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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,943 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:32 PM Feb 2019

Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler Omits 'So Help Me God' From Oath as He Swears in Witnesses

Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:57 PM - Edit history (2)

When the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing on gun violence Wednesday morning, Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler, the chair of the group, administered the oath to witnesses who were about the testify. When he did that, he left out the phrase “So help me God.” A Republican questioned him about that immediately afterward. Nadler chalked it up to a simple mistake, re-administered the oath with the phrase in it, and everyone moved on.

“Raise your right hands,” Nadler told the witnesses. “Do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you’re about to give is true and correct to the best of your knowledge, information and belief?

“Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman,” interrupted Rep. Mike Johnson. “Point of parliamentary inquiry”… Johnson, sitting at the far end of the dais, said: “We had a conversation on the floor last week, and I just noted you left out ‘So help me God.’”

“Sorry,” Nadler said. “Do you want me to repeat the whole — I will repeat–”

“I would love that. Thank you,” Johnson said.

“Please stand up again,” Nadler told the witnesses, as he repeated the oath, ending with, “So help you God.”

https://centerforinquiry.org/press_releases/omitting-so-help-me-god/

https://www.richarddawkins.net/2019/02/democratic-house-chair-purposely-omits-so-help-me-god-when-administering-oath/?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=rdf_newsletter

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Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler Omits 'So Help Me God' From Oath as He Swears in Witnesses (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2019 OP
I think it does not belong there at all. 3catwoman3 Feb 2019 #1
Is there a law or statute that requires the use of the phrase "so help you God" when swearing in Arkansas Granny Feb 2019 #2
No - it is unconstitutional to compel people to make statements about or to a god jberryhill Feb 2019 #3
When I was on jury duty they asked if anyone had objections to that phrase csziggy Feb 2019 #15
It is certainly not in the Constitution... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #4
The story is from a right wing website which the OP believes to be a legitimate source jberryhill Feb 2019 #6
Is the requirement for an oath in the Constitution? n/t Igel Feb 2019 #7
No meadowlander Feb 2019 #14
Why are you posting right wing bullshit propaganda? jberryhill Feb 2019 #5
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #9
But then yesterday it happened again with a different Democrat, and this time, it was on purpose. yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2019 #8
At which point a witness should have livened things up by objecting to the extra words... brooklynite Feb 2019 #10
Fox News will wear that out. ooky Feb 2019 #11
The OP is from Conservative News Service jberryhill Feb 2019 #12
CNS News is an extreme-right-wing "news" site that routinely posts propaganda and fails fact checks. TwilightZone Feb 2019 #13
They force it on people at naturalization without offering alternatives BSdetect Feb 2019 #16

Arkansas Granny

(31,543 posts)
2. Is there a law or statute that requires the use of the phrase "so help you God" when swearing in
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:49 PM
Feb 2019

a witness? Just wondering.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. No - it is unconstitutional to compel people to make statements about or to a god
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:58 PM
Feb 2019

This is a bullshit news story from a right-wing website.

csziggy

(34,140 posts)
15. When I was on jury duty they asked if anyone had objections to that phrase
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:44 PM
Feb 2019

Two or three of the jury members did, me among them, and they left it out of the oath we had to swear to serve. No one insisted that we had to swear to god, either. If they had, I would have objected since I will not swear an oath to something I do not believe in.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. The story is from a right wing website which the OP believes to be a legitimate source
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:04 PM
Feb 2019

Why that is, is an open question.

A stroll around the website is an eye-opener into where the OP gets this kind of "news".

meadowlander

(4,413 posts)
14. No
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

Every time I’ve given evidence we had a choice of oath or affirmation. You could swear on the bible or not and the wording was different.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Why are you posting right wing bullshit propaganda?
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:02 PM
Feb 2019

"So help me God" is not in the required oath for anything, including presidents, although in the case of presidents it is left in by tradition.

This is a totally made-up "controversy".

How often do you get your news from this lovely website which runs the following OTHER stories:


Doctor: ‘Late-Term Abortion Is Never Medically Necessary’

Radical Left Worldview Offers Up Government as Savior in Green New Deal

US Constitution Rejects Premise of Judicial Supremacy – And So Should All Americans

Walter Williams: Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNSNews.com

CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain conservativenews.org. According to Bozell, the website would "report news ...not touched by traditional television news outlets" and "fill the growing news void left by the establishment media in their chase for the sensational."

Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,943 posts)
8. But then yesterday it happened again with a different Democrat, and this time, it was on purpose.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:11 PM
Feb 2019

This incident involved Democratic Rep. Diana DeGette, who chairs the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight. Yesterday morning, when conducting a hearing on the Trump administration’s “Inhumane Family Separation Policy,” she left out the phrase when swearing in witnesses. And once again, a Republican was there to point it out.

When Rep. Jeff Duncan (R.-S.C.) reminded DeGette of the omission, she indicated that it was intentional:

“This is the — ah, this is the oath we use, and that’s the oath we’re going to use today,” said DeGette said, who then moved on with the hearing.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. The OP is from Conservative News Service
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:20 PM
Feb 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNSNews.com

CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain conservativenews.org. According to Bozell, the website would "report news ...not touched by traditional television news outlets" and "fill the growing news void left by the establishment media in their chase for the sensational."

The OP is somewhat upset at having that pointed out.

TwilightZone

(25,517 posts)
13. CNS News is an extreme-right-wing "news" site that routinely posts propaganda and fails fact checks.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:23 PM
Feb 2019

You might want to consider finding better sources.

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
16. They force it on people at naturalization without offering alternatives
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:58 PM
Feb 2019

Should be completely banned from all official matters.

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