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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/two-gop-state-governments-invite-trump-deliver-state-union/
Michigans GOP House Speaker Lee Chatfield invited the president to deliver the speech in the House chamber of the state capitol. His invite was even retweeted by Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel.
Because some have chosen to stand in the way of your official duties, we would be honored to host you in our Capitol for this necessary address to our nation, Chatfield said.
Trump was also invited to give the State of Union from North Carolina. Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives Tim Moore said Trump was welcomed to deliver his speech at that North Carolina General Assembly chambers.
I am honored to invite you to speak to the American people in this years State of the Union address from the North Carolina House of Representatives, his statement read.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)ailsagirl
(22,911 posts)Turbineguy
(37,420 posts)is half of the 2nd Amendment
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)He submits SOTU in the form of a letter to Congress and then gives the speech itself in one of those places.
The letter fulfills the constitutional requirement.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)Those GOPers invited him to give his State of the Union address. That's not possible. It's just a speech unless it is given to Congress.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)But to 95% of Americans that speech IS the SOTU.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)That random speech does NOT satisfy the requirement of the Constitution.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)Mine doesn't have it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)
Section 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section3
Trumputin can give any speech anywhere he's invited to do so, but it does not satisfy the Constitution as "the state of the union" unless given to Congress. That information does not have to be in the form of a speech, but it must be given to Congress, and that's both House and Senate, not some random State's legislature.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)And very incorrect. The majority of U.S. presidents never gave what we now call SOTU addresses. Were they violating the Constitution? The Constitution does not say anything about what form the "information" takes or how it is communicated. Every WH sends letters and personnel to Congress every DAY about government activities. So that section is satisfied 365 days a year.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)You apparently did not bother to read what I wrote.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)But I read the Constitution and you have a different edition than mine....
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)1. Do you dispute the quoted Article II, Section 3 as being correct?
1.1. If yes, which part?
2. What part of my statements do you dispute?
For your convenience:
Trumputin can give any speech anywhere he's invited to do so, but it does not satisfy the Constitution as "the state of the union" unless given to Congress. That information does not have to be in the form of a speech, but it must be given to Congress, and that's both House and Senate, not some random State's legislature.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)Modern White Houses are constantly giving information about the country to Congress. What we call the SOTU is simply political theater and has been for decades. The Constitution does not require a formal speech or even a formal letter. That section of the Constitution was written to prevent the Executive branch from completely cutting itself off from Congress. Nobody does that. If you want to interpret it totally different than everyone else in politics so be it and have fun. Have a nice evening.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,574 posts)Which part of "That information does not have to be in the form of a speech" did you fail to understand?
You really should read before you attempt to refute. This avoids attempting to refute arguments that are only imagined.
It has always been clear that a single, annual State of the Union address is not required by the Constitution. The Constitution clearly states "from time to time" and "give to the Congress information". The modern convention of a speech before a joint session does satisfy the requirements, but is not the only way.
All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.
A speech by the president, in front of some state legislature, does not satisfy the Constitutional requirement for presenting information to the Congress about the state of the union. Therefore, in the OP, those state legislators inviting the president to give his "State of the Union address" before them is an oxymoron -- it cannot be what they wish to label it.
[Edit to add]
Sorry, forgot your closing. Thank you for both the discussion and the wish for a nice evening. May yours be good, too.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,117 posts)constitution. Oh wait...
LisaM
(27,863 posts)NOT.
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)I would give anything to be able to afford to move out of this damn state!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)57% unfavorability
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)Makes me feel some better! I wish we would go blue and STAY BLUE!
MotorCityMan
(1,203 posts)What the HELL?!?! Those congressional bastards tried stripping the incoming dems power, and now they invite the orange shitgibbon here to do his standard stump speech, gussied up as a SOTU? Fuck this shit.....
sinkingfeeling
(51,499 posts)Siwsan
(26,333 posts)Hopefully 2020 will be their extinction.
Brawndo
(535 posts)bdamomma
(63,974 posts)he'll jump on it. WTF.
Everyone loves a Russian ass-et.
Weird who's going to protect his ass?? Shutdown in progress.
LiberalFighter
(51,389 posts)FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)For example the SCOTUS justices, other federal judges, military leaders and Pentagon officials, they should all boycott this. We can't stop Trump's cabinet flunkies from going, I guess
roamer65
(36,748 posts)We will show up to protest...in large numbers.
underpants
(183,043 posts)Seriously this is how a raccoon eats garbage