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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:34 PM Jan 2019

Oh, Michigan and North Carolina...seriously, WTF? No, I mean it...WTF???

Two GOP state governments invite Trump to deliver State of Union



https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/two-gop-state-governments-invite-trump-deliver-state-union/

Michigan’s GOP House Speaker Lee Chatfield invited the president to deliver the speech in the House chamber of the state capitol. His invite was even retweeted by Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel.

“Because some have chosen to stand in the way of your official duties, we would be honored to host you in our Capitol for this necessary address to our nation,” Chatfield said.

Trump was also invited to give the State of Union from North Carolina. Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives Tim Moore said Trump was welcomed to deliver his speech at that North Carolina General Assembly chambers.

“I am honored to invite you to speak to the American people in this year’s State of the Union address from the North Carolina House of Representatives,” his statement read.
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Oh, Michigan and North Carolina...seriously, WTF? No, I mean it...WTF??? (Original Post) Miles Archer Jan 2019 OP
Constitution requires it be delivered to Congress Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #1
as if they really care about constitution AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #4
Apparently the United States Constitution doesn't matter one whit to them ailsagirl Jan 2019 #6
Their only knowledge of the Constitution Turbineguy Jan 2019 #26
That's easy to get around Jake Stern Jan 2019 #9
he can give a speech anywhere Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #16
To those of us in the know it's just a speech Jake Stern Jan 2019 #18
then they should read the Constitution Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #20
May you can quote that section (of your edition) former9thward Jan 2019 #14
Article II, Section 3 Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #19
A novel interpretation of that section. former9thward Jan 2019 #21
read again Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #22
Oh, I read it. former9thward Jan 2019 #24
then you misunderstand Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #25
He (and every other WH in modern times) gives a SOTU every day. former9thward Jan 2019 #28
you prove my point -- you failed to read what I wrote Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #29
Don't you just love it when idiot repugs do no understand the Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #2
I'm sure the Democratic governors of those states are thrilled... LisaM Jan 2019 #3
Fucking HELL! DemKittyNC Jan 2019 #5
One good thing, Trump's poll numbers are sinking fast in NC. octoberlib Jan 2019 #15
Thanks :) DemKittyNC Jan 2019 #17
DemKittyNC, I'm having the some thoughts about Michigan MotorCityMan Jan 2019 #30
SOTU is to Congress. Everything else is a political rally. sinkingfeeling Jan 2019 #7
Sputtering political dinosaurs desperately struggling to remain relevant Siwsan Jan 2019 #8
Go ahead, just don't televise it nationally. Brawndo Jan 2019 #10
Red states bdamomma Jan 2019 #11
They think they are on par with the House chamber? LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #12
There will be no Democrats attending, and other dignitaries shouldn't go either FakeNoose Jan 2019 #13
Sure, come here Dump. roamer65 Jan 2019 #23
Drop by Flint and have a drink of water underpants Jan 2019 #27

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
9. That's easy to get around
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jan 2019

He submits SOTU in the form of a letter to Congress and then gives the speech itself in one of those places.

The letter fulfills the constitutional requirement.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
16. he can give a speech anywhere
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jan 2019

Those GOPers invited him to give his State of the Union address. That's not possible. It's just a speech unless it is given to Congress.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
20. then they should read the Constitution
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jan 2019

That random speech does NOT satisfy the requirement of the Constitution.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
19. Article II, Section 3
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:37 PM
Jan 2019

Section 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section3


Trumputin can give any speech anywhere he's invited to do so, but it does not satisfy the Constitution as "the state of the union" unless given to Congress. That information does not have to be in the form of a speech, but it must be given to Congress, and that's both House and Senate, not some random State's legislature.

former9thward

(32,165 posts)
21. A novel interpretation of that section.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jan 2019

And very incorrect. The majority of U.S. presidents never gave what we now call SOTU addresses. Were they violating the Constitution? The Constitution does not say anything about what form the "information" takes or how it is communicated. Every WH sends letters and personnel to Congress every DAY about government activities. So that section is satisfied 365 days a year.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
25. then you misunderstand
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:55 PM
Jan 2019

1. Do you dispute the quoted Article II, Section 3 as being correct?
1.1. If yes, which part?

2. What part of my statements do you dispute?
For your convenience:

Trumputin can give any speech anywhere he's invited to do so, but it does not satisfy the Constitution as "the state of the union" unless given to Congress. That information does not have to be in the form of a speech, but it must be given to Congress, and that's both House and Senate, not some random State's legislature.


former9thward

(32,165 posts)
28. He (and every other WH in modern times) gives a SOTU every day.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jan 2019

Modern White Houses are constantly giving information about the country to Congress. What we call the SOTU is simply political theater and has been for decades. The Constitution does not require a formal speech or even a formal letter. That section of the Constitution was written to prevent the Executive branch from completely cutting itself off from Congress. Nobody does that. If you want to interpret it totally different than everyone else in politics so be it and have fun. Have a nice evening.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
29. you prove my point -- you failed to read what I wrote
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jan 2019

Which part of "That information does not have to be in the form of a speech" did you fail to understand?

You really should read before you attempt to refute. This avoids attempting to refute arguments that are only imagined.

It has always been clear that a single, annual State of the Union address is not required by the Constitution. The Constitution clearly states "from time to time" and "give to the Congress information". The modern convention of a speech before a joint session does satisfy the requirements, but is not the only way.

All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.

A speech by the president, in front of some state legislature, does not satisfy the Constitutional requirement for presenting information to the Congress about the state of the union. Therefore, in the OP, those state legislators inviting the president to give his "State of the Union address" before them is an oxymoron -- it cannot be what they wish to label it.


[Edit to add]
Sorry, forgot your closing. Thank you for both the discussion and the wish for a nice evening. May yours be good, too.

MotorCityMan

(1,203 posts)
30. DemKittyNC, I'm having the some thoughts about Michigan
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:20 PM
Jan 2019

What the HELL?!?! Those congressional bastards tried stripping the incoming dems power, and now they invite the orange shitgibbon here to do his standard stump speech, gussied up as a SOTU? Fuck this shit.....

Siwsan

(26,333 posts)
8. Sputtering political dinosaurs desperately struggling to remain relevant
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jan 2019

Hopefully 2020 will be their extinction.

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
11. Red states
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:14 PM
Jan 2019

he'll jump on it. WTF.

Everyone loves a Russian ass-et.

Weird who's going to protect his ass?? Shutdown in progress.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
13. There will be no Democrats attending, and other dignitaries shouldn't go either
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jan 2019

For example the SCOTUS justices, other federal judges, military leaders and Pentagon officials, they should all boycott this. We can't stop Trump's cabinet flunkies from going, I guess


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