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Of course he will.
https://www.axios.com/joe-manchin-vote-trump-plan-government-shutdown-1ada8304-ef1c-4580-97b8-196baafa6748.html
Stef W. Kight
30 mins ago
Joe Manchin will vote for Trump's plan to end shutdown
The big picture: Manchin will also vote for a Democrat-backed clean spending bill, joining at least 3 Republicans Sens. Cory Gardner, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski who have said they will vote for both bills in an effort to end the shutdown. Manchin acknowledged that neither bill is likely to pass the Senate, but said his votes "are a start to finding a way to reopen the [government and getting West Virginians] back to work."
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bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)Sentath
(2,243 posts)..darnit
Cbarwitz
(27 posts)Considering Trump got 68.5% of the vote in West Virginia, Ill choose him over a straight line party (sleazebag) loyalist like McConnell any day.
Separately, it seems like pure self-interest would call for him just changing parties, so points to him for not doing so.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)1. He votes with us more often than not.
2. Remember Joe Lieberman?
3. He and Sherrod Brown are in the same book club.
Well, I dunno about No. 3, but I think the first two check out.
onenote
(42,852 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)He won with almost 70 percent of the vote.
Most Democrats in West Virginia are still fairly conservative. She lost the primary by 40 percent, she would have gotten absolutely destroyed in the general.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Just an objective observation that anyone seen as working with Trump will likely be primaried next election cycle.
onenote
(42,852 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I have a thing that weekend.
JustAnotherGen
(32,046 posts)He wants to end the shut down and he knows neither one has a snowball's chance in hell of passing.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,151 posts)JustAnotherGen
(32,046 posts)would find themselves in hell if they voted for anything other than the Democratic Party Plan. But Booker and Menendez have mandates from the people in a very blue state.
Jose Garcia
(2,612 posts)None of them want the wall. But they all want to be paid for the work they are currently doing, and don't care if the bill funding it includes money for the wall or not.
democrank
(11,115 posts)Its true that he beats me, but he always brings me flowers after.
I believe that if Democratic leadership sent an articulate, down-to-earth, people-oriented Democrat to West Virginia, the voters would listen. It seems foolish to think that West Virginians dont care about health care or their kids education or student loan debt or infrastructure or poverty or Russian influence or decent jobs or rural economic development or child care....on and on.
Why should we automatically accept Joe Manchin continuously kissing Trumps ass? Give him some competition and lets see which way his wind blows.
bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)He won 70-30.
democrank
(11,115 posts)So that means we dont even have to try until Manchin chooses to retire. Perfect. I bet Trump will like that.
Fullduplexxx
(7,880 posts)msongs
(67,502 posts)onenote
(42,852 posts)Romney got 62 percent in 2012.
We know which way the wind blows in West Virginia.
Fullduplexxx
(7,880 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,460 posts)The Republicans still don't have a filibuster proof majority for their bill.
Hugin
(33,222 posts)Celerity
(43,771 posts)Following the logic of some, (as he does represent the Trumpiest of all the 50 states) if he votes to convict he will be signing his own political death warrant. That means all his multiple bad, bad votes siding with the RW were for naught, if one uses the excuse that he had to vote that way to stay elected, an excuse that will, at that point, be rendered null and void.
Manchin and the newly elected Sinema of AZ (her's is based off House votes) have by far the highest Trump scores of all Democrats now in the entire Congress, along with Rep.Henry Cuellar, all 3 voting with Trump over 60% of the time. Gillibrand, by the way has the lowest Trump score of all Senators. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/