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turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:33 AM Feb 2019

Consumers to pay a hefty price for Trump's rollback of light bulb efficiency standards

Repealing the standards would cost consumers $100 billion and result in half a billion extra tons of air pollution.
JOE ROMM
FEB 12, 2019, 2:39 PM

President Donald Trump wants to roll back efficiency standards for light bulbs, at a cost to consumers of over $100 billion — some $1,000 per household — by 2030.

The Department of Energy (DOE) announced in the Federal Register that it has started a process to undo those standards, despite projections that they will prevent the release of 540 million tons of greenhouse gases and hundreds of thousands of tons of the pollutants that worsen asthma, cardiopulmonary disease, and premature death.

So, in the annals of Trump’s blinkered pursuit of undoing everything President Barack Obama did, no matter how basic or commonsense, this move ranks near the top.

The original DOE lighting standards were part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. They did not ban incandescent light bulbs, but instead encouraged innovation by requiring manufacturers to increase efficiency by 27 percent through 2014. It was a completely non-controversial bill that had bipartisan support, was strongly supported by light bulb manufacturers, and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

But after Obama was elected and Republicans regained control of Congress, GOP leadership immediately went to work to undo the standards, continuing their longstanding opposition to federal energy-saving rules.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-light-bulb-rollback-cost-2b10f0720303/

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Consumers to pay a hefty price for Trump's rollback of light bulb efficiency standards (Original Post) turbinetree Feb 2019 OP
What an endlessly flaming asshole. The guy is so damn stupid and backward, bottom of the class. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2019 #1
I don't think the predicted ill effects will happen. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #2
GE and Sylvania are pretty much done with incandescent lightbulbs FakeNoose Feb 2019 #3
I get the 7-watt night lights. They used to be four-for-a-dollar at Dollar Tree, but now they're mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #4
Yes there are certain specialty bulbs that can't be switched FakeNoose Feb 2019 #5
There are LED bulbs that will fit those appliances now JCMach1 Feb 2019 #19
I have to check in with partner and his quest to change out the last incandescent bulb in the house Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #21
Those are not very high wattage, but can burn out frequently JCMach1 Feb 2019 #23
About 2 years ago, I converted about 95% of my home to LED. The remaining 5% are fluorescent. LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #6
We did the same thing peggysue2 Feb 2019 #7
Pictures enclosed. LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #8
Yes my house is the same age with old plaster ceilings FakeNoose Feb 2019 #10
The recessed cans were already installed in the kitchen. LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #13
We did our whole house in those retrofit led can lights Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #22
What about the bulb in your oven? cojoel Feb 2019 #11
Well yes, no appliance bulbs were changed out. LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #14
His true evil shows in these "small" deeds that mostly fly under the radar n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #9
I worked on the that bill. I can't believe WhiteTara Feb 2019 #12
rump and cronies rolling back these stnds won't have as much of a negative impact... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #15
So if the standards are repealed I won't be able to buy energy efficient bulbs anymore? Nt hughee99 Feb 2019 #16
No, that will not be the case. That ship has sailed. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #17
That's what I figured. It sounds like the estimates are based on everyone hughee99 Feb 2019 #20
Is there a more stupid piece of shit in the whole galaxy? dalton99a Feb 2019 #18

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,756 posts)
2. I don't think the predicted ill effects will happen.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:50 AM
Feb 2019

I can't see people lined up to buy those really swell incandescent light bulbs, anymore than I can see people lined up to buy cars with those really swell drum brakes.

So if Trump and Jared and Wilbur Ross have secretly cornered the market in incandescent bulbs, I don't see that their speculation will pay off.

Full disclosure: I own stock in GE, which used to crank out those things hand over fist.

There are so many stories that come up when I Google for this:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Jy9kXK_RBYyO5wL9n5GICA&q=light+bulb+factory+closes

One story. It goes on for five pages:

Light bulb factory closes; End of era for U.S. means more jobs overseas

By Peter Whoriskey
Wednesday, September 8, 2010; 9:48 PM

WINCHESTER, VA. - The last major GE factory making ordinary incandescent light bulbs in the United States is closing this month, marking a small, sad exit for a product and company that can trace their roots to Thomas Alva Edison's innovations in the 1870s.

The remaining 200 workers at the plant here will lose their jobs. ... "Now what're we going to do?" said Toby Savolainen, 49, who like many others worked for decades at the factory, making bulbs now deemed wasteful.
....

The resulting savings in energy and greenhouse-gas emissions are expected to be immense. But the move also had unintended consequences.

Rather than setting off a boom in the U.S. manufacture of replacement lights, the leading replacement lights are compact fluorescents, or CFLs, which are made almost entirely overseas, mostly in China.
....

© 2010 The Washington Post Company

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
3. GE and Sylvania are pretty much done with incandescent lightbulbs
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:56 AM
Feb 2019

Maybe somebody on DU knows differently, but I believe the US manufacturers have retooled already. Most light bulbs are being made in Mexico, or else in third-world countries for the last 30 years or longer. The US manufacturers saw the future and the switch to energy-efficient bulbs has already taken place. I can still get incandescent bulbs at the Dollar Store or Big Lots, but I don't buy them. Why should I? The energy efficient bulbs last much longer, use less power, and they're cost effective.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,756 posts)
4. I get the 7-watt night lights. They used to be four-for-a-dollar at Dollar Tree, but now they're
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:58 AM
Feb 2019

three-for-a-dollar.

Maybe bulbs for microwave ovens have to be incandescent. I don't know.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
5. Yes there are certain specialty bulbs that can't be switched
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:01 AM
Feb 2019

Most of them are the small, low-watt appliance bulbs like refrigerator and oven bulbs. Perhaps future appliance designs will address this but for now we still need the incandescent bulbs.



Hassin Bin Sober

(26,362 posts)
21. I have to check in with partner and his quest to change out the last incandescent bulb in the house
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:13 PM
Feb 2019

The microwave light over the stove.

Everything else is LED. He was like Captain Ahab. I got to the point my eyes just glossed over. He was even talking about modifying the microwave.

I don’t know how we ended up on that one.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
6. About 2 years ago, I converted about 95% of my home to LED. The remaining 5% are fluorescent.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:06 AM
Feb 2019

LED recessed retrofit can ceiling lights in every room.

LED bulbs in bathroom light bars.

Also, T8 fluorescent in garage and basement and workshop, as well as LED shop lights.

There are ZERO incandescent bulbs in my home, and it's so nice not having to buy bulbs. I have not had to change one light bulb since this was done.

peggysue2

(10,853 posts)
7. We did the same thing
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

Started with our flood lights outside--bulbs that we were changing almost monthly--switching to the LEDs. Haven't had to climb up a ladder to replace them since the install. Slowly, we did the same on the interior lighting.

Incandescent lighting isn't coming back, anymore than King Coal.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
8. Pictures enclosed.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

Most of my ceilings (except the kitchen) are plaster over rock lath. I found a great master electrician to come in and cut 6 inch holes in the ceiling to accept the recessed cans.The guy amazed me...he could lay out a whole room of these things (6 to 8 lights) with a plumb bob, drill the 6 inch diameter holes through the plaster and rock lath, and have the edge of the hole come within 1/64 inch of a joist. All without cracking the plaster.

I put 4 to 8 of these in each room at $100 per fixture and this included both labor and the cost of the fixture. I love these lights. They are 3000k which is a nice soft yellowish light, like incandescent, and they are fed to a dimmer switch. The soffit in the kitchen used to have floods, which were horrible. Like you stated, they had to be changed every month or 2, and I used to dread going to the store to try to find the same bulb.

First pic is old incandescent flood, second pic is retrofit LED.


FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
10. Yes my house is the same age with old plaster ceilings
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:39 AM
Feb 2019

I should look into this. Great idea! Thanks for the pics.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
13. The recessed cans were already installed in the kitchen.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:52 AM
Feb 2019

So in the kitchen, all that had to be done was to replace the old fixture in the can. It literally takes lass than a minute to do so.

It is only where there were no can lights before that the 6 inch diameter holes have to be drilled.

You won't go wrong by looking into this...I'm not exaggerating when I say it is somewhat life changing. You can get rid of all of your table lamps. The fixtures are sleek and good looking, and they provide better light. No more bulb changing, and a noticeable reduction of your electric bill!

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,362 posts)
22. We did our whole house in those retrofit led can lights
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:23 PM
Feb 2019

There was something like 25 cans. We also did like 12 display spots and a bunch of pendants.

Iirc, we went from over 2300 watts to a little over 400 watts.

I can’t remember the last time I changed a bulb.


Now they have the disc lights that look like cans but mount to regular junction boxes. I installed a couple in my buddy’s place to replace some flush mount ceiling fixtures. They are a little bit more pricey but still better than cutting the ceiling.

cojoel

(959 posts)
11. What about the bulb in your oven?
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

Those are almost always incandescent bulbs. But they usually aren't turned on very much.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
14. Well yes, no appliance bulbs were changed out.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:54 AM
Feb 2019

I'm just talking about the permanent light fixtures on my walls and ceilings.

WhiteTara

(29,736 posts)
12. I worked on the that bill. I can't believe
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:51 AM
Feb 2019

it's been so long ago though. I wrote the Resolution for the CA party and it made into a bill and passed. I was really into that. I was intent on selling led bulbs. I found my last 1st generation bulb yesterday even. Incandescent is cheap for the manufacturers and expensive for the consumer and planet.

SWBTATTReg

(22,214 posts)
15. rump and cronies rolling back these stnds won't have as much of a negative impact...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:20 PM
Feb 2019

in MO for example, the utility provided energy efficient power strips and light bulbs to all of its customers (I jumped on) and brought a lot of them. Other energy saving items such as appliances, etc. were also offered. Very reasonable.

The utility's rationale in doing this was that if they could get enough of these energy saving devices out there among its customers, enough energy would be saved that additional power plants wouldn't have to be built in MO. Smart, we all save!

Again, the republicans trying to buck market trends and ensure that their monopoly owning buddies retain their businesses longer, and ignore the consequences of bad energy policies and their impact on the environment and consumers' wallets.

Again, just points out a pathetic way behind the times thinking that these idiotic and very obviously slanted towards their rich buddies bias. Nothing about their voters, nothing about the environment, nothing about a
sustainable economy and in fact, totally fact free in determination of appropriate solutions to just about any problem/issue (other than 'tax cut'!).

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,756 posts)
17. No, that will not be the case. That ship has sailed.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:23 PM
Feb 2019

No one is going to revive those wonderful old incandescent light bulbs.

Image that Trump decided that analog TV broadcasting was a great idea. Can you think of anyone who would go back to watching analog TV?

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