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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat if the EU recognized Hillary Clinton as the elected President?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)HHHHHHHMMMMMMMM!!!!! Good idea!
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Why would that be bad?
DFW
(54,506 posts)Trust Trump to be crazy enough to break off diplomatic relations with every country in Europe except Hungary, Poland and Liechtenstein (gotta leave ONE tax haven open for his pals).
malaise
(269,292 posts)DFW
(54,506 posts)Not that Trump would know the difference, mind you......
malaise
(269,292 posts)DFW
(54,506 posts)After all, the last half of the 20th century was spent living, visiting, trading with and accepting the presence of a huge neighbor whose leader had said just 50 years ago, "we will bury you."
They can do the same with the USA. Visit, take the money when we visit, listen to our music, watch our movies, sell us cars, have friends and/or relatives there--and yet at the same time consider us (in our present form) a clear and present danger to their economies, their defense position and their environment.
Europeans are used to this because the history of Europe of the last thousand years is like an amba, always changing, never the same form as it was a few decades ago. What's different is that since the election of 2000, our image as the rock of democratic stability has been lost. They had hopes that Cheneybush was a glitch, and that Hillary Clinton would carry on the common sense presidency, even if Congress had been Citizens-United into a cesspool. But with 2016, they see that it was Obama's common-sense presidency that was the glitch, and that we are suddenly incapable of putting our best man/woman forward, even when the choice is so obvious, any child can see what to avoid.
If we don't manage to put things back on track in 2020, there will be some serious writing off of the USA as a reliable partner, both in trade and in Geopolitics. Yes, there will still be the German engineering grad student doing his doctorate at Stanford or the French medical prodigy doing ground-breaking cancer research at Emory, but those will be exceptions that do not break the rule. As one in the thick of it over here, I would dearly love to see us avoid that.
malaise
(269,292 posts)We'd better put things back on track. The thing is that many many people will have to go to prison so that people understand what will not be tolerated ever again.
I still can't process what's going on and yet my training tells me that our generation has enjoyed more democracy than most of humanity.
DFW
(54,506 posts)Closing our eyes when it is threatened by mortal peril is even more dangerous.
malaise
(269,292 posts)Democracy has been rare on this planet
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)However, maybe they could recognize Pelosi as our only true representative. Anyone who has an R in front of their name should be seen as compromised by Russia. There are ways they could deal with our current state of affairs that would certainly send a message.
malaise
(269,292 posts)Lock them up too
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)malaise
(269,292 posts)since your government just recognized their opposition as the government