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Cyrano

(15,076 posts)
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Jan 2019

How did such an ignorant/stupid person get to be president?

Easy answer. There are millions of ignorant/stupid voters that can easily be conned by ignorant/stupid candidates.

The Republican Party has been selling snake oil for decades. This time around, the product they sold as president was pure poison. Yet, their voters gobbled it up.

And here we are. Totally fucked by a minority of morons.

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How did such an ignorant/stupid person get to be president? (Original Post) Cyrano Jan 2019 OP
russia wanted someone easy to manipulate. nt Javaman Jan 2019 #1
He was a very easy bdamomma Jan 2019 #26
Trump brought in the worst of the worst Cyrano Jan 2019 #32
Cyrano bdamomma Jan 2019 #36
Ditto JustAnotherGen Jan 2019 #2
The RNC decided Trump was the best they had. lpbk2713 Jan 2019 #3
The RNC wanted Jeb Bush or Rubio LeftInTX Jan 2019 #42
Twice in 16 years the Electoral College Pantagruel Jan 2019 #4
Stupid voters + Dishonest media + Russian interference + Complicit pukes in congress equals Shitler fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #5
+mysogyny +RACISM! HopeAgain Jan 2019 #14
These reasons plus Hope Again's reasons. smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #23
Don't forget the FBI assist from Comey... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #29
Because he appeals to ignorant and stupid people, which comprise about 1/3 of Americans who, DontBooVote Jan 2019 #6
most didn't need to be conned. most did so over shared bigotry. JI7 Jan 2019 #7
Ignorant and stupid low-information and gullible voters, mostly. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #8
Populist rhetoric, coming from the right or left, WeekiWater Jan 2019 #9
Both sides do it. denverbill Jan 2019 #20
Yes. Exactly. Cyrano Jan 2019 #25
Historically, left wing populism does little of what you state. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #47
Well, the problem is that many left-wing politicians are being branded as populists today. denverbill Jan 2019 #50
Republican voter suppression strategy and tactics have been extremely successful. (nt) klook Jan 2019 #10
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #11
I blame part of it on reality teevee UpInArms Jan 2019 #12
A kindred soul. Blue_true Jan 2019 #21
also peoples' mentality bdamomma Jan 2019 #28
There are millions of ignorant, stupid, racist, xenophobic, authoritarian deplorables just like him The Genealogist Jan 2019 #13
Because ignorant/stupid people voted for him. Itchinjim Jan 2019 #15
Here you go, Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #16
Very good observation. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #22
Watched the hard numbers during both Cycles Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #35
A lot of people on the left sat out that 2010 election. Blue_true Jan 2019 #40
Lets be honest,the left is a term that Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #46
I consider myself to be a person of the left. Blue_true Jan 2019 #54
Always considered myself Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #55
The media are largely cowards, and we let them paint us. Blue_true Jan 2019 #56
He was sold to us by the corporate media. He was given hundreds of minutes of free air time jalan48 Jan 2019 #17
Raygun to Shitler. A natural progression. kairos12 Jan 2019 #18
How? Blue_true Jan 2019 #19
Almost 40% voted to keep the the policies that lead to The Great Depression. Elwood P Dowd Jan 2019 #24
A bunch of ignorant/stupid people voted for him. doc03 Jan 2019 #27
Do you think they're enjoying all their new coal mines? Cyrano Jan 2019 #37
They will vote for him again. LeftInTX Jan 2019 #45
Unfortunately it is not just Republicans who were conned in election 2016. delisen Jan 2019 #30
Bigots 'n Pigs 'n Dodos. moondust Jan 2019 #31
Voters care too much about personality. End of story. LisaM Jan 2019 #33
It would have been very bdamomma Jan 2019 #38
It drives me crazy when people say that Democrats haven't been green enough. LisaM Jan 2019 #48
Sometimes I think that we have to take away the vote from Rethugs... clementine613 Jan 2019 #34
It is simple..The Republican Party put him up, and Mr. Putin put him in as President of the U.S.A. Stuart G Jan 2019 #39
and the repigs got rewarded bdamomma Jan 2019 #49
He had help from cynical/evil people within the GOP. eppur_se_muova Jan 2019 #41
Because so called smart people couldn't support the lesser of 2 evils, same beachbum bob Jan 2019 #43
Russia ailsagirl Jan 2019 #44
There are a lot of Americans that think exactly like him. Sad but true. walkingman Jan 2019 #51
Too many... Mike Nelson Jan 2019 #52
Because he swore he would Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #53

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
26. He was a very easy
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jan 2019

mark, and a thug just like the Russian mafia. So Russia threw a few compliments to tRump and he sold out the USA. It is really disgusting I just hope people will start catching on, but then again there are those who are complete denial.

But tRump has always been a con artist, and still continues to be. He needs to go so does, McConnell, Miller, Mulvaney, Mnuchin and those who were involved in this need to be thrown out. They are not Americans. Also they are killing our environment, oceans, animals what kind of monsters are these.

Cyrano

(15,076 posts)
32. Trump brought in the worst of the worst
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jan 2019

They are doing everything possible to destroy what the rest of us call civilization.

And they are doing their best to destroy what the rest of the world calls the environment.

Regarding the environment, one or two more Republican presidents will probably end it all. What do I mean by "all?' What I mean is a planet on which life can exist, survive, thrive. And I don't mean just human life. I mean life every life form that exists on Earth.

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
36. Cyrano
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jan 2019
What I mean is a planet on which life can exist, survive, thrive. And I don't mean just human life. I mean life every life form that exists on Earth.

did you mean "can't" in your first sentence.
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
4. Twice in 16 years the Electoral College
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jan 2019

failed disastrously at delivering democracy. Time to dump it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. These reasons plus Hope Again's reasons.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jan 2019

All of them combined. The misogyny and racism are key though. There were a lot of votes cast out of pure hatred, and he retains those voters because of pure hatred as well.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
6. Because he appeals to ignorant and stupid people, which comprise about 1/3 of Americans who,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jan 2019

when you listen to them talk, you think: what a stupid, ignorant thing to say.

Also, because Russia.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
20. Both sides do it.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jan 2019

Right-wing-populism=Racism, misogyny, building walls, jailing your political opponents

Left-wing-populism=Increasing the minimum wage, providing health care for everyone, providing affordable education for everyone.


 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
47. Historically, left wing populism does little of what you state.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jan 2019

Historical populism is one of the least understood things. Few that espouse it, historically, have ever done a thing of what you state.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
50. Well, the problem is that many left-wing politicians are being branded as populists today.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jan 2019

Like Bernie Sanders and AOC. They are branded as populists for supporting popular ideas.

Historically, left-wing populism was labor related and race related. Anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Chinese, when those groups were immigrating in large numbers to the US and being used as strike-breakers.

I frankly haven't seen a left-wing politician embrace anything like that in the last 50 years.

So when you talk about populism, it's ancient history to the left-wing and quite active on the right.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

UpInArms

(51,295 posts)
12. I blame part of it on reality teevee
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jan 2019

Where people are taught to “vote” people off a show ..

What kind of shit is that?

Where only if you “like” someone ... not based on anything real

Might as well have someone whose big talent is balancing a wine glass on their arse ...

😔

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. A kindred soul.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

I have never understood the appeal of shows like Survivor and Big Brother. To me, the celebrate the worse elements of human nature. I sort of like a more skill and reasoning based reality show like The Amazing Race, except for the "detour" aspect of it - which I view as corrupt.

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
28. also peoples' mentality
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jan 2019

has been dumb ed down for many years. I remember this one report how someone like a reporter asked a voter: why they voted for Trump, the person replied watching him on TV was like they knew him. WTF.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
13. There are millions of ignorant, stupid, racist, xenophobic, authoritarian deplorables just like him
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jan 2019

The main difference is that most of them are less wealthy than he is.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. Here you go,
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jan 2019

Democratic Voters sat on their collective hands and did not bother tin to vote in off year elections of 2010 and 2014.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
35. Watched the hard numbers during both Cycles
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jan 2019

as someone who volunteered. 2010 was the killer for our Party. Lived in a almost all White State controlled by one dominate Religion and the Race card was played big time. It worked to suppress the vote,people became complacent and turned off.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. A lot of people on the left sat out that 2010 election.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jan 2019

I truly hope people have learned to NEVER sit out a decade election. Imagine where we would be if our voters had backed up 2008 and 2012 with full participation in 2010 and 2014.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
46. Lets be honest,the left is a term that
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jan 2019

was used by the Rethug PR machine in 2010 and again in 2014 as a suppression tool.

Listen to the Media,and my observation will be born out.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
54. I consider myself to be a person of the left.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:56 PM
Jan 2019

I have no concerns about telling people that to their faces. We need to stop running away from it and explain to other people who we are and what we stand for. The largest town in my red county does a lot of what could be called left wing activities, but votes mostly republican. When I talk to some of those people, I can see the wheels spinning in their heads as they try to convince themselves that they don't love left wing policies. Revenue sharing, which a lot of the South depend on (except the major cities like Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, all left) is a left wing policy built around the concept of the fortunate helping the less fortunate.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
55. Always considered myself
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jan 2019

leftest my whole life. What I should have said or used a example of how the Local Media at the time was referring to,was their use of McCarthy type of phrasing and false narratives.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
56. The media are largely cowards, and we let them paint us.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jan 2019

The right yell and scream about media coverage of them. We say almost nothing. Who do you think the media will end up afraid of? Our side must start calling the media out on the spot, in real time.

jalan48

(13,916 posts)
17. He was sold to us by the corporate media. He was given hundreds of minutes of free air time
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jan 2019

during the primaries when his campaign was trying to get a foothold. His well known history as a corrupt businessman was ignored as well as his over-the-top sexist behavior at the beauty pageants he worked at. Can you imagine a Democratic contender getting a pass if his wife had appeared half-naked in photo shoots? Michelle Obama was chastised for simply wearing a sleeveless dress.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. How?
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jan 2019

About 15-20% of Americans are racists or just full of hate for people not like them or their neighbors. Another 5% think ONLY
about their pockets and not about society. Another 2-3% can't support anything but their perfect idea of a candidate. Another 30% simply don't give enough of a shit to vote.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
24. Almost 40% voted to keep the the policies that lead to The Great Depression.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jan 2019

They wanted the Harding - Coolidge - Hoover republicans over FDR.

Cyrano

(15,076 posts)
37. Do you think they're enjoying all their new coal mines?
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jan 2019

Sorry about the sarcasm. These are people who bought the new coal mine shit he was selling and got fucked.

They are among the some of saddest victims of his "presidency."

Hard to feel sorry for them. But people shouldn't starve because of their own ignorance.

LeftInTX

(25,813 posts)
45. They will vote for him again.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jan 2019

They also have very low voter turnout.

There was a segment on NPR about W Virginia. People complained, "Nobody represents us, so we don't vote".

delisen

(6,050 posts)
30. Unfortunately it is not just Republicans who were conned in election 2016.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jan 2019

and are ripe to be conned again and again.

LisaM

(27,863 posts)
33. Voters care too much about personality. End of story.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019

I'm still arguing with people who think Gore was a bad candidate and that Nader didn't cost him the election. Well, move the dial up 18 years, and a Gore presidency in 2000 starts to look pretty good in hindsight.

I am so flipping sick of people who demand to be "inspired" by a candidate. How about if we remain inspired by ideals and what's been a pretty progressive Democratic party platform for decades, and focus on wisdom, experience, and qualifications for our candidates?

I'd pretty much take the America we'd have had under Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. I'd be proud of that America. I'm proud of those candidates. At some level, you just have to blame the voters.

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
38. It would have been very
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jan 2019

different if those you mentioned Gore,Kerry and Hillary we given their place in US history. Plus if Mr. Gore got in our climate wouldn't be in the condition it is now.

LisaM

(27,863 posts)
48. It drives me crazy when people say that Democrats haven't been green enough.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:36 PM
Jan 2019

We had about the greenest candidate ever! Ever! And bad cess to the so-called "Green" party for running anyone against him.

For that matter, Kerry's environmental creds were strong. I went to hear him speak in 2004 in Seattle, and he was on environmental issues affecting the state like a laser. Of course, the substance of his speech was not even reported locally, much less nationally. Local news made a big to-do that he took his wife to a fancy restaurant for their anniversary.

Washington went for Kerry, but I still think any headline like "Kerry Makes Passionate Speech Committing to the Environment" would have been good reporting, true, and been something for people to find when researching his positions. Because it was a passionate speech, a barn burner, really, and it was well received, and it sank like a lead balloon as far as media coverage. Maybe he should have worn a red hat and thought up puerile nicknames for Bush.

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
49. and the repigs got rewarded
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019
with russian money. It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for them.


found this article: from 2017


https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/mitch-mcconnell-caught-millions-russian-oligarch/4178/

Snip of article:

If you’re wondering why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has continued to stand by a sinking Donald Trump even as the rest of the Republican Senate has increasingly begun trying to distance itself from Trump over the past weeks, the explanation may be simple: follow the money. The Dallas Morning News is now confirming a story which Palmer Report reported back in May, which involves Mitch McConnell and a few other Republicans having been caught taking Russian money.



The Dallas Morning News is reporting today that a Ukrainian-born, pro-Kremlin billionaire has funneled millions of dollars into the hands of Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and a few other top Republicans (link). This is the same story that Palmer Report first brought you back on May 24th (link). It’s unclear why the mainstream media has waited until now to jump on the bandwagon, but it does serve to highlight the issue at a time when there appears to be a split within the GOP with regard to the Russia-aligned Donald Trump.



As we reported back in May, Mitch McConnell took $2.5 million from the Russian oligarch in question during the 2016 election cycle – even though he wasn’t up for reelection. Wisconsin’s Republican Governor Scott Walker also took $1 million from the same Russian oligarch. Other Republicans received much smaller donations, in negligible amounts which would not have been expected to result in any real influence over them. McConnell is the only member of Congress who received a large enough donation from the oligarch to have translated into real political influence.

eppur_se_muova

(36,317 posts)
41. He had help from cynical/evil people within the GOP.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jan 2019

The ignorant/stupid voters were *probably* necessary, but someone had to herd those sheep.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
43. Because so called smart people couldn't support the lesser of 2 evils, same
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jan 2019

people gave us 8 yrs of bush-Cheney...

Mike Nelson

(9,990 posts)
52. Too many...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jan 2019

… Deplorables voted. We need to vote for the nominee as if our lives depended on the nominee winning. That means a Hillary, Bernie, Obama, or any of the new ones... your nominee didn't win the primary? You vote as enthusiastically for the winner. It's that easy.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
53. Because he swore he would
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jan 2019

kick out all the Muslims and Mexicans and put all those uppity Negroes kneeling for the anthem in their place...

And also because he got a HUGE boost from a Kremlin disinformation program and the MSM kept treating him like a TV celebrity instead of giving him the scrutiny they'd give to any conventional candidate...

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