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kentuck

(111,111 posts) Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:35 AM Jan 2019

I have a suggestion:

The Republicans and the Democrats in the US Senate should hold a conference amongst themselves.

They should not include the Executive Branch.

Their fake "crisis" has turned into a real crisis. People are losing their jobs. It's time to end this disastrous policy of Donald Trump.

They should vote on whether or not to open the government. Full stop.

Then, they should debate about how much should be spent on "border security". How many "barriers" do we need?

There is no need to shut down the rest of the government just because they cannot agree on how much to spend on a border "barrier". It's time for them to come to their senses and open the government. If The trump vetoes it, then over-ride his veto. That is the only way we are going to get out of this mess.

It's time to talk to each other.

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I have a suggestion: (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2019 OP

Do you think that Mitch will let the Senate approve it? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #1

Talk to each other? Huh? McConnell has closed off debate manor321 Jan 2019 #2

I know. kentuck Jan 2019 #4

from my post a few minutes ago:McConnel knows there are NO good choices to be made. beachbum bob Jan 2019 #3

Well said! kentuck Jan 2019 #6

McConnel is where the buck stops for trump and GOP, until we see a MASSIVE beachbum bob Jan 2019 #9

the uprising will probably only happen if ginnyinWI Jan 2019 #10

All true. Spot on. underpants Jan 2019 #8

End the shutdown and agree to take up comprehensive immigration reform in short order. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #5

And probably most difficult of all... kentuck Jan 2019 #7

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

1. Do you think that Mitch will let the Senate approve it? (nt)

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:38 AM

Jan 2019

manor321

(3,344 posts)

2. Talk to each other? Huh? McConnell has closed off debate

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:38 AM

Jan 2019

McConnell is the only one with the power to open the debate. He can do it at any time. All requests on this should be sent to him.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)

4. I know.

Reply to manor321 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:40 AM

Jan 2019

That is why I made the post.

Do they want to open the government or they wish to see it get much worse?

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

3. from my post a few minutes ago:McConnel knows there are NO good choices to be made.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:39 AM

Jan 2019

This IS GOP"S last stand.

1. If and when he allows any house appropriations bills to HAVE a vote, they will pass easily in the Senate and then Trump will veto, so the anchor goes around the House and Senate GOP to vote on a veto OVERRIDED which takes 2/3rds to do.

2. 2/3rds = magic number of the Senate to find impeachment conviction, a number McConnel does not want to see with an override vote.

IF GOP politicians fall out of step, trumps base support is enough to see many, if not most of the defectors LOSE a primary challenge. Of course the replacements would be SO BATSHIT crazy that all sorts of NEW democratic pickups would be in play in 2020 (and 2022).

we are witnessing the full destruction of the Republican party in realtime.

We are not even talking Mueller probe, House investigations and hearings or FBI tying trump to Putin

throw that in too, what a mess and PUTIN COULD NOT BE HAPPIER

kentuck

(111,111 posts)

6. Well said!

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:42 AM

Jan 2019

Trump does not want to see a 2/3rds vote to over-ride his veto either.

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

9. McConnel is where the buck stops for trump and GOP, until we see a MASSIVE

Reply to kentuck (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:46 AM

Jan 2019

uprising of GOP Senators, this shutdown will remain in play. Its trump's only play he has left to distract from the tidal wave of corruption investigations heading his way.

McConnel is doing it as a matter of political survival....

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)

10. the uprising will probably only happen if

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:53 AM

Jan 2019

trump's disapproval rating among Republicans goes low enough. I think that's the number they're watching.

It would be nice if they had some compassion for this country rather than their own political well being.

underpants

(183,019 posts)

8. All true. Spot on.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:44 AM

Jan 2019

Mitch also knows that the thinking in the White House is that if Trump doesn't get this WIN his chances for re-election drop dramatically. Yes Mitch and others are scared witless about the primaries too.

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

5. End the shutdown and agree to take up comprehensive immigration reform in short order.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:41 AM

Jan 2019

Senate Republicans would be interested in this as they have seen that many Democrats will accept new wall construction when combined with other things we want. I'm just not sure these types of deals are workable at this point in time. The trust level between the members of congress has to be at a long time low. It's a conversation worth having and I think you are right, it needs to completely exclude the executive branch. It has to be about the senate moving the budget forward in big numbers. We are currently at a standoff.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)

7. And probably most difficult of all...

Reply to WeekiWater (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:43 AM

Jan 2019

Some Democrats will have to show that they are willing to vote differently from their Leaders also.

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