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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts) Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:24 PM Jan 2019

Can the House Dems subpoena the translator's notes?

Or would Idiot declare "executive privilege?"

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Can the House Dems subpoena the translator's notes? (Original Post) MoonRiver Jan 2019 OP

They no longer exist, I'm sure. MineralMan Jan 2019 #1

True edhopper Jan 2019 #2

Sure - and she'll tell her story of her memories of the conversation, then... CincyDem Jan 2019 #3

It's possible the NSA was listening and passed intel to FBI. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #5

Wow, that's an amazing twist! MoonRiver Jan 2019 #18

Who cares what the POtuS says edhopper Jan 2019 #10

But if they were subpoenaed, Idiot would have to explain why he can't turn them over. MoonRiver Jan 2019 #6

I doubt that he's all that concerned about it, frankly. MineralMan Jan 2019 #8

I don't know. Treason is about as big as it gets. MoonRiver Jan 2019 #14

Actually edhopper Jan 2019 #11

So what do you think his explanation would be for not having the notes? MoonRiver Jan 2019 #15

private meeting edhopper Jan 2019 #16

Executive privilege usually pertains to communications between a president and his advisors. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #4

Pertains to what a president says is privileged and why Supreme Court will beachbum bob Jan 2019 #7

There is no executive privilege when a foreign leader is in the meeting. OliverQ Jan 2019 #9

Privilege is between trump and the interpreter. The case will go to beachbum bob Jan 2019 #13

The communication wasn't to the interpreter but merely through her. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #17

Citation for that? onenote Jan 2019 #20

The Nixon case suggests that communications relating to military or diplomatic matters onenote Jan 2019 #19

That's true; but the court also said the privilege isn't absolute. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #21

No executive privilege because they don't involve communications between a president and his staff EffieBlack Jan 2019 #12

Touche! I saw what you did! MoonRiver Jan 2019 #22

Things to keep in mind. RDANGELO Jan 2019 #23

They need to subpoena all the records from the white house and impeach him already! Joe941 Jan 2019 #24

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)

1. They no longer exist, I'm sure.

Reply to MoonRiver (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:26 PM

Jan 2019

Trump trashed them immediately. He has no respect for the public's right to know everything he does as President.

edhopper

(33,667 posts)

2. True

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:28 PM

Jan 2019

but they can subpoena the translator.

CincyDem

(6,419 posts)

3. Sure - and she'll tell her story of her memories of the conversation, then...

Reply to edhopper (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:33 PM

Jan 2019

...Cheeto will make up a name for her, call her an Obama holdover, and say "what do you expect her to say - she's a Dem".

There's only 3 people and 1 institution who know what was really said in that room...Trump, Putin, the translator...and the Russian Intelligence apparatus. Other than that - nobody else needs to know in Trump's opinion.

What an asshat.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)

5. It's possible the NSA was listening and passed intel to FBI.

Reply to CincyDem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:35 PM

Jan 2019

They won't reveal that until all is said and done.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

18. Wow, that's an amazing twist!

Reply to Claritie Pixie (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:13 PM

Jan 2019

edhopper

(33,667 posts)

10. Who cares what the POtuS says

Reply to CincyDem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:50 PM

Jan 2019

it will be on record and can be used for his coming impeachment.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

6. But if they were subpoenaed, Idiot would have to explain why he can't turn them over.

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:37 PM

Jan 2019

The fool might actually admit he destroyed them, and politically, that would be...

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)

8. I doubt that he's all that concerned about it, frankly.

Reply to MoonRiver (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:39 PM

Jan 2019

He has blown off much larger issues.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

14. I don't know. Treason is about as big as it gets.

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:03 PM

Jan 2019

edhopper

(33,667 posts)

11. Actually

Reply to MoonRiver (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:51 PM

Jan 2019

that would be a felony. Destroying official records. A High Crime.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

15. So what do you think his explanation would be for not having the notes?

Reply to edhopper (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:05 PM

Jan 2019

edhopper

(33,667 posts)

16. private meeting

Reply to MoonRiver (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:10 PM

Jan 2019

executive privilege

trust me

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,996 posts)

4. Executive privilege usually pertains to communications between a president and his advisors.

Reply to MoonRiver (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:35 PM

Jan 2019

While it appears that Putin really was and is an "advisor," technically he's the head of an adversary state, so I don't see how Tiny could claim executive privilege. In some cases it might also be used to withhold sensitive national security or diplomatic information, which is probably what they'd claim. However, there's no way to know whether the conversations with Putin fall into that category unless the claim of privilege is contested. How can Tiny claim to have been discussing sensitive national security or diplomatic matters with Putin if he won't tell anybody, including his own State Department officials, what he discussed?

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

7. Pertains to what a president says is privileged and why Supreme Court will

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:39 PM

Jan 2019

have to decide.

Any guesses how the court will rule?

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)

9. There is no executive privilege when a foreign leader is in the meeting.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:45 PM

Jan 2019

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

13. Privilege is between trump and the interpreter. The case will go to

Reply to OliverQ (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:01 PM

Jan 2019

Supreme Court.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,996 posts)

17. The communication wasn't to the interpreter but merely through her.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:10 PM

Jan 2019

He wasn't discussing matters with her; she's no more a member of his staff for the purposes of executive privilege than Google Translate (except that the human translator would have been more accurate).

onenote

(42,837 posts)

20. Citation for that?

Reply to OliverQ (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:17 PM

Jan 2019

onenote

(42,837 posts)

19. The Nixon case suggests that communications relating to military or diplomatic matters

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:17 PM

Jan 2019

are entitled to a very high level of confidentiality.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,996 posts)

21. That's true; but the court also said the privilege isn't absolute.

Reply to onenote (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:19 PM

Jan 2019

When the circumstances are this fishy it seems to me that a very good argument could be made for piercing the privilege.

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)

12. No executive privilege because they don't involve communications between a president and his staff

Reply to MoonRiver (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:59 PM

Jan 2019

Oh, wait a minute ... That's exactly what they memorialize.

So, yes, Putin could invoke executive privilege.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

22. Touche! I saw what you did!

Reply to EffieBlack (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:47 PM

Jan 2019

RDANGELO

(3,436 posts)

23. Things to keep in mind.

Reply to MoonRiver (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:45 PM

Jan 2019

Putin is a lot smarter than Trump. If I was Finland, I would definitely bug that room. Putin may have figured that too. Trump may have gone into that meeting hoping to have a conversation about what they had over him, but Putin played it straight. Putin also would have been smart enough to know that the info could have been gotten from the translator.

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

24. They need to subpoena all the records from the white house and impeach him already!

Reply to MoonRiver (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:52 PM

Jan 2019

This is insane that tRump is still in the white house. Get it done and do it now!

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