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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan someone explain to the white/male "bros" why calling Harris and Booker racist towards blacks...
...is inappropriate (to say the least)?
This isn't to say they are above criticism.
But some self awareness is in order if white folks start white-splaining and/or white-mansplaining how Booker and Harris are actually racist towards black folks. (fyi, Harris is black and also Asian American).
The folks who do this, far left as they might be, probably have no idea how it sounds and looks when they do this and fail to realize the kind of errors they make in the process.
disclaimer: I'm white and I'm not afraid to criticize black politicians, but to call black politicians racist against black Americans, politicians that have strong civil rights records, as a white person, I just cringe and I just can't do it. It's insensitive and I would tread lightly before I start telling nonwhite folks how to not be racist. Perhaps there might be an instance where it would be warranted, but for simply having a more or less incremental approach on an issue related to race, to call them racist for not agreeing with me? That's flat wrong.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)I know. Especially if you are female. They wont hear you.
Demsrule86
(68,861 posts)Can't explain to them period.
JustAnotherGen
(32,052 posts)Of this OP - but you are spot on. I get a little sick and tired of white folks defining jack shit about black folks.
It comes from an arrogant default setting mentality.
wryter2000
(46,145 posts)apologize to you for the behavior of some people of my race.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I didn't agree with it when it was done to Hillary either.
But this is even more offensive and wrong and it's insensitive beyond belief, especially from folks who are claiming to be the most sensitive (by virtue of being far to the left on economic and civil rights issues).
wryter2000
(46,145 posts)Who's doing it now? Sometimes I can't stand my own (white) race.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)basically.
sadly, even Bernie got into the act when he said he would do a better job on race than Obama had. of:
aidbo
(2,328 posts)LexVegas
(6,121 posts)Cha
(298,119 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I really don't understand the resistance of a guy who fancies himself a common person to show the world his tax returns. It seems to me, if he is what he says he is in terms of commonness, the tax returns will prove that beyond a doubt.
Cha
(298,119 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)Also disgusting
Marcuse
(7,564 posts)herding cats
(19,569 posts)I've been seeing some of this bubbling up on Twitter. I'm of a mind it stems from more than insensitivity, but I agree it's flat wrong. Some serious reflection on how their messages are actually being perceived as are in order.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Even if it's unintentionally racist.
One doesn't need bad intentions to do racist things.
And the folks doing this kind of talking have usually taken nowhere near the risks, have nowhere near the record of effort on matters of race than say, Cory Booker or Kamala Harris.
They idea that they'd call them racist for not agreeing with an armchair Democratic socialist/liberal/left -whatever they want to be called is not only ridiculous, it's offensive.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)As you say, they're usually speaking from a position in society where they've been insulated from the risks faced by people like Harris and Booker. I'm not blaming them for their position in life being different, but their lack of understanding and empathy I do blame them for.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)than some white dudes posting on Facebook, Twitter or wherever in favor of, well, their candidate.
demmiblue
(36,920 posts)David__77
(23,638 posts)...
hunter
(38,354 posts)It's my experience that racism exists everywhere on the Left-Right spectrum.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)wrong.
safeinOhio
(32,762 posts)I have asked someone if they were a bigot.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)what youre describing is probably a Type I error
betsuni
(25,840 posts)Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It's one of the anti-Democratic go-to attacks. Shame we have to see it here.
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)As you said, it isn't that people of color cannot be called out for discrimination, internalized oppression, and other problems with regards to racial policies. There have always been people of color who attribute incorrectly the source of problems within their community. You have people like Bill Cosby who went around telling young Black men that their problems stemmed from them needing to "pick up your pants and stop acting foolish" and the like. There are Black conservatives who have bought into the idea that racism and discrimination do not factor into the problems faced by Black people and that the Democratic Party engages in "plantation politics".
The problem with White people telling people of color anything about their approach to racial policies is that White people do not have the experience of really dealing with racism and the lack of power that it entails.
Obviously for a complete critique of these White/male bros, it would require context under which they are calling out Harris and Booker specifically. What did they say? Which particular policies or acts would indicate racism in their minds? Etc...
But a quick thumbnail would always be, if you are thinking of calling out any fairly progressive person of color for being a racist... DON'T DO IT.
obamanut2012
(26,192 posts)to "prove" they are racist against blacks, you are a racist, and are just being coy about calling people like Booker or Harris an Uncle Tom.
And, for the record, if people would actually READ "Uncle Tom's Cabin," Tom was a HERO, a Christ-like figure murdered for refusing to "snitch" on where runaways slaves escaped to.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Gothmog
(146,009 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Or is this just a generic division tactic?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)racism divides us.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Is there a link to what youre talking about?