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sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:17 PM Feb 2019

Most of you have no idea what Martin Luther King actually did

by Hamden Rice





What most people who reference Dr. King seem not to know is how Dr. King actually changed the subjective experience of life in the United States for African Americans. And yeah, I said for African Americans, not for Americans, because his main impact was his effect on the lives of African Americans, not on Americans in general. His main impact was not to make white people nicer or fairer. That's why some of us who are African Americans get a bit possessive about his legacy. Dr. Martin Luther King's legacy, despite what our civil religion tells us, is not color blind.

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My father told me with a sort of cold fury, "Dr. King ended the terror of living in the south."

Please let this sink in and and take my word and the word of my late father on this. If you are a white person who has always lived in the U.S. and never under a brutal dictatorship, you probably don't know what my father was talking about.

But this is what the great Dr. Martin Luther King accomplished. Not that he marched, nor that he gave speeches.

He ended the terror of living as a black person, especially in the south.





Read More:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/08/29/1011562/-Most-of-you-have-no-idea-what-Martin-Luther-King-actually-did

We keep being told it is about the economy. It is not. It is about Black Lives Matter. It is about the beatings and the lynchings. Trials for 'Reckless Eyeballing'

They made black people experience the worst of the worst, collectively, that white people could dish out, and discover that it wasn't that bad. They taught black people how to take a beating—from the southern cops, from police dogs, from fire department hoses. They actually coached young people how to crouch, cover their heads with their arms and take the beating. They taught people how to go to jail, which terrified most decent people.


Black History Month 2019
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Most of you have no idea what Martin Luther King actually did (Original Post) sheshe2 Feb 2019 OP
K&R mcar Feb 2019 #1
He ended the terror of living as a black person, especially in the south. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #2
Did you read the whole essay? All of it? Doesn't sound ludicrous to me. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #3
Honestly i did not. i find it ludicrous on its face. i will. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #5
Please explain how it is ludicrous. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #12
i did. the word should be "eased," not "ended". It's anecdotal at best. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #15
No clue what you are talking about. nt sheshe2 Feb 2019 #16
I'm not surprised. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #17
I have no clue why you feel the need to be so nasty to me. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #19
i regret being nasty to you if you took it that way. but i stand by what i say Kurt V. Feb 2019 #21
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org Kurt V. Feb 2019 #22
I believe that statement means something different in context of the article whopis01 Feb 2019 #32
I disagree that most of (the whitepepo) do not know what MLK was about. Evergreen Emerald Feb 2019 #4
Most isn't all. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #8
It was not even most but that aside his biggest contribution was actually to shake things cstanleytech Feb 2019 #26
K&R for a vitally important perspective. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #6
And even today, we see white people dismissing evocations of that terror as Empowerer Feb 2019 #9
Funny, I just had a post hidden for saying the same thing. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #10
I saw that. I'm sorry. Empowerer Feb 2019 #13
Perfect passage to hi-light, WhiskeyGrinder, sheshe2 Feb 2019 #11
K&R Eko Feb 2019 #7
Hamden Rice is a former DUer who got bounced for being a homophobic bigot Rob H. Feb 2019 #14
thank you Kurt V. Feb 2019 #18
Thanks for the reminder. I knew the name rang a bell. n/t ms liberty Feb 2019 #27
Oh yes Heddi Feb 2019 #29
Yikes. progressoid Feb 2019 #31
Hamden Rice was banned for being a virulent homophobe and a troll. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #33
Ah yes, now I remember. This and the recent resurgence of the banned troll Spandan's Autumn Feb 2019 #34
Thanks for this sheshe2 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #20
Good post - thank you. I tend to believe Hamden is correct. I also believe whites as a general c-rational Feb 2019 #23
That is very interesting. ananda Feb 2019 #24
Wow. Thank you for posting, she! TygrBright Feb 2019 #25
This. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #28
Hamdenrice is a DUer banned for bigotry and homophobia Heddi Feb 2019 #30
K&R ck4829 Feb 2019 #35

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
2. He ended the terror of living as a black person, especially in the south.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:24 PM
Feb 2019

give me a fucking break. mlk did much to advance civil rights and human rights. but to be so bold to make this statement is beyond ludicrous

sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
12. Please explain how it is ludicrous.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:19 PM
Feb 2019

Fact is, as a white woman I have posted this in the AA Group here for years. They did not find it ludicrous. I was a member of that group...sadly they were chased off the board for stating their opinions and outright concern.

And yes, you should read the whole essay.

sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
19. I have no clue why you feel the need to be so nasty to me.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:48 PM
Feb 2019

I posted an essay by a black man. You, first of all disagreed and called it ludicrous. Then admitted you never even read it. Then you come back with eased not ended (the fear)....just that. That is not an answer to the question as to why you find...now that you finally read the whole article, it to be ludicrous. A black mans feelings are ludicrous? Really?

whopis01

(3,534 posts)
32. I believe that statement means something different in context of the article
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 06:23 AM
Feb 2019

Let me preface this by saying the statement “he ended the terror of living as a black person...” by itself does seem absolutely ridiculous. And I believe it is used in the article as hyperbole to an extent.


What the article is claiming is that he ended black people being terrified into inaction.

It is saying that black people learned that standing up together, resisting and pushing back - even if it meant being jailed, taking a beating, or worse - was preferable to passively living in oppression because you were scared of being jailed, taking a beating, or worse.

Kind of like dealing with a bully. They have all the power when everyone is afraid to stand up to them. But once you learn to stand up to them, you take a lot of their power away. It doesn’t mean they can’t hurt or threaten you anymore. But your fear of them is no longer controlling you.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,071 posts)
4. I disagree that most of (the whitepepo) do not know what MLK was about.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:32 PM
Feb 2019

Unless we were living under a rock (or a robe). But, to suggest that most of us did not understand is...inaccurate.

sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
8. Most isn't all.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:53 PM
Feb 2019

I have been posting variations of Hamden Rice's essay for years here, usually during Black History month or the anniversary of his death. My guess is that you never read past the title, a semi long read but full of our countries long sad history. I have in the past posted this in our now silent African American Group. Do you know why that group is now silent? They were run off.

I miss them all. They were a very welcoming group to outsiders like myself, a white woman.

This article was always well received. Not sure what has changed in 2019.

cstanleytech

(26,355 posts)
26. It was not even most but that aside his biggest contribution was actually to shake things
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 10:29 PM
Feb 2019

up and make more people realize that there was a major problem with racism especially in the south and that was a huge accomplishment which paved the way to trying to address it.
The struggle to stop it though continues.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,517 posts)
6. K&R for a vitally important perspective.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:34 PM
Feb 2019
If you are a white person who has always lived in the U.S. and never under a brutal dictatorship, you probably don't know what my father was talking about.


It's that simple. The amount of terror this country has directed at black people, starting 400 years ago, can never be overstated.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
9. And even today, we see white people dismissing evocations of that terror as
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:04 PM
Feb 2019

"college stunts," "no big deal," "not worth destroying someone over," etc.

Rob H.

(5,356 posts)
14. Hamden Rice is a former DUer who got bounced for being a homophobic bigot
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:23 PM
Feb 2019

which was pointed out to you when you posted this same article just under a year ago.

The entire thread containing his posts is here, for those who’d like to satisfy their curiosity.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
34. Ah yes, now I remember. This and the recent resurgence of the banned troll Spandan's
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

writing kind of negates the outrage of the posting of essays from other banned writers.

c-rational

(2,600 posts)
23. Good post - thank you. I tend to believe Hamden is correct. I also believe whites as a general
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 10:07 PM
Feb 2019

fail to fully appreciate how blacks lived a century ago, decades ago or even today.

ananda

(28,904 posts)
24. That is very interesting.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 10:17 PM
Feb 2019

What interests me is that Black people have endured so much
in the way of violence and poverty; and yet they have not lost
their hearts or their humanity the way white people have done.

I have always thought that all white people should interact with
people who are not white on a close, personal level from the time
they are very young ... get to know people, play and intereact
with them, be part of their lives ... There is no way this can happen
and maintain hate and racism ... unless you are born incapable of
empathy and understanding, like maybe a psychopath or something.

For me, MLK embodied this ideal -- of everyone living together in a
peaceful, meaningful way.

So, the fact that segregation existed; and that Black people were
targeted for abuse, lynching, prison, and exploitation did mean that
they would have to learn how to survive, especially in the South.
That MLK helped them to do this is indeed part of his legacy.

TygrBright

(20,780 posts)
25. Wow. Thank you for posting, she!
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 10:19 PM
Feb 2019

I'm old enough to remember some of the tension between younger people who were inspired by MalcolmX and the more activist leaders of the late 60s, and the older people who'd lived through the strikes and the nonviolent resistance actions of the 50s and early 60s.

A colleague who'd been part of SNCC explained to me once that it was inevitable that people who didn't live through it would forget what it had been like. He said something to the effect of "Each generation has to re-invent the struggle in their own terms, but it's still important to learn from those who've gone before.

This jumped out at me:

The jailers knew they had lost when they beat the crap out of these young Negroes and the jailed, beaten young people began to sing joyously, first in one town then in another.


To me, that was the essence of what Dr. King accomplished.

The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot overcome it.

appreciatively,
Bright

sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
28. This.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 10:39 PM
Feb 2019
"Each generation has to re-invent the struggle in their own terms, but it's still important to learn from those who've gone before.


True.

Different focus of the struggles for each generation, yet they should always look to the past for guidance.

Thank you Bright.
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