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brooklynite

(95,036 posts)
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:43 AM Jan 2019

The case for Democrats winning the industrial Midwest

Politico:

As potential presidential candidate Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) gets ready to tour four early-primary states this week, one of the leading voices trying to convince him to run hopes he’ll get into the race right away.

“We want him to make a decision soon,” said Nan Whaley, the democratic mayor of Dayton, Ohio, and the co-chair of a committee called Draft Sherrod Brown. “We recognize that he needs to take this time, so we’re trying to get the message out while he’s doing his process personally and publicly.”

Brown will visit Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina as he tests whether the “Dignity of Work” campaign message that helped him win re-election to the Senate in 2018 will resonate with democratic voters eager to unseat Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

“I think it’s the message that should be central to the Democratic Party for 2020,” Whaley told the Women Rule podcast. “As a party, we have got to figure out a way to win the industrial Midwest. And there’s a lot of discussion about Ohio, whether or not it’s a red state or not. I don’t think it is, but I think we have to have a candidate that will be able to talk to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, those communities and those states, and they’re very similar to Ohio.”
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LBM20

(1,580 posts)
1. Brown would be an awesome candidate. He brings traditional progressives and working class populists
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jan 2019

together. Very likeable. We must win in the midwest.

pamdb

(1,333 posts)
2. Brown
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jan 2019

I would love to see a Brown/Harris ticket but if he does win, that opens up his Senate seat and since the governor of Ohio is a republican, he can appoint a republican (which of course he would) and we would lose a democratic senate seat. It's not the same with Kamala Harris since the governor of CA is a dem.

Bradshaw3

(7,554 posts)
3. Brown would be the repubs' worst nightmare
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jan 2019

Everyone knows, or should know, that the Dems have to take back PA, WI, and Mi and that if they do they will win in 2020. Brown would be the best nominee to do that, with Warren a close second.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. 2016 was a fluke.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

PA and MI were blue for 6 straight presidential elections prior to 2016, and WI for 7 straight.

The FBI, Russia and the media gave Trump a huge boost. Clinton hate had been fomented for 25 years and Trump was the "change" candidate.

I'm optimistic that we'll take back PA, MI and WI. We don't have to win OH or IA.

Lastly, we can't afford to lose a Senate seat. Brown needs to stay right where he is.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. The cost outweighs the potential benefit.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jan 2019

Turnout for Harris would be record-breaking. She makes winning North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and other reddish-purple states possible.

And we don't have to worry about losing her Senate seat.

I don't think Brown would win the nomination anyway.

Demsrule86

(68,861 posts)
11. I don't agree that she can take all those states...neither Gillum nor Abrams won statewide. And she
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jan 2019

could lose rustbelt states which is how Trump won in the first place...I see her a a strong VP candidate.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Look at how well we did in those states in a mid-term election.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:51 PM
Jan 2019

We have the governorships in MI and WI. We came damn close in FL and GA. We won legislative seats in GA, TX, FL, etc.

And Democrats always turn out in much greater numbers in presidential elections.

Clinton, again, had been the target of attacks for a quarter century. And Trump was new, different...that luster has worn off, to put it mildly.

Harris can give us 2008 numbers and then some.

Demsrule86

(68,861 posts)
13. I don't have confidence that she can win the rustbelt.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jan 2019

She should be a VP pick in my opinion. I will vote for whoever is the nominee but we better be careful to consider who can get elected in a general or we could face four more years of Trump.
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Demsrule86

(68,861 posts)
14. We have to consider where the turnout comes from...Hillary Clinton won the popular vote
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jan 2019

but still lost in the electoral college. Can Sen. Harris get turnout in the rustbelt where Trump eked out a victory. Can she win Ohio? We need a candidate who can appeal to both liberal and rustbelt states. We took the house by getting moderate Republicans to vote for us in various states. Can she turn out these voters? I am not sure. I adore Harris and think she would be a wonderful VP choice.

Demsrule86

(68,861 posts)
10. We can't afford to lose the presidency....so I think either Biden or Brown needs to be
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jan 2019

at the top of the ticket. I want a woman president so bad I can taste it but I fear a woman can't win in 20. My future son in law...a young Black man has told me that there were more than a few Black men who refused to vote for Hillary because she was a woman. He says that hasn't changed. He did vote for Hillary. I fear there may be more anti-woman voters of all colors and we desperately need to win in 20...to stop more SCOTUS and other judge picks.

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