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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI honestly can't believe 89% of Republicans support Trump..
This was mentioned on Hardball. They were discussing how difficult it would be for someone to run against him for the nomination.
Turbineguy
(37,423 posts)is half of the 2nd Amendment.
madaboutharry
(40,248 posts)The few republicans I know hate him.
PatSeg
(47,774 posts)it dawns on me that a lot of people no longer identify as "republican", especially to pollsters. I'm sure the party has lost a lot voters because of Trump.
Maru Kitteh
(28,348 posts)PatSeg
(47,774 posts)Journalists and pundits keep referring to the Democrats and Republicans, as the parties have not changed since 2012 or 2008. To reference a certain percentage of either party or Independents right now is quite different than in previous years. Perhaps they should say of those polled, who still have the temerity to admit they are republicans, 89% support blah, blah, blah.
Perhaps such polls should start out with how many of any pool are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents. Then go on to the next question. That 89% could very well only be 25% to 30% of likely voters, a more revealing statistic.
Most of the rather outspoken republicans that I've dealt with over the past ten to twenty years have really stopped talking politics since Trump was elected. They have enough self-awareness to be embarrassed.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)1. 89% of Rs really like Rump and want him over anyone else.
2. 89% of Rs have decided to support the president out of respect for the office.
ooky
(8,938 posts)They are purely partisan ideologs who would vote for a stuffed animal with an "R" after its name.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)3. Someone made up some totally bullshit poll numbers.
Glamrock
(11,803 posts)89% of white people who pay fuck all attention to politics and think all the Democratic party represents is minorities and gays, support this moron because, he demonizes minorities and gays.
hlthe2b
(102,575 posts)Thus, that means, while the percentage (%) of R's approving Trump may continue to be high (or even higher), that reflects a decrease in overall likely Trump voter numbers. Many of the "Never Trumpers" or the disillusioned (functioning brainwave) R's are now self-identified independents.
So those R's left reflect the absolute Trump-sycophants.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)The number of self identified republicans is declining and those whove defected are not Trump supporters. Whats left are the more hard core republicans and deplorables
Of voters identify as Republicans.
Squinch
(51,093 posts)as the helicopter took him away, isn't it?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Studies show that the vast majority of so-called independents are extremely partisan. They just like calling themselves independent.
Squinch
(51,093 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Squinch
(51,093 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,307 posts)nt
RDANGELO
(3,441 posts)For all tense and purposes, Fox News is running the Republican Party. We now have our first Fox News watcher president. The Republican base has been conditioned to abandon any critical thinking in favor of xenophobia and racism.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)More and more, they're calling themselves independents
Norbert
(6,043 posts)in the last three years.
It may be larger than we think which would account for the remaining GO-MAGA-P that make up the 89%.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)But there has been a recent uptick in Democratic affiliation and a slight decline in Republican affiliation. There is, though, a margin of error with any survey.
walkingman
(7,711 posts)RockRaven
(15,103 posts)The first is that party affiliation in these polls is self-reported, and is therefore fluid. One needs to also look at what fraction of registered voters identify as Republican and see if that number has changed over time. A certain portion of voters, when they drop their support for the party leader (i.e. POTUS) also drop the party label as a mode of self-identification. As disapproving people drop out of the denominator, the approval rate stays high. A non-Trump GOPer in the race who attracts the attention and approval of these party-affiliation-fluid people might bring some of those people back into the GOP bucket in a different poll, and change Trump's support number significantly.
The second is that answering polls is, for many people, an exercise in tribalism and virtue signaling. They don't actually stop and think about whether or not they approve of Trump when asked the question. They give what they think the "right" answer is. They think that a good/loyal Republican would say they support the Republican POTUS, so they answer that they support Trump, because they see themselves as a good/loyal Republican. They aren't really answering the question being asked. They are answering a different question. And only later do they post hoc rationalize their position -- which is why so many Trump supporters are so incoherent when you actually sit down with one and try to talk them through particular polices/issues/political races.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Quixote1818
(29,036 posts)However, deep down they may not be too excited about him and there is ample evidence his base's support for him is soft and many may not show up on election day:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Also, his base won't be enough to win the election even if they do show up:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-base-isnt-enough/
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)22% of the US population. Tweety is in the twilight zone once again.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Trump will command all the attention during the primary season, drawing it away from our candidates. When he debates a primary opponent that debate will be front and center. When he rings up a huge primary victory over someone he just debated it will reinforce the notion of Trump as a winner, with comparisons to his plurality win in the same primary 4 years earlier to now a landslide majority.
It probably works in our favor if he is unopposed, even if he'll be able to load up the war chest under that circumstance.
Ousting an incumbent is difficult on so many levels. I never ignore that. Any analysis of 2020 that doesn't include the word incumbent is massacring the big picture.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It could weaken him but it could strengthen him instead.
shanny
(6,709 posts)willing to call themselves Republicans shrinks everyday...and is largely confined to the die-hard true-believing dead-enders.
OnDoutside
(19,988 posts)Initech
(100,152 posts)97% of disco fans strongly approve!
DFW
(54,520 posts)There can't be too many people left who are publicly willing to admit that they are Republicans.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)LonePirate
(13,448 posts)stopbush
(24,401 posts)moondust
(20,029 posts)and intellectually dishonest.
Guns and hate, guns and hate, more guns and hate.
Explains a lot.
magicarpet
(14,224 posts)Fascism, hate, and cruelty are fashionable once again.
USA, USA, USA !
Rizen
(728 posts)They've become the white nationalist party. All the sane people have abandoned that ship already.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)It doesn't really matter who it is, if he's a Republican, they support him.
They truly have blind loyalty to the party, no matter who the nominee is.
Totally crazy.
Scruffy1
(3,257 posts).89X.25=22.5. Of course you can't win a general with only Party votes. that is why I think something like a health crises will be arranged along about early 2020. All the state polls sre showing about the same. It should lead to a massive flop for down ballot Republicans if we don't fall asleep at the switch and not keep attacking.