Jan 2019 #33

renate

(13,776 posts)
7. Manafort gave the Russians polling data
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jan 2019

Presumably the OP is about how the Russians, using that data, managed to fine-tune the theft of the election by changing the vote in just the right states, by just the right amount, to give Trump the electoral college win. Not that that's the definitive conclusion anybody has reached yet, but it seems pretty plausible to me. Trump's win was like threading the eyes of three needles called Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

underpants

(183,040 posts)
12. I'd say more likely they used it to target specific groups and areas
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:46 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Remember the original Senate report said the Russians fooled with peoples search engine results in very specific parts of states.

MissB

(15,813 posts)
6. I assume this has to do with the Manafort filing
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jan 2019

Where his lawyers failed to properly black stuff out. You could copy and paste the words into Word and the black out would disappear.

Showed him apparently sharing stuff with the ruskies- polling info.

BigmanPigman

(51,660 posts)
10. Manafort gave crucial polling info to the Russians to use
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jan 2019

to target specific groups via social media the Summer of 2016. Swalwell said this type of info is proof that there was collusion to get tRump elected. Manafort is afraid of being harmed by Russia (and his family) and that is why he is lying to Mueller. He already has had all his assets seized and is looking at serious jail time so he is more afraid of Russia than tRump or Mueller.

This all shows COLLUSION! He conspired with an enemy to interfere with an election. Manafort needs to say, "Yes, I shared this info with Russia". Period.

brush

(53,978 posts)
19. Manafort is the American connected to the trump camp who shared info with the Russkies.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jan 2019

This has always been the smoking gun which connects trump to Putin and Mueller has had it all along.

Wonder if Manafort's attorneys made a mistake or purposely leaked this?

Maybe since his assets have been seized he hasn't been able to pay them.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. It is becoming more and more what
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jan 2019

many of us working campaigns suspected. So it looks like the real Treasure of info came via the RNC hack.

Notice how Shocked,I say shocked the Media is today. This story has been laying in plain sight .

pecosbob

(7,550 posts)
11. The failure of Manafort's lawyers to keep redacted info redacted for those waiting on the meat...
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jan 2019

Manafort passed on psychographic data from Cambridge Analytica on voters to his Russian handler...

No just a smoking gun of collusion, but a howitzer...

Botany

(70,655 posts)
24. And never forget that Paul Manafort, a Russian controlled asset picked Pence to be V.P.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

MIKE PENCE COULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT AND HE WAS HANDPICKED BY PAUL MANAFORT

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
27. They knew a lot.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:29 PM
Jan 2019

You better believe they did.

They still do.

This is ongoing.

I hope we are all prepared.

This is a fight for life.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
29. Why did it take 2016 to make us wake up on Russia? There were warnings for years.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jan 2019

If there's one thing I can fault President Obama on, it's the abject failure to recognize and address the Russian threat before it fucked us all.

No, Romney wasn't right on Russia in 2012, but he wasn't completely wrong either, and using Romney's comments as a "take us back to the 80's" campaign ad was a short term political gain for President Obama but a long term loss for the country.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
32. I love Obama but it was a grave mistake IMO to stand down when McConnell told him to.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:51 PM
Jan 2019

Maybe as the story unfolds over the next couple of years his rationale will be compelling, but at this point it doesn’t seem so.

Amaryllis

(9,527 posts)
33. I was really afraid they were gonna steal it when all the stuff was coming out about
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:55 PM
Jan 2019

Russian hacking in summer of 2016. So i was not surprised at the election results.

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