Not after it..... No equivalence there

Big difference

I think you know that

Old white man trying to steal the thunder from a black woman is just bollocks

some how Sanders "post-buttal" is ?

"Presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris will deliver a speech of her own before President Trump's second State of the Union address on Tuesday.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-to-give-prebuttal-to-trumps-state-of-the-union

"It's critical we speak truth to the American people during this inflection moment in our country's history," the California Democrat tweeted."

Well i don't agree with selective outrage here. Sanders opinion is no less worthy of being aired..

The State of the Union goes on at 9:00 or so Eastern time, then Stacy gets to do the Democratic reply. On the East Coast that won't be until after 10:00, possibly well after ten. All the talking heads will be parsing the SOTU plus the Democratic response. Any speech made after both of those won't get much in the way of immediate attention.

Whereas, depending on the exact timing, an address made before the Democratic response by a rising Presidential candidate might well be what talking heads need as grist for their discussion mill while waiting for the President. She will be first out of the gate. If Kamala aces it, there may well be head to head comparisons made between her and Stacey when she makes her speech later. THAT potentially could steal thunder.

But to be honest I am not concerned about pre and post speeches anyone may want to make. The spotlight will shine on Stacey exactly when it is supposed to.

I honestly feel there's no reason for Senator Sanders or Senator Harris to be making any speeches. It should just be Stacey Abrams.

Because Senator Sanders clearly does.

So just maybe they are in different situations and thus should consider different actions?

If you just go to YouTube and search something simple like "kamala harris black" you'll see a lot of progressive voices in the black community who have serious issues with her. I think she's a phenomenal candidate and I am sure she'll address their concerns as her campaign moves forward.

No candidate is immune to this type of thing. Whoever is our nominee in 2020 needs to work very hard to earn the trust of the African-American community. That includes Bernie and Joe Biden,if they both decide to run. African-American support has been taken for granted for many,many years and they deserve better. Whoever we choose to lead us must make this a priority.

but feel free to take a look at which one of them does better in South Carolina.

I'll give you a free preview, Harris will finish first...Sanders won't even finish second.

Some folks on YouTube don’t negate actual voters. Your response is simply WhataboutHarris to deflect from Sanders documented problems. This gets old and is why the need to keep the stories straight.

But that's OK.

Sanders. Maybe people should start thinking about posting about Harris themselves if they have an issue with this

but you'll never convince others, but don't worry the voters will do that. Especially WOC.

Link to tweet

calling Abrahams a puppet... u wrong

...responding to something that hasn't happened yet.

Bernie is trying to be the liberal voice of the night by speaking after it.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party has assigned the task of the Democratic Voice of the night to Stacy Abrams.

Like Harris and Abrams are not liberal!

Perhaps he wants to be the Independent Voice, or the Socialist Voice, hell, even the Curmudgeon Voice!

But The Democratic Party has the Liberal Voice under control. No help needed.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you are responding to someone else.

While the other 2 were giving the Democratic Response. I think the response Warren and Abrams will give will be every bit as liberal as Bernie’s.

I now understand you did not mean it the way I read it, but I though you were claiming we needed Bernie to give a liberal response.

And I hope you agree that both of the responses by members of the Democratic Party will be liberal.

My apologies if I misread your intention.

Yes, Bernie is not trying to be the Democratic Party response because he's not a member of the Democratic Party.

Abrams is giving the designated Democratic Party response.

Harris is trying to make the news line the next day as the Democratic Party response. Because she is running to be the leader of the Democratic Party.

Link to tweet

respect for a woman who would be my governor if the votes of those who voted or would have voted for her weren't ruthlessly, blatantly repressed and stolen. Or for the symbolism of choosing this person to spearhead our party's response.

But looking at what he has to lose, my best guess is it'll do little harm. Sanders has been trying to develop a relationship with POC groups lately, but my guess is over time he's unlikely to draw more than before for the same reasons. Satisfying what the POC voting bloc requires would mean sacrificing his attempt to develop a substantial white populist following. And since the Republicans are leaking conservative voters, it's hard to imagine he won't try to pick more of their populist types up this time than he managed in 2016.

And that'd be a problem. Populists always include a significant portion who do want progressive programs for themselves but combine that with socially conservative attitudes. And social conservative oil and minority water just don't mix too well, as we saw before rather spectacularly. One might even have suspected that his oil went out of the way to repel the water.

We Liberal Southerns, black and white, of a certain age or education know the perils that a populist can present to marginalized people.

Any time a progressive populist starts trying to downplay the importance of racial justice by saying economic justice will solve it all I get real suspicious. Cause my Dad raised in the 1930s Huey Long Louisiana warned me all about it.

and you make me want to read more about the Huey Long era. With your background you recognized this pattern well before I did back in 2015. I was originally from California and initially more focused on the far left zealots who'd served as my own aversion therapy back in the 1960s. For some time I didn't understand why he didn't make the very reasonable commitments required for support because I didn't realize just how strong the social conservative component of his following was. He couldn't control the fire he was building with them, of course, and it became all too clear.

Has led me to distrust ‘progressive’ populist at least as much if not more than reactionary populist.

from without. Good thing, because there are a whole lot more of them. Sanders' fairly true believers, including leftist zealots, were only about 23-24% of the total who voted for him in the primary, and half of those promptly decamped for Trump.

rebuttal I would think. Bernie won't be stealing anything from her.

or it might be significant. In either case, it's bad form to do that, on a night when the Democratic Party has assigned the Party's voice of the night to Ms. Abrams.

She was his press secretary. Yikes. I watched the segment and she was pissed.

Bernie out. She was a passionate voice for the man. He'd do well to follow her advice, particularly if he wants to enlarge his support among people of color. Women, especially.

I agree, good on her!

I supported Sanders, I enthusiastically supported Hillary, and Democrats competing for office is healthy. But the Bernie-bashing is waaaaay over the top. "Leave Britney Alone" over the top. Sanders isn't even a Democrat, the obsession with him is suspicious.

I think many of us wish we had reacted more to Jill Stein. Spoilers matter. The Democrats need to be together in this critical time. Having spoilers coming in from all directions requires the Dems to bat them back as they come. Not wait until it's too late. One way to bat them back is just to simply call it for what it is. It's not bashing to call a spoiler a spoiler. You might even call it a spoiler alert.

I think many wish they had reacted more to Nader, and sooner, in 2000. Things might have turned out very different.

Bernie Sanders is not a Democratic. Most supporters are offended by anyone mentioning that obvious fact.

Hey, how about you Democrats fight among yourselves so that you won’t be busy talking to others about your platform issues. Keep that circular firing squad together, lest you interest Independents with your campaign issue discussions. Give the Bernie Sanders bashing a rest, please and get busy promoting your favorite candidates and their IDEAS and FRAMES. Watch out for the keeping you busy trolls.

now saying BS shouldn't be doing this.

BS brings it on himself in his own words.

Bernie: 'My Opponents' Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

or she will be out of a job.. it's self preservation, I get it..

I looked around, didn't see her condemnation of Kamala.. so..

herself?