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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:10 AM Feb 2019

Watching Brian Williams on MSNBC and thinking "And your point IS???

1). Manafort broke plea deal

2). Manafort is "barely recognizable," looks terrible, reportedly walking with a cane

3). Life in prison can take a toll

OKAY...BUT...is it POSSIBLE that if he hadn't done the things he's being tried for now, INCLUDING lying and breaking the plea deal, he might have AVOIDED ALL OF THIS?

I don't wish ANYONE harm, or grief, or suffering, but what part of what Manafort is going through right now is NOT self-inflicted and could NOT HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN AVOIDED?

WHAT AM I MISSING??? Why should this not seem like justice for crimes committed?

Asking here because I can't ask Brian Williams personally.



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Watching Brian Williams on MSNBC and thinking "And your point IS??? (Original Post) Miles Archer Feb 2019 OP
Why would you watch fox lite? onecaliberal Feb 2019 #1
Background noise Miles Archer Feb 2019 #4
They're all concern trolls save for Lawrence and Rachel. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #12
I rarely watch lyin' Brian malaise Feb 2019 #2
I may have to start switching over at the end of Lawrence O'Donnell Miles Archer Feb 2019 #5
They don't want to kill the Golden Goose. They've made fortunes off the trump show. spanone Feb 2019 #3
Dear Mr. Williams gratuitous Feb 2019 #6
Sounds like Brian watched Toobin on CNN underpants Feb 2019 #7
Paul Manafort is rich and white. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #8
Yeah, well America's DEMOCRACY looks even worse, thanks to Manafort. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #9
One reason he is not recognizable is that he has let his hair go back to its natural color. Grammy23 Feb 2019 #10
I like Brian Williams a lot renate Feb 2019 #11

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
4. Background noise
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:24 AM
Feb 2019

I usually watch Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, and by the time they're both finished. I'm thinking about sleep. I usually fall asleep before the end. This little moment of concern came at the beginning of the show.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
5. I may have to start switching over at the end of Lawrence O'Donnell
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:26 AM
Feb 2019

I have seen Don on occasion and assume he never has guests like Santorum, Hewitt, Kingston, etc. That's the primary reason I avoid CNN.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Dear Mr. Williams
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:34 AM
Feb 2019

I hear you. Paul Manafort looks terrible, and being in prison is terrible. But Manafort has conducted his career and his life in such a way that this is the normal and natural consequence for his life of crime. He's looted millions of dollars from people, caused the deaths of thousands directly and indirectly, and left a trail of blood and corruption wherever he's gone. To deny him the prison time he has courted and earned would be a terrible injustice to Manafort's efforts.

Now, consider the men and women rotting away in jails and prisons all across the nation, Mr. Williams. Some of them earned their cell every bit as much as Paul Manafort. But others are languishing, their lives wasting away, because of a corrupt system the rewards convictions and prison time without too much concern for actual guilt or innocence. Our Supreme Court has even gone so far as to opine that the guilt or innocence for a criminal defendant is less important than a procedurally correct trial. That is, as long as the i's were dotted more or less correctly and the t's crossed within an acceptable margin of error, a wrongful conviction must stand.

Your pathetic pleading on Manafort's behalf would have a lot more credibility if it was consistent. You're only concerned for Manafort because he was in your Club.

underpants

(183,051 posts)
7. Sounds like Brian watched Toobin on CNN
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:44 AM
Feb 2019

Jeffrey Toobin said the same things on AC360. He went out of his way to mention #'s 2&3.

Almost verbatim.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Paul Manafort is rich and white.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:48 AM
Feb 2019

So all of these things are even more terrible because they happened to a rich white man who also happens to be a career criminal.

SunSeeker

(51,814 posts)
9. Yeah, well America's DEMOCRACY looks even worse, thanks to Manafort.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 01:01 AM
Feb 2019

So fuck that piece of shit. May he die a broken old man in prison, where he belongs.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
10. One reason he is not recognizable is that he has let his hair go back to its natural color.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 01:17 AM
Feb 2019

(At least this is what I heard one reporter say.). So of course he is unrecognizable. He looks like the 70 year old man that he is. Is that part of a ploy to look old and frail so someone will have mercy upon the old guy?? Funny that he was full of pep and looked fine last year. Probably planning to pull the old, pitiful geriatric guy routine to see if he can get a sympathy break. Don’t fall for it. He is a con man. Who worked for another con man. Show him no mercy.

renate

(13,776 posts)
11. I like Brian Williams a lot
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:21 AM
Feb 2019

I like his dry humor. And his little sly digs at the man occupying the position of POTUS.

To me it seemed more like schadenfreude than a call for pity.

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