to have PayGo, or have they all just said, that was our compromise....compromise with WHO?


Methinks Emanual Cleaver should try to get himself on the map in more auspicious ways than this.

Also, who is this unnamed politician who is in lockstep with Cortez ideologically? I totally feel like I should take the paper's word for that one...

God the journalism in this country...

Anyone reflexively supporting it just because Pelosi does has a lot of thinking to do.

....actually state.

I guess the three who voted against the rules, including one who was serving her first day in the House, know more than the 231 who voted in favor of them?

Remember this when some day some Democrats are bashed for "voting with the republicans". Don't be upset if their critics are reminded that those three voted along with the likes of Goehmert, Jordan, King, Collins of NY, etc.

Cleaver doesn't need to get himself "on the map", he's an experienced and accomplished Representative, probably serving his last term. He just cares about the Democratic party more than some.

who gives a fuck if she claps back at Joe Lieberman?

Hadassah probably laughed at her response.

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Best comeback in the history of comebacks.

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Only difference is she is literate.

STOP ATTACKING DEMOCRATS! Anyone who does that regularly will never go far and will always be thought of as divisive.

And while they are all too eager to swarm, attack and belittle anyone who offers a pointer, regardless how gently, they expect Ocasio-Cortez to be given free rein to say whatever she likes about anyone else with impunity.

I must have missed the memo.

there are dems who don’t do that and the ones who do. Big difference. Some who do often become involuntary lobbysts.

the way I see it: dems should not be accepting corporate money during primaries; general is different cause there may not be enough non-corporate money to offset the donor class (gop) advantage.

Thanks again!!

If you list employed or self employed, you have to name the entity that you get your living from. So, a secretary of a large corporation is a corporate donor, because he or she has to certify that she or he works for the corporation. The effort to brand people is offensive. Fortunately good rank and file democrats ignore the idiocy and contribute.

candidate. So if all of the 1-10 year employees of Excon-Mobil contributed to democrats and NO executives did, by your definition democrats that get the donations would be corporate democrats. Really way off the mark and counterproductive.

directly to candidate’s campaign. This is different from super PACs where corporations themselves contribute not just individual employees. PACs total amount of money far exceed individual donations therefore they have immense influence on candidates in a way no single individual employee will ever have. This is very simple: every candidate’s campaign has a website using which individuals can contribute directly not through some super pacs. This means candidates pledge that they won’t accept donations any other way. It’s fine if you have a thousand of employees of a huge conglomerate donatate individually. The do not donate as employees, they donate as individuals . The only reason they discolse their employer is because it is required.

So, a person that has no control over an entity that accepts corporate money is a corporate democrat?

Bernie now has a PAC aligned with him, my guess is it WILL accept corporate money and money from really rich people. Does that make Bernie a corporate democrat, or will the goalposts be moved and made wider for him?

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Been on DU for a while, seen DU freak out over a Politico article. Then a few days later we find out the article wasn’t accurate

AOC is the source of much pearl clutching and handwringing on here already.

based on one mild comment from one congress person. And, oh look. Its from politico. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

...AOC doesn't appear exasperated.

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sponsoring and passing legislation, not winning a Twitter battle.

Learn the Bernie lesson.

support for the policies she proposes and advocates for and people to have her and our own backs when she stands up to bad legislation. That takes communicating with us proles. Sorry.

Spent a lot of his time, and still does, attacking Democrats. He lost the primary in 2016 and will lose again if he runs for Pres. AOC seems bright and more positive than Bernie ever did, it can only help her to become effective and more powerful by cultivating allies.

in the past tense, Senator Sanders just won another 6 year term. That isn't was a legislator that is a legislator. You may find him to be an ineffective legislator, but Vermont seems to be satisfied and that counts more.

Bernie got beaten badly in diverse states in 2016. Winning in Vermont is easy for him, but so is it for Leahy.

You said that Senator Sanders was an ineffective legislator. I disagree with the ineffective part, but my real point was that he is a legislator not was a legislator. I don't care where else he can win or not, it is my deepest hope that he stay in the Senate and not try to run for President any more.

He was in the House for a long time, like the other poster pointed out (it was not me), he was a relatively ineffective gadfly. If you liked sound and fury, then maybe Bernie was the man, if you wanted progress, not so much.

simply get passed if you know how to be chummy with the other legislators...that's as disneyland as you can get. There is some legislation that can't even get considered unless the public is beating down the door. That's because the forces that control Washington are SOO much louder.

If you think it was simply Sanders poor legislative skills that have stood in the way of his progressive agenda, then wehre the fuck is that progressive agenda as meted out by the "professionals"? Why couldn't the real solid legislators get the good stuff even if Bernie sucked too bad to do so?

Yeah, because your premise is absurd.

and in my opinion is hardly a good look.

HATE it.. from any of them. It's childish IMHO.

That’s all the media will focus on. How the sausage is made is of no interest to them. So she risks being known more for that than any future legislative accomplishments. I enjoy some of it, but scratch my head on others. Like why is she responding to Ed Fucking Rollins? The man is a relic and a hack looking for attention. Pick your battles.

Half of those fools aren't worth the effort.

in the House and Senate if they want to get things accomplished.

Twitter doesn't cut it.

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Click-bait headlines and lots of “anonymous” sources.

I read Politico with a big ole boulder of salt.

Also too: waving their arms about those darn radicals. Nice try!

the Democratic party has a left wing. now that left wing has some vocal representation. how sad for some.

what's particularly rich is this bit from one of the congresscritters from my home state of Oregon:
“She’s new here, feeling her way around,” added Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.). “She doesn’t understand how the place works yet.”

this is coming from one of the Democrats who voted against Rep. Pelosi becoming speaker.
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He argued that he’s not trying to undermine Democratic policy goals on health care, the economy and other issues.
“We’re just differing on how to get there,” he said in a telephone interview with OPB. “Some people want to put their faith back in Ms. Pelosi and others of us feel very strongly on the other side that it’s time to move on and reform the process. I see no changes coming from her in the way we’re going to be running things.”

go ahead, read the OPB article. seems like some OREGON DEMOCRATS had serious issues with his vote, maybe even rising to the level of "exasperation", but i don't remember a focused smear campaign against Rep. Schrader playing out the way this anti-AOC thing has.

i find myself wondering whether it comes down to racism, sexism or a spicy mix of both...

Meanwhile, here are dozens of anonymous house dems coming together to "poop" on AOC. Ponderous.

She's unstoppable. Get on board or go away.

....regarding Cortez?

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The righties hate her, this is a good thing lol.

I think she is great.

Like me.

They should leave the newbies alone to find their way. If the people were put off by AOC she wouldn't have a following in the millions. The old guard needs to lighten up.

playing into the alt-right's/Trumper game: Ooooooo, look at the 'civil war' within the Democratic Party.

She'll learn the ropes. Or she won't. Why give the Right a talking point? If they truly hate her, find her annoying? That's not a bad thing. But these continuous articles that stir up shit do not benefit the Democratic Party.

Because that's the point: divide and conquer.

We've seen this before.

A lot of her statements are basically "put up, shut up, or make room for someone that will put up".

The GOP has been in control far too long and we have lost precious years. Change needs to be large scale, and near future.

and it doesn't matter whether it's real or perceived...

You do more damage by fighting her. She has the youth and the energy to drive the Democratic Party. Embrace her. She’s fever fending off attacks from the right in ways the Dems have not in recent years. Learn from her so perhaps she’ll learn from the old timers. Find a middle ground or just the fuck out of her way.