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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat are you expecting from Special Counsel Mueller's report? Are you expecting more indictments?
Personally, my exceptions of it are pretty low. I do expect a few more indictments that will include family.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,898 posts)Add in Mike Pence in those indictments. He was put in charge of the Trump Transition Team after a Jared was behind getting Chris Christie off the team for what he did to Kushner's father. Mike Pence KNEW all that was going on from November to January.
TEB
(12,954 posts)irresistable
(989 posts)I think that Whitaker's "announcement" was bullshit, BTW.
manor321
(3,344 posts)With more indictments before then.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Obstruction of justice, witness-intimidation, Yes. But I don't think that they will find something tying Trump personally to the russian hackers.
The only way I see it if Mueller can make a connection from Trump to Trump's russian business-partners to the KRemlin.
Thekaspervote
(32,821 posts)wiggs
(7,820 posts)will get indictments. Those already indicted for lying/obstruction get another round. As serious as lying to feds is, charges involving money laundering, election law, fraud, FARA, and perhaps treason are going to be even more eye popping.
The underlying criminal activity motivating all the lies has been fleshed out by many legal analysts (as much as feasible given what is merely publicly known) and Mueller/DOJ has yet to bring charges on those. There is strategery involved in the indictment roll outs.
There is a MUCH greater chance that there are many more indictments to come than there is that all the lying, secret meetings, 100s of Russian connections, mob involvement, panic in the WH, billions of dollars flowing through money laundering banks, Russia-friendly policies, ashen-faced gang of eight in 2017, secret Russian backchannels, pissed off judges throwing the treason word around, red flag warnings from intelligence agencies around the world, and Mueller's all-star investigation...is just coincidence that looks really really bad but is innocent.
(Might take a while though...Whether or not the indictments/public reports reach all the way to the very top depends on the behind the scenes negotiations with TPTB and how much disruption, chaos, vulnerability, and embarrassment they think the nation can handle. IMHO there's a real chance the ending will be negotiated rather than exposed in whole in the near future. Amputations to save the body. Bunch of people thrown under the bus...other people resigning...pardons...slow rollout, years of charges and reports to soften impact. No one wins, everyone loses including the general public. We've been deliberately poisoned for over 40 years...going to take a while to get the poison out.)
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The indictments will include several prominent GOP members of Congress, and will be serious enough to force resignations. They'll also include some prominent media-moguls responsible for much of the propaganda out there.
I mean if you want to take down Trump, the strategy may be to go after the SOBs doing the heavy-lifting protecting him first. That means politically castrating McConnell and the other Republicans in the Senate, and taking down some of their enablers at FAUX News and elsewhere.
If Mueller pulls this off, the entire Trump criminal enterprise will collapse.
NotASurfer
(2,157 posts)Given what Mueller has on the NRA and how they funneled illegal rubles to those Congressional mis-Representatives and Senate co-conspirators
malaise
(269,295 posts)Yes!
Mr. Ected
(9,675 posts)I honestly do not believe that Robert Mueller would be part of a whitewash. I think he'll bring down prominent executive and legislative branch (and judicial?) politicians, media figureheads (pack your toothbrush, Sean Hannity), state and local level players, as well as former and current business associates. There will be RICO violations, tax evasion charges, obstruction, witness tampering, and a whole lot of espionage.
Will the report be quashed by Trump somehow? Maybe. And maybe Mueller & Co. is ready for that contingency as well.
This is nowhere near finished. I think another couple of years to sort it all out. There will be endless indictments in the meantime, always crafted so as not to incriminate the criminals still left standing until the moment their time in the barrel is announced.
Stinky The Clown
(67,841 posts)I know. He can charge crimes discovered in the course of the investigation. The investigation, however, was quite narrowly about Russian election meddling. While that is clearly subject to interpretation, I am not at all sure Mueller, specifically, will get into the more peripheral crimes.
I really don't know. That's why I am trying to keep my expectations on the low side.
Not arguing with any of the above replies. I think they are all possible. It is, for me, what I think is likely.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Chances are good that they're covering for Trump & co. right now, which could be obstruction of justice, among other crimes.
And like I said, for someone like Mueller who has experience taking down criminal conspiracies piece by piece, it may be strategic to take down those protecting Trump first before going after Trump himself.
Think of what would happen if Mitch McConnell got indicted...
maxsolomon
(33,461 posts)That his campaign was smart enough not to tell him directly about their activities with Rusher.
It will come out that he said, several times, probably, "just take care of it; I don't want to know".
That's how Mob Bosses work. That's how he handled Daniels et al.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, I'm not sure he'll break justice department protocol to not indict a sitting president.
I remember the Trump transition team being stunned that they had to immediately turn over all their emails and phones to Mueller because they had signed away their privacy when they boarded the Trump transition train wreck.
I'm guessing that has a treasure trove of incriminating evidence and Mueller is just being methodical and thorough in his process because these sorts of crimes are lot more difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
DavidDvorkin
(19,510 posts)I'm wishing for a supernova that will reduce the Trump administration and the GOP to atoms. Or smaller.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I expect no one from the trump campaign will be convicted of anything related to collusion with Russia. Im not sure if theyll even attempt to bring charges for it.