They're the ones who know what's going on.

C'mon!

It's like putting the summer intern you just hired as an associate to speak on behalf of a law firm or something.

'C'mon"....

To my point, I think it should have been Pelosi solo. She gets it by ranking since speaker of the house is a bigger deal than senate minority leader. There was no great need for chuck to be there.

noble causes, unlike tonight. That was highly effective.

Too soon for that to happen.


C & N will do just fine.

.......and sistah!
I really hope you are kidding!

Ben Carr was more entertaining than the band

Or Corey Booker. Someone with a legal mind who can quickly expose deceit without too much stammering.

And go fishing for grouper.

We do it by dragging bait behind the boat. Very effective.

He ran a good boat, I caught a Mother-in-Law, I looked at the thing and wanted to throw it back, until several people on the boat told me that if I did that, they would throw me overboard, I guess the things are good eating.

Some people are good at choosing the best bait.

The former certainly has SOME skills and might even be a prodigy, but most of us would like to ensure they've achieved the EXPERIENCE to handle the surgery that comes with training and time.

AOC might be a prodigy--time will tell. But, she is not the Speaker of the House, nor has she demonstrated the skills and results necessary YET to be eligible for a LEADERSHIP position. I hope that she will.

But if you want to make an argument, it would be a complete disrespect for them to let someone who the right wing completely are losing their minds over deliver the prepared remarks.

The Democrats are attempting to govern and bring this country back to sanity. Everything isn't a political grudge match. Trying to make the other side lose their minds is Trumpism, not responsible governance.

Goes together like a horse and a carriage, ham and cheese.........

she has neither the background, savvy, or experience to deliver a rebuttal.

She has potential but she's a total rookie who's been in the House for one week. When/if she proves she has leadership potential and actually achieves a leadership position she can deliver rebuttals to presidents' addresses on national TV but not before then.

...... for all the reasons mentioned in this thread plus those reasons that haven't been mentioned yet.

Just kidding.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

Isn't being the "bright, shiny object" one of the main reasons we have utter contempt for 45 and his cult? Serious times need serious people.

Democratic policies would be on everyone's mind the very next day. The cable news channels would cover it for weeks. The most exciting fresh face in politics would be front and center. It would motivate young voters like nothing else. It would be a master stroke of political marketing and genius.

So of course it would not even be considered. No, let's just send out Pelosi and Schumer. Whatever they say will be lucky to last one news cycle. And not even that if Trump happens to send a misspelled tweet over something he saw on Fox.

and is the one doing all the hard work.. of course, she and Sen Schumer are the ones who should give the Democratic Response.

Pelosi Cranks Up Pressure on Republicans Over Shutdown

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211640218

It's about what's best for the American people.

People. She had a big part in making the BLUE WAVE Happen.

Democracy is what's best for the American people.

our Democracy.

AOC would be a big help right now. We should ignore that because Pelosi would get her feelings hurt? It sounds as if you're more concerned with Pelosi's ego than policies that will help the American people.

That is literally what she was elected to do, and with AOC’s vote.

AOC was elected by one district in New York, and does not represent the majority of the House as its speaker.

How about experience? History? Lifelong service to democratic party's values? A proven track record of getting things done?

If you are going to fight a war, do you want your commander to be a seasoned and decorated veteran of several wars or do you get some inexperienced new recruit who can tweet a lot about wars?

I’d prefer Rashida Tlaib.

haters gonna hate

My impressions of her so far:

She's brand new. She looks interesting and she's bold. She may be a little ahead of herself, and possibly a but full of herself?

Her tax proposal is not bad, although there are pros and cons about putting it forward at this time, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable if she was working with other representatives who already know the ropes. It leaves me to wonder if she is looking for a fast track to political stardom.

Maybe there's a lesson to be learned that grandstanding, insulting our party leaders and has undesirable consequences. I hope our message is getting through. It serves no good purpose to suggest Democrats do nothing or that Democrats don't care about climate change.

Direct quotes would be nice, but I won't hold my breath.

Geez.

After watching her on rachel it shouldnt be.

Absolutely no slight intended toward Nancy & Chuck, but she was magnificent in her interview with Rachel.

On Rachel.

Yeah. Yeah she should have.

Anyone who thinks AOC needs to "sit down" and "be quiet" needs to watch that Rachel interview over and over until they get a clue. AOC needs to learn? Nah, you need to learn from AOC.

I get it. She’s good. She is smart and capable of great things. But she hasn’t done those things yet. I’m behind her as she takes her considerable talents and uses them as an incoming congressperson should. Then I’ll afford her a different kind of respect than the considerable I feel now.

This OP turned out to be quite a self-own didn't it.

and threatening a months- or years-long government shutdown and this is the best you can do?

This was the response on behalf of the Democratic Party as a whole. AOC is a rising star and going places, but she does not have a party leadership role.

Yet.

It's an unrealistic fantasy to think that it would ever be given to her. GMAFB.

most forceful rebuttal of the evening. It's a good thing that Rachel Maddow knows what's happening.

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It's also negotiating and effectuating solutions after the cameras are turned off.

You know she can't do these things because...


Oh wait. You don't. You have absolutely nothing to base that on whatsoever.

But I didn't, so you don't...

You mean that in a positive way. There was nothing negative implied at all.

Clearly anyone reading between the lines and picking up any insult or innuendo is totally off base.

We'll just totally disregard the fact you've been bashing her all up and down the board since she appeared on the scene.

It's completely irrelevant!

Please be specific and quote something I actually wrote that qualifies as a "bashing" - which, given your belief that I've been "bashing her all up and down the board since she appeared on the scene," shouldn't be too difficult for you to do.

It's the same three or four joining in on every post with her name in it. So obvious, seems they are protected by some click. No bashing democrats doesn't apply to AOC.
It is the old we are better than that crowd. Learn from your fucking elders, bullshit. I'm 69 and I love this new courage in our young representatives.

You've produced no examples of me "bashing" Ocasio-Cortez - either "all up and down the board" or otherwise.

Because I've done nothing of the kind.

But I'm not playing this game. Sorry.

if very obvious. I see no reason to expect that Rep. Ocasio-Cortez will not do well in the areas you highlighted only time will tell of course. It would certainly be premature to judge her abilities to form alliances or craft legislation in the Congress at this point, but she has charisma and without that no politician is going to go very far.

But I haven't seen anyone judge her abilities at this point - but people are cautioning her to develop her obvious natural talents to make sure she lives up to her potential.

While it's a great attribute to have, charisma isn't a requirement for or a guarantee of a successful political career. I've known and worked with politicians who have the charisma of an earthworm, but they've been very successful because they consistently deliver for their constituents. And I've also known and worked with politicians who were brimming with charisma, but being charismatic turned out to be their only turned out to be their only talent and didn't do the hard, unsexy work required and they didn't last very long.

but I don't know of any politicians above say a city council or school board who could be described as both successful and without charisma.

Most people outside of their districts don't know who they are ... but their constituents know them well and love them because they've worked hard for them.