Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

babylonsister

(171,111 posts)
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:52 AM Jan 2019

Charles P. Pierce: Congress Can't Wait for Mueller. It's Time to Start the Impeachment Process.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25947444/trump-direct-michael-cohen-lie-congress-richard-nixon/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBESQ&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR1VwIkJ2-nAhfYIGkbUlBR5w56WXpkdvlnPH-hrzKcasVcDMrxxEa4P1cA

Congress Can’t Wait for Mueller. It’s Time to Start the Impeachment Process.
Donald Trump is as crooked as Richard Nixon ever was.
image
By Charles P. Pierce
Jan 18, 2019


snip//

There is no reason anymore for the House Judiciary Committee to delay at least opening its own inquiry into whether or not the president* is liable to impeachment. Yoni Appelbaum made the case in compelling fashion in a story in The Atlantic that was released Thursday morning, which makes me wonder what kind of deal Appelbaum cut with the Journalism Fates.

Trump’s actions during his first two years in office clearly meet, and exceed, the criteria to trigger this fail-safe. But the United States has grown wary of impeachment. The history of its application is widely misunderstood, leading Americans to mistake it for a dangerous threat to the constitutional order.


That is precisely backwards. It is absurd to suggest that the Constitution would delineate a mechanism too potent to ever actually be employed. Impeachment, in fact, is a vital protection against the dangers a president like Trump poses. And, crucially, many of its benefits—to the political health of the country, to the stability of the constitutional system—accrue irrespective of its ultimate result. Impeachment is a process, not an outcome, a rule-bound procedure for investigating a president, considering evidence, formulating charges, and deciding whether to continue on to trial.


During the extended Watergate investigations, we had the Senate Watergate Committee, chaired by the late Sam Ervin and, later, the House Judiciary Committee investigation, led by the late John Doar, and both of these went on simultaneously with the probe being conducted by the Watergate Special Prosecution Force. All three of these investigations had different missions. They occasionally rubbed each other the wrong way. They occasionally stepped on each other's toes.

In Not Above The Law, his superb account of his days as the public face of the Watergate Special Force, James Doyle explained how that body's purpose differed from that of the House Judiciary Committee's. Doyle writes that Doar and special-prosecutor Leon Jaworski, who had replaced the fired Archibald Cox, circled each other warily. "John Doar began meeting with Jaworski, but the meetings proved unproductive," Doyle writes. "Jaworski did not want the evidence he had fought for to be squandered in a leaking match between Republican and Democratic members of the House." Nevertheless, the prosecutor's office did its job, and the committee did its job, and the nation was rid of Richard Nixon by the end of the summer of 1974.

In other words, the systems necessarily to decide whether or not to get rid of a president can work in ultimate (if uneasy) harmony, and all of them can accomplish their independent missions. Waiting For Mueller is now an unacceptable and inadequate response from the national legislature. Mueller's job is to see if the president* and his minions should go to jail. The House's job is to determine if the president* should not be the president* anymore. Jaworski sent John Mitchell to prison. John Doar sent Richard Nixon home. Both outcomes were just, even with the Gerry Ford ex machina of the Nixon pardon.

It's time.


Just so we're all on the same page.
14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Charles P. Pierce: Congress Can't Wait for Mueller. It's Time to Start the Impeachment Process. (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2019 OP
You only get one shot to exboyfil Jan 2019 #1
bullshit Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #3
Why it would be best to start the process now? kentuck Jan 2019 #2
+1. Get the hearings started dalton99a Jan 2019 #8
Charlie Pierce speaks for me. Paladin Jan 2019 #4
I agree 100%. There is no reason not to start the process. There is a ton of evidence. shockey80 Jan 2019 #5
K&R ffr Jan 2019 #6
There are plenty of reasons to impeach him already, independent of Mueller's investigation dalton99a Jan 2019 #7
k and r Achilleaze Jan 2019 #9
True! ...nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #10
I'm hungry for it, too. I gotta go with Mueller knowing what he's doing, though. flying_wahini Jan 2019 #11
Didn't he alspo just jeopardize a military operation as well? 2naSalit Jan 2019 #12
Kicking Hekate Jan 2019 #13
DU thread on The Atlantic article that Pierce references Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #14

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
1. You only get one shot to
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jan 2019

figuratively kill the King.

Get all the investigative ammo available if you are going down that road. Don't knee jerk over a Buzzfeed story. What if it is planted? Then you have another Killian memo situation.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
2. Why it would be best to start the process now?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jan 2019

Because the Congress could lay out a lot stuff for the public to digest. Once Mueller comes out with the evidence he has gathered, the Congress would add that to their own investigation and proceed with the impeachment.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
5. I agree 100%. There is no reason not to start the process. There is a ton of evidence.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jan 2019

Trump is a major national security threat, He is destroying lives at this very moment. He is an extremely dangerous narcissist. They should not wait for Mueller to start the process of impeachment.

ffr

(22,681 posts)
6. K&R
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jan 2019

It is time. Far past time. But will a president's accomplices turn on him and do their sworn-to-GOD-Almighty constitutional duties? That's the question.

And when it comes to Republicans. God and the constitution have nothing to do with it. Loyalty to greed does.

flying_wahini

(6,712 posts)
11. I'm hungry for it, too. I gotta go with Mueller knowing what he's doing, though.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:24 PM
Jan 2019

There has to be a good reason for it. Maybe he's waiting for the new AG?
They are supposed to be friends, right?

My stomach churns for all the Trumps being dragged from the White House in cuffs.

2naSalit

(86,968 posts)
12. Didn't he alspo just jeopardize a military operation as well?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

There are several layers to this. AND... I am pretty sure he leaked it to his owner such that the whole operation was in danger from the start. He should not be allowed to have sensitive information anymore since he can't trusted with it.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,572 posts)
14. DU thread on The Atlantic article that Pierce references
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jan 2019

Glad to see Charles' take on this situation; he's a national treasure.

Thanks for posting this, babylonsister! (Something on esquire.com doesn't like my browser, so I wait to see Pierce's columns posted here before going there).

Here's a DU thread on that article in The Atlantic:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211683047

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Charles P. Pierce: Cong...