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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala Harris and Bernie Sanders to Deliver SOTU-Related Statements
Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.), one of the Democrats running to replace President Trump in 2020, announced Tuesday that she would deliver a prebuttal on Facebook Live about an hour before he gives his State of the Union address.
"I'm delivering remarks tonight on Facebook Live ahead of the Presidents State of the Union Address," Harris said on Twitter. "It's critical we speak truth to the American people during this inflection moment in our country's history."
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428517-kamala-harris-to-deliver-address-ahead-of-trumps-state-of-the-union
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will deliver his own response to President Trump's speech to Congress on Tuesday for the third year running.
The senator's office confirmed to The Hill that his response will follow Trump's State of the Union address as well as the Democratic rebuttal and be streamed on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/428430-bernie-sanders-to-deliver-his-own-state-of-the-union-response
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)David__77
(23,627 posts)We shall see!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)David__77
(23,627 posts)...
DownriverDem
(6,236 posts)it makes me wonder why she is doing it. Stacey Abrams is perfectly capable of giving the rebuttal.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)For example, she might repeat what the media fails to repeat and make clear:
In case Trump speaks about the wall and uses it to declare a National emergency, Kamala may want say THERE IS NO EMERGENCY AT THE BORDER:
Most crimes, per capita, are committed by US citizens (including Trump himself).
The wall only provides a payout to the Russian oligarch (crime boss) whom Trump has tapped to provide the steel.
Most immigrants who live here illegally fly into the US and overstay their visa.
Drug dealers send in drugs via sea, tunnels, sling shot, hidden containers.
Building the wall requires the taking of US citizens land via imminent domain
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)He stood up there and lied repeatedly about immigration and the wall.
McKim
(2,412 posts)You can be sure that there will be an army of trolls criticizing any democrat for anything! Dont feed the trolls. I am thrilled that we have so many prominent democrats making comments and having their own media to carry them. Lets have a robust discussion of great ideas!
David__77
(23,627 posts)What policies should be supported? Opposed? That sort of thing!
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Arazi
(6,829 posts)Response to Post removed (Reply #1)
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SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)She is not doing a reponse to Trump's SOTU, she is doing an alternative to it, so she is not stepping on what Abrams is doing, which is a response to Trump's SOTU.
Bernie gets a free pass!
George II
(67,782 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)safeinOhio
(32,754 posts)There you go....
David__77
(23,627 posts)SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)You could call it a pre-rebuttal or just an alternative SOTU.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And that's the name of that tune.
forgotmylogin
(7,540 posts)We should be so fortunate to have newscasts filled with statements from the Democrats opposing Trump.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Instead of the person the Democratic Party chose.
And that's the name of that tune.
forgotmylogin
(7,540 posts)Before, during, and after the SOTU. We should be so lucky to fill up the airwaves rebutting Trump and flooding out the rightwing talking points
You make it sound like the news is "Here is our required two minutes of democratic coverage, and now back to Sarah Sanders..."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)that she is trying to steal Abrams' thunder.
The game is obvious. But hey, it may work. It works for others. But IMO it's not respectful of another Democrat who was chosen to present the Democratic message. So I know who I won't vote for, for the nomination. I'm up to my ears in disrespectful behavior by politicians.
forgotmylogin
(7,540 posts)Are they not allowed to also rebut the President?
Abrams has the point slot and totally deserves it, but that shouldn't preclude anyone from being heard.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)IMO. It's ego. (Note: Bernie isn't a Democrat; he's an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, and registers as a Dem.temporarily when he wants to run for President.)
This has never been done by any respectable politician, that I know of. It's positioning oneself to grab the news. Shows unbelievable ego. You think Obama would've done that? Never. He was confident in himself and would have waited for his own clear chance, and not interfered with the designated party speaker for that night.
But you have a different opinion. We have the right to have different opinions about it.
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)You are not making any sense. Do you truly see no difference between people commenting before Trump's SOTU, like Harris and others are doing, and holding yourself out as providing a response to Trump's SOTU, like Bernie is doing?
Bernie is claiming he is giving the response to Trump's SOTU.
What part of First African American woman giving the Democratic Response do you not understand?
Why can't he let us look like we are unified, speaking with one voice in rebutting Trump tonight, of all nights?
Why does he create the suggestion that Abram's rebuttal will be so inadequate that he must give his own, immediately following hers?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Stacey Abrams is delivering the Democratic response.
David__77
(23,627 posts)....
bigtree
(86,016 posts)...Bernie's last rebuttal to a Trump speech wasn't carried by anyone important, didn't upstage anything as I suggested it might.
This is a big yawn, except, perhaps for Harris fans who want to see what she thinks of the SOTU.
David__77
(23,627 posts)Link to tweet
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Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Sheesh. All the piling on from politicians. Can't we just follow protocol and let the designated response by Abrams go ahead?
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)honest.abe
(8,689 posts)Its the official rebuttal after the SOTU which is better to be one clear consistent voice. Bernie will attempt to disrupt that.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)She must be so full of herself to think her message needs to be put in front of the person invited by the Democratic Party to deal with the SOTU. How are we to be unified if anyone can talk at any time about this stuff!
/s
honest.abe
(8,689 posts)Or maybe just pretending.
David__77
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...That's really hard for some people to accept, though, I guess. Frankly I don't care if she speaks before, after, or during the speech. I just expect equal outrage and so far I'm being let down.
David__77
(23,627 posts)"I'm f**king glad Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders are speaking out!"
even if they disagree, the more sane voices contradicting the liar in chief, the better.
the best policy : concentrate on what sanders, abrams, and harris agree on as points to help unify us against this monster.
David__77
(23,627 posts)...
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)seem almost like a put on, using a cartoonish perception of Democrats instead of what Democrats really are.
QC
(26,371 posts)David__77
(23,627 posts)...
QC
(26,371 posts)Fascinating--and very instructive--story behind him.
QC
(26,371 posts)Insinuated himself into this place by acting like the most democratty democrat that ever democratted and spent all of his time pitting people against each other here. Man, could he stir the shit, and he had quite the fan club here.
And then on election night of 2004, he outed himself as a freeper.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If you love your country and have the audience then its fucking time to speak out against the Mobster president every single time he shows his face or opens his mouth. I call that patriotism.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Harris' statement will be on Facebook. Stacy Abrams' rebuttalthe official Democratic rebuttalwill (presumably) be televised.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)womanofthehills
(8,808 posts)Stop putting down our Dem candidates.
Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)His social media event is after Abrams tv event. Does he use his super powers to go back in time?
Mosby
(16,417 posts)SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)One steals the spotlight from Trump, the other steals the spotlight from Abrams.
David__77
(23,627 posts)Democrats are making a powerful statement without anyone uttering a word at the State of the Union address tonight. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will sit on the dias behind Trump; Stacey Abrams, who narrowly missed becoming Georgias first black woman governor, will deliver the Dems official response. And now White House aspirant Kamala Harris is set to deliver whats being called a prebuttal address live on Facebook before the event.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/feb/05/trump-state-of-the-union-news-live-latest-updates-democrats-sotu?page=with:block-5c59ce12e4b04a6f567d9670#block-5c59ce12e4b04a6f567d9670
IcyPeas
(21,946 posts)to Facebook, YouTube or Twitter to watch any of these? Or will even know they are happening?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)to the SOTU sham over the next several days.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Now I know who NOT to vote for, for the nomination.
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)Harris is in essence doing an alternative SOTU. Abrams is doing the Dem RESPONSE to Trump's SOTU. Harris is not trying to steal Abram's thunder, by claiming it is a response to Trump's SOTU. That is what Sanders is doing. So that must mean you're not voting for Sanders either, eh?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)progressoid
(50,016 posts)She will be rightly be shown exclusively on cable and broadcast giving the official Dem response.
Whereas, he will be speaking after she does and only online. Cable and broadcast outlets will not be covering him.
Link to tweet
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)What part of First African American woman giving the Democratic Response do you not understand?
Why can't he let us look like we are unified, speaking with one voice tonight, of all nights?
Why does he create the suggestion that Abram's rebuttal will be so inadequate that he must give his own, immediately following hers?
progressoid
(50,016 posts)Irrelevant Conclusion
Does this not apply also to Senator Harris?
And does that mean that no other Democrats should be allowed to speak after Abram's rebuttal? Because I'm pretty sure there will be a LOT of Democrats on TV giving their 2 cents worth tonight and tomorrow.
Did you feel the same way last year for Kennedy's rebuttal? Last year we also heard from Elizabeth Guzman, Maxine Waters, Donna Edwards and Sanders.
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)progressoid
(50,016 posts)So this is no longer about stealing thunder or spotlight but gender and race. Got it.
Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)interfering or competing with Abrams giving the Democratic response.
Was there actually some problem with three of our leaders giving great responses to the SOTU? What calamity resulted? Why were people here so determined to create controversy over this?
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)It implied her response was inadequate. And it was tone deaf, considering she is the first African American woman to give the Democratic response.
Couldn't he wait just 12 fucking hours?
There was no "calamity," except to Bernie's campaign. But it was still tone deaf and disrepecful. That is how many African Americans saw it. Stating this fact is not an attempt to create controversy. Bernie created the controversy.
Link to tweet
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-stacey-abrams-state-union-1319571%3famp=1
Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)a 12 hour buffer around it? Not 8? 4 wouldnt do? Perhaps 12 wasnt enough? How do you determine how big a buffer Abrams needed?
She gave a great rebuttal. I still fail to see how Sanders on YouTube after her tv appearance interfered with her speech at all. In fact I think it is patronizing and perhaps racist to argue that Abrams needed protection from Sanders.
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)You don't respect someone because they are "weak" or need "protection." You respect someone because they deserve it, like Abrams does. Abrams deserved the spotlight this evening for the response to Trump.
If you and Bernie can't understand why what he did was racially tone deaf and disrespectful, I can't help you.
Good night.
Voltaire2
(13,259 posts)tv broadcast steal the spotlight from Joe Kennedy last year?
SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)Now granted Bernie did not have much of an actual audience, but the press still reported on him, like they always do. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/06/bernie-sanders-state-of-the-union-response-2019-economy-sot-vpx.cnn
Media space on a topic like SOTU responses is limited. Stories spent reporting on Bernie's response to Trump necessarily takes away from stories on Abram's response to Trump.
So, he stole some of her spotlight, even if a little. That was disrespectful to the first African American woman to give the Democratic response.
And with regard to Joe Kennedy, he was not the first white male to give the Dem response. There was not the same historical context to it, so Bernie stepping on his spotlight did not have the same racial tone deafness aspect and disrespect to it, so it did not receive the same level of criticism. But Bernie's response then still served to steal some of Kennedy's spotlight, however small.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)SunSeeker
(51,798 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Not surprising at all. I've sensed it throughout. During a long campaign you need to know when to accelerate and when to brake. I think Kamala Harris would be too much of a one-gear type
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)womanofthehills
(8,808 posts)In fact, we need more senators to speak out about this horror that is Trump.
David__77
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Rhiannon12866
(206,751 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)consistent for both Senators.
mountain grammy
(26,668 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,023 posts)Kamala Harris before, Stacy Abrams after. This is so perfect!
George II
(67,782 posts)progressoid
(50,016 posts)....wants to steal the spotlight from Stacey Abrams ....
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211772676
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)Kamala Harris may grow into a good candidate eventually. I don't believe she is there as of now. It seems to me like she has presented herself as an Elizabeth Warren wannabe without having the record to back that claim up.
Elizabeth Warren is the real deal and has been for her entire political life.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)They are making decisions toward energizing a base and winning a nomination, while I'm focusing on instincts required in a long general election battle against an incumbent.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and the speeches haven't even begun. I won't be watching anyone but Stacey Abrams.
I like Kamala and could imagine someday voting for her for something. But I'm not looking at ANY candidates this early. I'll let at least a dozen weed out before I start examining those who are becoming potentially viable.
Duppers
(28,132 posts)David__77
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