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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:15 PM Jan 2019

Can someone explain to the white/male "bros" why calling Harris and Booker racist towards blacks...

...is inappropriate (to say the least)?

This isn't to say they are above criticism.

But some self awareness is in order if white folks start white-splaining and/or white-mansplaining how Booker and Harris are actually racist towards black folks. (fyi, Harris is black and also Asian American).

The folks who do this, far left as they might be, probably have no idea how it sounds and looks when they do this and fail to realize the kind of errors they make in the process.

disclaimer: I'm white and I'm not afraid to criticize black politicians, but to call black politicians racist against black Americans, politicians that have strong civil rights records, as a white person, I just cringe and I just can't do it. It's insensitive and I would tread lightly before I start telling nonwhite folks how to not be racist. Perhaps there might be an instance where it would be warranted, but for simply having a more or less incremental approach on an issue related to race, to call them racist for not agreeing with me? That's flat wrong.

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Can someone explain to the white/male "bros" why calling Harris and Booker racist towards blacks... (Original Post) CreekDog Jan 2019 OP
You can't explain anything to the white male 'bros' apcalc Jan 2019 #1
Russian bots or Republicans...Ron Paul types... Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #19
I'm not sure about the back ground JustAnotherGen Jan 2019 #2
Please, let this white female wryter2000 Jan 2019 #5
I see some folks, not here (yet), trying to call Booker and Harris racist as they did to Hillary CreekDog Jan 2019 #6
Good grief wryter2000 Jan 2019 #3
same folks who called Hillary racist CreekDog Jan 2019 #8
Citation needed. aidbo Jan 2019 #12
"Sanders says he'd be better for race relations than Obama" LexVegas Jan 2019 #15
Yeah, he says a lot of stuff. Cha Jan 2019 #24
But not a peep about his taxes. Blue_true Jan 2019 #27
Right.. not one peep. Cha Jan 2019 #28
It's classic entitlement ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #4
This is the type of thing foreign cyber intelligence can exploit. Marcuse Jan 2019 #7
I've noticed it too, and I agree with you. herding cats Jan 2019 #9
I'm of that mind too. I'll call that behavior racist CreekDog Jan 2019 #10
Yes, it's racist. herding cats Jan 2019 #14
Yes. In addition, I'd suggest that Harris and Booker have done more for civil rights CreekDog Jan 2019 #22
I have no idea what you are talking about. demmiblue Jan 2019 #11
Complaints about the "far left!" Lol David__77 Jan 2019 #17
I'm about as "far left" as you get and some kind of Luddite too. hunter Jan 2019 #20
Absolutely not. There are plenty of people on the far left that DON'T do this. CreekDog Jan 2019 #21
I never call any one a racist. safeinOhio Jan 2019 #13
i was mainly referring to Type II errors CreekDog Jan 2019 #16
Whoopi Goldberg was called sexist and racist for giving mild criticism to betsuni Jan 2019 #18
Racial politics is very tricky. Caliman73 Jan 2019 #23
Yeah, if you are quoting a white abolitionist at a black pol obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #25
yes CreekDog Jan 2019 #30
K&R Gothmog Jan 2019 #26
Do you have examples? TCJ70 Jan 2019 #29
stopping racism is to unite us, not divide us CreekDog Jan 2019 #31
No doubt...your post is just very non-specific. TCJ70 Jan 2019 #32

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
1. You can't explain anything to the white male 'bros'
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:17 PM
Jan 2019

I know. Especially if you are female. They won’t hear you.

JustAnotherGen

(32,052 posts)
2. I'm not sure about the back ground
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:24 PM
Jan 2019

Of this OP - but you are spot on. I get a little sick and tired of white folks defining jack shit about black folks.

It comes from an arrogant default setting mentality.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
6. I see some folks, not here (yet), trying to call Booker and Harris racist as they did to Hillary
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jan 2019

I didn't agree with it when it was done to Hillary either.

But this is even more offensive and wrong and it's insensitive beyond belief, especially from folks who are claiming to be the most sensitive (by virtue of being far to the left on economic and civil rights issues).

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
8. same folks who called Hillary racist
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jan 2019

basically.

sadly, even Bernie got into the act when he said he would do a better job on race than Obama had. of:

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. But not a peep about his taxes.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jan 2019

I really don't understand the resistance of a guy who fancies himself a common person to show the world his tax returns. It seems to me, if he is what he says he is in terms of commonness, the tax returns will prove that beyond a doubt.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
9. I've noticed it too, and I agree with you.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jan 2019

I've been seeing some of this bubbling up on Twitter. I'm of a mind it stems from more than insensitivity, but I agree it's flat wrong. Some serious reflection on how their messages are actually being perceived as are in order.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
10. I'm of that mind too. I'll call that behavior racist
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:54 PM
Jan 2019

Even if it's unintentionally racist.

One doesn't need bad intentions to do racist things.

And the folks doing this kind of talking have usually taken nowhere near the risks, have nowhere near the record of effort on matters of race than say, Cory Booker or Kamala Harris.

They idea that they'd call them racist for not agreeing with an armchair Democratic socialist/liberal/left -whatever they want to be called is not only ridiculous, it's offensive.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
14. Yes, it's racist.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019

As you say, they're usually speaking from a position in society where they've been insulated from the risks faced by people like Harris and Booker. I'm not blaming them for their position in life being different, but their lack of understanding and empathy I do blame them for.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
22. Yes. In addition, I'd suggest that Harris and Booker have done more for civil rights
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:53 PM
Jan 2019

than some white dudes posting on Facebook, Twitter or wherever in favor of, well, their candidate.

hunter

(38,354 posts)
20. I'm about as "far left" as you get and some kind of Luddite too.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

It's my experience that racism exists everywhere on the Left-Right spectrum.

betsuni

(25,840 posts)
18. Whoopi Goldberg was called sexist and racist for giving mild criticism to
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jan 2019

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It's one of the anti-Democratic go-to attacks. Shame we have to see it here.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
23. Racial politics is very tricky.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:14 PM
Jan 2019

As you said, it isn't that people of color cannot be called out for discrimination, internalized oppression, and other problems with regards to racial policies. There have always been people of color who attribute incorrectly the source of problems within their community. You have people like Bill Cosby who went around telling young Black men that their problems stemmed from them needing to "pick up your pants and stop acting foolish" and the like. There are Black conservatives who have bought into the idea that racism and discrimination do not factor into the problems faced by Black people and that the Democratic Party engages in "plantation politics".

The problem with White people telling people of color anything about their approach to racial policies is that White people do not have the experience of really dealing with racism and the lack of power that it entails.

Obviously for a complete critique of these White/male bros, it would require context under which they are calling out Harris and Booker specifically. What did they say? Which particular policies or acts would indicate racism in their minds? Etc...

But a quick thumbnail would always be, if you are thinking of calling out any fairly progressive person of color for being a racist... DON'T DO IT.

obamanut2012

(26,192 posts)
25. Yeah, if you are quoting a white abolitionist at a black pol
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jan 2019

to "prove" they are racist against blacks, you are a racist, and are just being coy about calling people like Booker or Harris an Uncle Tom.

And, for the record, if people would actually READ "Uncle Tom's Cabin," Tom was a HERO, a Christ-like figure murdered for refusing to "snitch" on where runaways slaves escaped to.

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