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Repealing the standards would cost consumers $100 billion and result in half a billion extra tons of air pollution.
JOE ROMM
FEB 12, 2019, 2:39 PM
President Donald Trump wants to roll back efficiency standards for light bulbs, at a cost to consumers of over $100 billion some $1,000 per household by 2030.
The Department of Energy (DOE) announced in the Federal Register that it has started a process to undo those standards, despite projections that they will prevent the release of 540 million tons of greenhouse gases and hundreds of thousands of tons of the pollutants that worsen asthma, cardiopulmonary disease, and premature death.
So, in the annals of Trumps blinkered pursuit of undoing everything President Barack Obama did, no matter how basic or commonsense, this move ranks near the top.
The original DOE lighting standards were part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. They did not ban incandescent light bulbs, but instead encouraged innovation by requiring manufacturers to increase efficiency by 27 percent through 2014. It was a completely non-controversial bill that had bipartisan support, was strongly supported by light bulb manufacturers, and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.
But after Obama was elected and Republicans regained control of Congress, GOP leadership immediately went to work to undo the standards, continuing their longstanding opposition to federal energy-saving rules.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-light-bulb-rollback-cost-2b10f0720303/
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,756 posts)I can't see people lined up to buy those really swell incandescent light bulbs, anymore than I can see people lined up to buy cars with those really swell drum brakes.
So if Trump and Jared and Wilbur Ross have secretly cornered the market in incandescent bulbs, I don't see that their speculation will pay off.
Full disclosure: I own stock in GE, which used to crank out those things hand over fist.
There are so many stories that come up when I Google for this:
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Jy9kXK_RBYyO5wL9n5GICA&q=light+bulb+factory+closes
One story. It goes on for five pages:
By Peter Whoriskey
Wednesday, September 8, 2010; 9:48 PM
WINCHESTER, VA. - The last major GE factory making ordinary incandescent light bulbs in the United States is closing this month, marking a small, sad exit for a product and company that can trace their roots to Thomas Alva Edison's innovations in the 1870s.
The remaining 200 workers at the plant here will lose their jobs. ... "Now what're we going to do?" said Toby Savolainen, 49, who like many others worked for decades at the factory, making bulbs now deemed wasteful.
....
The resulting savings in energy and greenhouse-gas emissions are expected to be immense. But the move also had unintended consequences.
Rather than setting off a boom in the U.S. manufacture of replacement lights, the leading replacement lights are compact fluorescents, or CFLs, which are made almost entirely overseas, mostly in China.
....
© 2010 The Washington Post Company
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)Maybe somebody on DU knows differently, but I believe the US manufacturers have retooled already. Most light bulbs are being made in Mexico, or else in third-world countries for the last 30 years or longer. The US manufacturers saw the future and the switch to energy-efficient bulbs has already taken place. I can still get incandescent bulbs at the Dollar Store or Big Lots, but I don't buy them. Why should I? The energy efficient bulbs last much longer, use less power, and they're cost effective.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,756 posts)three-for-a-dollar.
Maybe bulbs for microwave ovens have to be incandescent. I don't know.
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)Most of them are the small, low-watt appliance bulbs like refrigerator and oven bulbs. Perhaps future appliance designs will address this but for now we still need the incandescent bulbs.
JCMach1
(27,591 posts)And almost never burn out...
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,362 posts)The microwave light over the stove.
Everything else is LED. He was like Captain Ahab. I got to the point my eyes just glossed over. He was even talking about modifying the microwave.
I dont know how we ended up on that one.
JCMach1
(27,591 posts)An LED should help cure that
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)LED recessed retrofit can ceiling lights in every room.
LED bulbs in bathroom light bars.
Also, T8 fluorescent in garage and basement and workshop, as well as LED shop lights.
There are ZERO incandescent bulbs in my home, and it's so nice not having to buy bulbs. I have not had to change one light bulb since this was done.
peggysue2
(10,853 posts)Started with our flood lights outside--bulbs that we were changing almost monthly--switching to the LEDs. Haven't had to climb up a ladder to replace them since the install. Slowly, we did the same on the interior lighting.
Incandescent lighting isn't coming back, anymore than King Coal.
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)Most of my ceilings (except the kitchen) are plaster over rock lath. I found a great master electrician to come in and cut 6 inch holes in the ceiling to accept the recessed cans.The guy amazed me...he could lay out a whole room of these things (6 to 8 lights) with a plumb bob, drill the 6 inch diameter holes through the plaster and rock lath, and have the edge of the hole come within 1/64 inch of a joist. All without cracking the plaster.
I put 4 to 8 of these in each room at $100 per fixture and this included both labor and the cost of the fixture. I love these lights. They are 3000k which is a nice soft yellowish light, like incandescent, and they are fed to a dimmer switch. The soffit in the kitchen used to have floods, which were horrible. Like you stated, they had to be changed every month or 2, and I used to dread going to the store to try to find the same bulb.
First pic is old incandescent flood, second pic is retrofit LED.
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)I should look into this. Great idea! Thanks for the pics.
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)So in the kitchen, all that had to be done was to replace the old fixture in the can. It literally takes lass than a minute to do so.
It is only where there were no can lights before that the 6 inch diameter holes have to be drilled.
You won't go wrong by looking into this...I'm not exaggerating when I say it is somewhat life changing. You can get rid of all of your table lamps. The fixtures are sleek and good looking, and they provide better light. No more bulb changing, and a noticeable reduction of your electric bill!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,362 posts)There was something like 25 cans. We also did like 12 display spots and a bunch of pendants.
Iirc, we went from over 2300 watts to a little over 400 watts.
I cant remember the last time I changed a bulb.
Now they have the disc lights that look like cans but mount to regular junction boxes. I installed a couple in my buddys place to replace some flush mount ceiling fixtures. They are a little bit more pricey but still better than cutting the ceiling.
cojoel
(959 posts)Those are almost always incandescent bulbs. But they usually aren't turned on very much.
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)I'm just talking about the permanent light fixtures on my walls and ceilings.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)it's been so long ago though. I wrote the Resolution for the CA party and it made into a bill and passed. I was really into that. I was intent on selling led bulbs. I found my last 1st generation bulb yesterday even. Incandescent is cheap for the manufacturers and expensive for the consumer and planet.
SWBTATTReg
(22,214 posts)in MO for example, the utility provided energy efficient power strips and light bulbs to all of its customers (I jumped on) and brought a lot of them. Other energy saving items such as appliances, etc. were also offered. Very reasonable.
The utility's rationale in doing this was that if they could get enough of these energy saving devices out there among its customers, enough energy would be saved that additional power plants wouldn't have to be built in MO. Smart, we all save!
Again, the republicans trying to buck market trends and ensure that their monopoly owning buddies retain their businesses longer, and ignore the consequences of bad energy policies and their impact on the environment and consumers' wallets.
Again, just points out a pathetic way behind the times thinking that these idiotic and very obviously slanted towards their rich buddies bias. Nothing about their voters, nothing about the environment, nothing about a
sustainable economy and in fact, totally fact free in determination of appropriate solutions to just about any problem/issue (other than 'tax cut'!).
hughee99
(16,113 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,756 posts)No one is going to revive those wonderful old incandescent light bulbs.
Image that Trump decided that analog TV broadcasting was a great idea. Can you think of anyone who would go back to watching analog TV?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Going back to the old ones.