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Democrats already approved the wall (Original Post) TheFarseer Jan 2019 OP
See Snopes... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #2
And another.... Adrahil Jan 2019 #3
If I was in a discussion with someone about it I might say... Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #4
those landowners bdamomma Jan 2019 #5
Yes, as well as Tribal Nations. Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #6
this is sickening bdamomma Jan 2019 #7
Major grief Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #8
Just had to deal with this crap with my cousin. woodsprite Jan 2019 #9
Fencing does not mean Trump's Wall Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #10

Response to TheFarseer (Original post)

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
4. If I was in a discussion with someone about it I might say...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jan 2019

I don't know about what happened 5 years ago, but we know more now and can use technology to secure the border. We have more effective means available to us. The areas trump is talking about are things like the 200 species butterfly sanctuary and Native Tribal lands, rivers and private property. He wants to use eminent domain and take land.

There are many issues.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
6. Yes, as well as Tribal Nations.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:40 AM
Jan 2019

I fear the 200 species butterfly sanctuary may have bulldozed recently in spite of environmentalists working to save it.
If anyone has current info on the butterflies, I would love to know.

woodsprite

(11,941 posts)
9. Just had to deal with this crap with my cousin.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jan 2019

Actually, in 2006, Congress only set aside $1.4 Billion for the job. The whole budget of the Boarder Patrol was just over $3 Billion. The projected cost, including maintenance, was estimated to be $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time." The fence was completed in 2015 per the 2016 GAO report. A 2017 GAO report noted: "In addition to the 654 miles of primary fencing, CBP has also deployed additional layers of pedestrian fencing behind the primary border fencing, including 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing."

By May 2011, DHS reported completing 649 miles of fencing (99.5% of the 652 miles planned). The fencing included a steel fence (varying in height between 18 and 26 feet) dividing the border towns of Nogales, Arizona in the U.S. and Nogales, Sonora in Mexico.

A 2017 GAO report noted: "According to CBP, from fiscal year 2007 through 2015, it spent approximately $2.3 billion to deploy border fencing along the southwest border, and CBP will need to spend a substantial amount to sustain these investments over their lifetimes. CBP did not provide a current life-cycle costs estimate to maintain pedestrian and vehicle fencing, however, in 2009 CBP estimated that maintaining fencing would cost more than $1 billion over 20 years."

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