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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy it will end the same as Watergate.
...Nixon said, "I am not a crook" but he was. Trump said, "I never worked for Russia " but it looks like he did. Trump is arrogant in the same way that Nixon was. Trump is totally embolden to do whatever he wants to do. After all, there are several important facts about Trump. Even though he had been accused of being a liar over and over, even though he had to declare bankruptcy a number of times, even though his reputation for honesty and being fair as an employer was totally absent and destroyed, Donald Trump was elected and is now President of the United States.
...Donald got away with it and thinks he can do it again. I can't imagine what that thinking is like. Getting away with so much "crap" and still being elected to the most important electable office in the world...
...Here is the bottom line, Mueller is not some second rate prosecutor. He is the best with a lifetime of experience. His team is also the best. I think his attitude is one of, "We will get the crooks." "Whoever and wherever they did wrong, we will get them. Is there proof? Yes, Mueller has already gotten a good number of crooks who were deeply involved with this "crap." Some have admitted guilt, and will go to prison. Some, were very close to and involved with Donald Trump. They know all about Donald Trump and his "crap."
...That "arrogance" is the key. When you are that arrogant, you do things and you are sure you can get away with them. So, if Nixon erased evidence that was going to go to a committee that was investigating him, (no proof that Nixon did it) what is to keep Trump from covering up content of meetings with Mr. Putin? If you are sure that you can do "anything, and get away with it" you will do anything and be sure you can get away with it.
,,,Mueller has dealt with people who thought they could get away with "anything" before, and got them. By "got them" I mean captured them, indicted them, convicted them, and sent them to prison. I don't know, but I can guess that it gives him some satisfaction to get the worst crooks, and put them away for a long time. And these that he "got" were major crooks: top of the line crooks. And it is my strongest belief, that Mr. Mueller will get Mr. Trump too. Mueller is the best, and he and his team will get Mr. Trump.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)His brain tells him he is the smartest guy in the room, which all of us know is false, but he doesn't.
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)Why would Pootie do that? Maybe if he owns Pence too.
Just sayin'
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Stuart G
(38,458 posts)I think when it gets to the bottom of the sewer, (and I believe we are getting there, slowly) then at the bottom he will do what they tell him to do, to survive. That is what I think will happen, but of course, I don't know. Maybe you are correct, and he will never resign and we will get to impeachment. Hopefully, we will all see the end of this show..........
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)He can convince himself that walking away is winning.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,899 posts)And when the indictments are announced, the subpoenas served, not even Trump will be able to hide. Same goes for his elder children too.
Ivanka, Jr., Jared, and Eric are NOT safe.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,232 posts)Contrary to popular belief, Nixon's "I am not a crook" comment was not made in response to the Watergate scandal.
It was actually directly related to allegations that Nixon had been shielding earnings on his tax returns.
Of course, because the far bigger scandal on everyone's mind was Watergate, it was pretty much assumed that he was essentially referring to that scandal as well, but it wasn't explicitly meant as such.
Just a little bit of trivia.
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)He wasn't a wealthy man by today's standards, and he sort of made a big deal about that, too. The Kennedys had lots of money and he didn't, etc. So his tax returns were kept clean and he did release them during his campaign. If he got any funny money under the table, it came from BeBe Rebozo, 'memba him? Nixon made some whopping mistakes as President, but lying on his taxes wasn't one of them.
Siwsan
(26,333 posts)He will likely desperately try to drag this out, trying to find a way to exploit things towards his own interest.
IMHO, our only hope is Congress doing its job and impeaching and then tossing him out on his ass. Then let the rest of the prosecutions begin.
Sneederbunk
(14,319 posts)Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #11)
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dawg day
(7,947 posts)Trump even sounds like Nixon lately.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)This is really something without precedent in American history. We can't look to the past to guide us. Mueller could present an absolutely airtight case and McConnell refuse to even try the impeachment while 40% of the public, including majorities in red states, will think it's just a deep state coup.
Stuart G
(38,458 posts)then, only 20 to 25 percent of the public will stick with Trump. By then, I think evidence will be out there for all to see. Trump's arrogance and lack of concern of consequences is the key. He still thinks he will be protected by someone or something. And he won't be. Since we are not there yet, I sure don't know what will happen. I just hope at some point Mr. Trump faces the consequences of what he has done. (one way or another)
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Despite all of his obvious flaws, Trump has already broken precedent by maintaining a relatively high and consistent approval rating. By rights, he should already be in the low 20s. But he's using the tools of authoritarian populism to maintain his base and control of the GOP. So far, it's working.
StarryNite
(9,476 posts)And with as bad as Nixon was, he actually did do some good. tRump has never done anything good for the country or planet.
"Strong eco-legacy
When most people think of President Richard Nixon, the term "environmentalist" isn't the word that immediately leaps to mind. The 37th president who resigned from office in 1973 after the Watergate scandal, left a surprisingly strong environmental legacy, giving our nation new legislation governing protection of the air, water and wilderness.
His motives may have been purely political (he once said environmentalists wanted to live like "a bunch of damned animals" , but his administration did a lot of good for nature. Here are six great things Richard Nixon did for the environment. (Text: Shea Gunther)"
[link:https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/politics/photos/six-good-things-richard-nixon-did-for-the-environment/strong-eco|
0rganism
(23,994 posts)Nixon, for all his myriad character flaws, believed in the traditions of the presidency and respected the office he held, in his way. he was not obviously compromised by malevolent foreign powers, and viewed American government as a way to achieve something helpful for the people of the nation - e.g., forming the E.P.A. as far as i can tell, he believed he was a president for all Americans, even those who opposed him.
contrast this with Trump, who apparently is compromised by Russian oligarchs and does not believe in presidential traditions, except insofar as they can be used to protect and enrich him personally. he obviously does not consider himself a president for all Americans, nor does he see government as a means to any productive ends. as far as i can tell, he is in the presidency to wreck the nation hard, declare victory, and leave. none of this points to him departing gracefully.