Quite likely won't be my decision to make anyway.

This is what the Dems want? Smaller government. Fewer people in government assisted housing?

but this Democratic Underground. To answer your question Republicans hate big government and will do anything to "drown it in a bathtub". Sound familiar.

And destroying govt is the best way to cut taxes on the rich.

everyone has to pay their fair share of taxes, why should the rich or their greed to feel they should have more $$$$ cripple hardworking Middle class Americans (which they have neutralized). It's sick. Am I understanding your comment correctly?

Check out “Democracy in Chains”: McLean or “Dark Money”: Jane Mayer for more details.

Famous (or infamous) quote.

Does it leave an aftertaste?

Is working. What a wonderful asset Individual 1 is.

Putin got a bargain -- a whole gang of traitors happily destroying US.

I was to start next month. Everything is on hold.

Screw the economics. Native Americans are being denied health care

As I posted in another thread, I think if we came back with $5 billion, he'd say now the price is $10 billion. Then it will go to $20. At some point, he'll start adding other absurd things. He's going to go for it all and then he'll demand to be begged in public for him to re-open the government.

This is the first stages of a dictatorship. Someone needs to do something fast. Really, at this point, only the Republicans can end this. We need a continuing resolution until 1/20/21 to fund the government. Override his veto. And then step back for the mother of all tantrums.

I'm beginning to wonder if McConnell isn't part of this. The Repugs hate federal workers. They want it all privatized. I'm afraid that this is their moment to go for the gusto.

And making them work for free is the ultimate indignity.

Americans will get a taste of what exactly the government does for them. I predict this will go on for a while and seriously sour the public’s quiet acceptance of government shutdowns.

Here in flyover country, the only complaints I've heard are from those that travel by air. Until the stock market dives and the mail stops running, most wont feel an impact. A real shutdown--no USPS, no entitlement checks, no nothing--wouldnt last long. These partial "shutdowns", while painful for a few, arent felt by most people...at least, in the short run.

It'll have to get bad before someone is willing to compromise or roll over. We arent there yet. Not even close.

It's been that way since 1973. If they have excess money they have to turn it over to the treasury, but they pay their own bills.

people to starve, get sicker or die from lack of meds, be evicted, loose their cars, airports and public transport shut down, which will lead to their partners losing their jobs too...and above all? Riot. He needs lots and lots of riots to use those emergency powers he can't justify for the border. THIS is why they elected him.

They know trump is destabilizing the United States of America for putin and trump will attempt a power grab to be like his heros, erdogan, xi, duterte, and now bolsonaro. This is trumps's goal, he's been open about wanting to be president for life, and republicans do nothing.

Total chaos and ruin. If they are going down, might as well take the country with them.

Judges will face a horrific backlog when they get back to work.

many people will have no place to live.

many services will come to a screeching halt.

many fed employees will be very very very pissed off.

I foresee a lot of protests

I know there will be much pain and anger.

ancillary businesses will be greatly effected and that effect will expan almost geometrically as the shutdown draws out.

there are is one person and one person alone I want to kick squarely in the balls.

There should be a march on the White House,
except Trump would say they were his supporters.

Including two prominent military bases, and their outliers - business is basically off by a lot. Fortunately, local contractors pick up the slack, so the company will stay open.

This is going to "trickle down" in a way sTrump cannot conceive of. All the way to his "base", which is a LOT of the customers my spouse has. It's already started. It's gone from apathy to hatred in some cases.

Willing to lose everything in order to "stick it to teh libs"

What there are of them have a hard time getting vocal, as they mostly live in shacks off the road system.

To send a message that this shutdown is garbage and the garbage is piling up.

There will be tons of Howard Beale out there screaming, "I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore."

This trickles down to state and local governments. If this goes into February, things will take a turn for the worse.

workers into a corner.....quit and find a new job or starve. The workers won't be replaced and you have a "small government". Just what the Republicans always wanted.

will eventually have to cave because they care about people, and workers, and the operation of the government, and Trump (and much of the GOP) simply does not.

However, even if we do 'cave' he'll just pull this same shit again for the next thing he wants. As long as McTurtle (and the Corporate Media at large) is going to act like a fucking lapdog, there's nothing anyone can do.

Social workers are already sending warning letters to people in subsidized housing to be ready for increased crime and take preventative measures. We are are going to see more robberies, muggings, shoplifting etc. I think Pivens was right about all welfare being a form of social control. Without food and housing the poor will have no other options and it will be a huge disaster with the cost born by the states. The whole thing is playing out like a dystopian novel. Of course, the wealthy will be fine in their gated or exclusive communities, but the rest of us will pay the price and have to be looking over our shoulder at every bus stop or street corner. Already the housing situation is tenuous and it will get worse as a lot of the subsidized housing will be torn down or redeveloped.