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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow did such an ignorant/stupid person get to be president?
Easy answer. There are millions of ignorant/stupid voters that can easily be conned by ignorant/stupid candidates.
The Republican Party has been selling snake oil for decades. This time around, the product they sold as president was pure poison. Yet, their voters gobbled it up.
And here we are. Totally fucked by a minority of morons.
Javaman
(62,540 posts)bdamomma
(63,974 posts)mark, and a thug just like the Russian mafia. So Russia threw a few compliments to tRump and he sold out the USA. It is really disgusting I just hope people will start catching on, but then again there are those who are complete denial.
But tRump has always been a con artist, and still continues to be. He needs to go so does, McConnell, Miller, Mulvaney, Mnuchin and those who were involved in this need to be thrown out. They are not Americans. Also they are killing our environment, oceans, animals what kind of monsters are these.
Cyrano
(15,076 posts)They are doing everything possible to destroy what the rest of us call civilization.
And they are doing their best to destroy what the rest of the world calls the environment.
Regarding the environment, one or two more Republican presidents will probably end it all. What do I mean by "all?' What I mean is a planet on which life can exist, survive, thrive. And I don't mean just human life. I mean life every life form that exists on Earth.
did you mean "can't" in your first sentence.
JustAnotherGen
(32,047 posts)I known a lot of people blame the MF45 - but I blame the people who voted for that thing.
lpbk2713
(42,775 posts)That speaks volumes.
LeftInTX
(25,813 posts)The Republican voters wanted Trump
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)failed disastrously at delivering democracy. Time to dump it.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,629 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)The biggest factors of all.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)All of them combined. The misogyny and racism are key though. There were a lot of votes cast out of pure hatred, and he retains those voters because of pure hatred as well.
Wounded Bear
(58,793 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)when you listen to them talk, you think: what a stupid, ignorant thing to say.
Also, because Russia.
JI7
(89,289 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)truly works on the lowest common denominator.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Right-wing-populism=Racism, misogyny, building walls, jailing your political opponents
Left-wing-populism=Increasing the minimum wage, providing health care for everyone, providing affordable education for everyone.
Cyrano
(15,076 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Historical populism is one of the least understood things. Few that espouse it, historically, have ever done a thing of what you state.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Like Bernie Sanders and AOC. They are branded as populists for supporting popular ideas.
Historically, left-wing populism was labor related and race related. Anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Chinese, when those groups were immigrating in large numbers to the US and being used as strike-breakers.
I frankly haven't seen a left-wing politician embrace anything like that in the last 50 years.
So when you talk about populism, it's ancient history to the left-wing and quite active on the right.
klook
(12,174 posts)Response to Cyrano (Original post)
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UpInArms
(51,295 posts)Where people are taught to vote people off a show ..
What kind of shit is that?
Where only if you like someone ... not based on anything real
Might as well have someone whose big talent is balancing a wine glass on their arse ...
😔
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have never understood the appeal of shows like Survivor and Big Brother. To me, the celebrate the worse elements of human nature. I sort of like a more skill and reasoning based reality show like The Amazing Race, except for the "detour" aspect of it - which I view as corrupt.
bdamomma
(63,974 posts)has been dumb ed down for many years. I remember this one report how someone like a reporter asked a voter: why they voted for Trump, the person replied watching him on TV was like they knew him. WTF.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)The main difference is that most of them are less wealthy than he is.
Itchinjim
(3,085 posts)He's one of them.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Democratic Voters sat on their collective hands and did not bother tin to vote in off year elections of 2010 and 2014.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)as someone who volunteered. 2010 was the killer for our Party. Lived in a almost all White State controlled by one dominate Religion and the Race card was played big time. It worked to suppress the vote,people became complacent and turned off.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I truly hope people have learned to NEVER sit out a decade election. Imagine where we would be if our voters had backed up 2008 and 2012 with full participation in 2010 and 2014.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)was used by the Rethug PR machine in 2010 and again in 2014 as a suppression tool.
Listen to the Media,and my observation will be born out.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have no concerns about telling people that to their faces. We need to stop running away from it and explain to other people who we are and what we stand for. The largest town in my red county does a lot of what could be called left wing activities, but votes mostly republican. When I talk to some of those people, I can see the wheels spinning in their heads as they try to convince themselves that they don't love left wing policies. Revenue sharing, which a lot of the South depend on (except the major cities like Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, all left) is a left wing policy built around the concept of the fortunate helping the less fortunate.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)leftest my whole life. What I should have said or used a example of how the Local Media at the time was referring to,was their use of McCarthy type of phrasing and false narratives.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The right yell and scream about media coverage of them. We say almost nothing. Who do you think the media will end up afraid of? Our side must start calling the media out on the spot, in real time.
jalan48
(13,916 posts)during the primaries when his campaign was trying to get a foothold. His well known history as a corrupt businessman was ignored as well as his over-the-top sexist behavior at the beauty pageants he worked at. Can you imagine a Democratic contender getting a pass if his wife had appeared half-naked in photo shoots? Michelle Obama was chastised for simply wearing a sleeveless dress.
kairos12
(12,906 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)About 15-20% of Americans are racists or just full of hate for people not like them or their neighbors. Another 5% think ONLY
about their pockets and not about society. Another 2-3% can't support anything but their perfect idea of a candidate. Another 30% simply don't give enough of a shit to vote.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)They wanted the Harding - Coolidge - Hoover republicans over FDR.
doc03
(35,454 posts)He won buy 42 points in WV.
Cyrano
(15,076 posts)Sorry about the sarcasm. These are people who bought the new coal mine shit he was selling and got fucked.
They are among the some of saddest victims of his "presidency."
Hard to feel sorry for them. But people shouldn't starve because of their own ignorance.
LeftInTX
(25,813 posts)They also have very low voter turnout.
There was a segment on NPR about W Virginia. People complained, "Nobody represents us, so we don't vote".
delisen
(6,050 posts)and are ripe to be conned again and again.
moondust
(20,028 posts)And a rigged election system.
LisaM
(27,863 posts)I'm still arguing with people who think Gore was a bad candidate and that Nader didn't cost him the election. Well, move the dial up 18 years, and a Gore presidency in 2000 starts to look pretty good in hindsight.
I am so flipping sick of people who demand to be "inspired" by a candidate. How about if we remain inspired by ideals and what's been a pretty progressive Democratic party platform for decades, and focus on wisdom, experience, and qualifications for our candidates?
I'd pretty much take the America we'd have had under Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. I'd be proud of that America. I'm proud of those candidates. At some level, you just have to blame the voters.
bdamomma
(63,974 posts)different if those you mentioned Gore,Kerry and Hillary we given their place in US history. Plus if Mr. Gore got in our climate wouldn't be in the condition it is now.
LisaM
(27,863 posts)We had about the greenest candidate ever! Ever! And bad cess to the so-called "Green" party for running anyone against him.
For that matter, Kerry's environmental creds were strong. I went to hear him speak in 2004 in Seattle, and he was on environmental issues affecting the state like a laser. Of course, the substance of his speech was not even reported locally, much less nationally. Local news made a big to-do that he took his wife to a fancy restaurant for their anniversary.
Washington went for Kerry, but I still think any headline like "Kerry Makes Passionate Speech Committing to the Environment" would have been good reporting, true, and been something for people to find when researching his positions. Because it was a passionate speech, a barn burner, really, and it was well received, and it sank like a lead balloon as far as media coverage. Maybe he should have worn a red hat and thought up puerile nicknames for Bush.
clementine613
(561 posts)... for the safety of the country.
Stuart G
(38,458 posts)bdamomma
(63,974 posts)found this article: from 2017
https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/mitch-mcconnell-caught-millions-russian-oligarch/4178/
Snip of article:
If youre wondering why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has continued to stand by a sinking Donald Trump even as the rest of the Republican Senate has increasingly begun trying to distance itself from Trump over the past weeks, the explanation may be simple: follow the money. The Dallas Morning News is now confirming a story which Palmer Report reported back in May, which involves Mitch McConnell and a few other Republicans having been caught taking Russian money.
The Dallas Morning News is reporting today that a Ukrainian-born, pro-Kremlin billionaire has funneled millions of dollars into the hands of Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and a few other top Republicans (link). This is the same story that Palmer Report first brought you back on May 24th (link). Its unclear why the mainstream media has waited until now to jump on the bandwagon, but it does serve to highlight the issue at a time when there appears to be a split within the GOP with regard to the Russia-aligned Donald Trump.
As we reported back in May, Mitch McConnell took $2.5 million from the Russian oligarch in question during the 2016 election cycle even though he wasnt up for reelection. Wisconsins Republican Governor Scott Walker also took $1 million from the same Russian oligarch. Other Republicans received much smaller donations, in negligible amounts which would not have been expected to result in any real influence over them. McConnell is the only member of Congress who received a large enough donation from the oligarch to have translated into real political influence.
eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)The ignorant/stupid voters were *probably* necessary, but someone had to herd those sheep.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)people gave us 8 yrs of bush-Cheney...
ailsagirl
(22,911 posts)walkingman
(7,706 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,990 posts)
Deplorables voted. We need to vote for the nominee as if our lives depended on the nominee winning. That means a Hillary, Bernie, Obama, or any of the new ones... your nominee didn't win the primary? You vote as enthusiastically for the winner. It's that easy.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)kick out all the Muslims and Mexicans and put all those uppity Negroes kneeling for the anthem in their place...
And also because he got a HUGE boost from a Kremlin disinformation program and the MSM kept treating him like a TV celebrity instead of giving him the scrutiny they'd give to any conventional candidate...