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I honestly can't believe 89% of Republicans support Trump.. (Original Post) helpisontheway Feb 2019 OP
The only thing they know about the Constitution Turbineguy Feb 2019 #1
I don't believe that either. madaboutharry Feb 2019 #2
When I hear these statistics, PatSeg Feb 2019 #22
I agree with you - so many Republicans and (R) leaning people have left Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #25
And yet, I rarely hear this mentioned on TV PatSeg Feb 2019 #33
89% of what....must be these guys.. pbmus Feb 2019 #3
I like it. triron Feb 2019 #4
Or maybe.... pbmus Feb 2019 #7
There are two ways you can take that statement ProudLib72 Feb 2019 #5
There is a third way - ooky Feb 2019 #21
That's sort of like #2. But there is another way I just realized ProudLib72 Feb 2019 #23
Might I suggest a third possibility? Glamrock Feb 2019 #26
So few seem to recognize that the absolute numbers of voters who id as R's has dropped... hlthe2b Feb 2019 #6
Yes, it drives me nuts that they fail to point out that fact Dream Girl Feb 2019 #10
24% Horizens Feb 2019 #12
So 21% of Americans approve of Individual 1. That's about half Nixon's support Squinch Feb 2019 #30
No, about 40% approve. That includes millions who identify as "independent." Garrett78 Feb 2019 #34
Oh. Shoot. Hopes dashed. Squinch Feb 2019 #40
Well, his "strongly disapprove" number is about 50%. Tough to win re-election with a # like that. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #41
That's better! Squinch Feb 2019 #43
Yes, it's a higher percentage, but a smaller base DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #27
Fox News RDANGELO Feb 2019 #8
One by one, the moderate Republicans stopped calling themselves Republicans struggle4progress Feb 2019 #9
Exactly! I'd like to know what percentage left the party Norbert Feb 2019 #18
Political affiliation hasn't changed all that much: Garrett78 Feb 2019 #36
White power is alive and well in 21st Century. Sad but true. walkingman Feb 2019 #11
There are two complicating factors in any poll like that... RockRaven Feb 2019 #13
See post #36. Affiliation hasn't changed all that much. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #38
Human nature is that people don't like to admit to themselves they have made a mistake Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #14
So,we are thinking 89% of Wellstone ruled Feb 2019 #15
I can. He'll crush anyone who tries to primary him, but I still hope it happens. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #16
I'm not sure I want it to happen Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #20
I welcome Republican infighting, but I also get what you're saying. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24
I assume the number of people shanny Feb 2019 #17
Exactly. 89% of a far smaller number. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #28
That's like asking disco fans if they approve of disco music in 1977. Initech Feb 2019 #19
That can't have been an easy poll to conduct DFW Feb 2019 #29
why not? They are getting 100% of their judges appointed, afterall that was always the intent beachbum bob Feb 2019 #31
He is as racist and as dumb as they are. Why wouldn't they support him? LonePirate Feb 2019 #32
Republicans make up 25% of the population. What's 89% of 25%? stopbush Feb 2019 #35
Morally bankrupt moondust Feb 2019 #37
trDump has awakened the Nazi Brigade... magicarpet Feb 2019 #45
Republicans are horrible people Rizen Feb 2019 #39
They support ANYBODY who cares the Republican party flag fescuerescue Feb 2019 #42
Do the math. Scruffy1 Feb 2019 #44

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
22. When I hear these statistics,
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:37 PM
Feb 2019

it dawns on me that a lot of people no longer identify as "republican", especially to pollsters. I'm sure the party has lost a lot voters because of Trump.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
33. And yet, I rarely hear this mentioned on TV
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 11:40 AM
Feb 2019

Journalists and pundits keep referring to the Democrats and Republicans, as the parties have not changed since 2012 or 2008. To reference a certain percentage of either party or Independents right now is quite different than in previous years. Perhaps they should say of those polled, who still have the temerity to admit they are republicans, 89% support blah, blah, blah.

Perhaps such polls should start out with how many of any pool are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents. Then go on to the next question. That 89% could very well only be 25% to 30% of likely voters, a more revealing statistic.

Most of the rather outspoken republicans that I've dealt with over the past ten to twenty years have really stopped talking politics since Trump was elected. They have enough self-awareness to be embarrassed.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. There are two ways you can take that statement
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:22 PM
Feb 2019

1. 89% of Rs really like Rump and want him over anyone else.

2. 89% of Rs have decided to support the president out of respect for the office.

ooky

(8,938 posts)
21. There is a third way -
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:31 PM
Feb 2019

They are purely partisan ideologs who would vote for a stuffed animal with an "R" after its name.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
23. That's sort of like #2. But there is another way I just realized
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:59 PM
Feb 2019

3. Someone made up some totally bullshit poll numbers.

Glamrock

(11,803 posts)
26. Might I suggest a third possibility?
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 03:50 AM
Feb 2019

89% of white people who pay fuck all attention to politics and think all the Democratic party represents is minorities and gays, support this moron because, he demonizes minorities and gays.

hlthe2b

(102,575 posts)
6. So few seem to recognize that the absolute numbers of voters who id as R's has dropped...
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:24 PM
Feb 2019

Thus, that means, while the percentage (%) of R's approving Trump may continue to be high (or even higher), that reflects a decrease in overall likely Trump voter numbers. Many of the "Never Trumpers" or the disillusioned (functioning brainwave) R's are now self-identified independents.

So those R's left reflect the absolute Trump-sycophants.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
10. Yes, it drives me nuts that they fail to point out that fact
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:33 PM
Feb 2019

The number of self identified republicans is declining and those who’ve defected are not Trump supporters. What’s left are the more hard core republicans and deplorables

Squinch

(51,093 posts)
30. So 21% of Americans approve of Individual 1. That's about half Nixon's support
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 06:21 AM
Feb 2019

as the helicopter took him away, isn't it?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. No, about 40% approve. That includes millions who identify as "independent."
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 12:48 PM
Feb 2019

Studies show that the vast majority of so-called independents are extremely partisan. They just like calling themselves independent.

RDANGELO

(3,441 posts)
8. Fox News
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:31 PM
Feb 2019

For all tense and purposes, Fox News is running the Republican Party. We now have our first Fox News watcher president. The Republican base has been conditioned to abandon any critical thinking in favor of xenophobia and racism.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
9. One by one, the moderate Republicans stopped calling themselves Republicans
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:33 PM
Feb 2019

More and more, they're calling themselves independents

Norbert

(6,043 posts)
18. Exactly! I'd like to know what percentage left the party
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:11 PM
Feb 2019

in the last three years.

It may be larger than we think which would account for the remaining GO-MAGA-P that make up the 89%.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
36. Political affiliation hasn't changed all that much:
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:04 PM
Feb 2019
https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

But there has been a recent uptick in Democratic affiliation and a slight decline in Republican affiliation. There is, though, a margin of error with any survey.

RockRaven

(15,103 posts)
13. There are two complicating factors in any poll like that...
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:41 PM
Feb 2019

The first is that party affiliation in these polls is self-reported, and is therefore fluid. One needs to also look at what fraction of registered voters identify as Republican and see if that number has changed over time. A certain portion of voters, when they drop their support for the party leader (i.e. POTUS) also drop the party label as a mode of self-identification. As disapproving people drop out of the denominator, the approval rate stays high. A non-Trump GOPer in the race who attracts the attention and approval of these party-affiliation-fluid people might bring some of those people back into the GOP bucket in a different poll, and change Trump's support number significantly.

The second is that answering polls is, for many people, an exercise in tribalism and virtue signaling. They don't actually stop and think about whether or not they approve of Trump when asked the question. They give what they think the "right" answer is. They think that a good/loyal Republican would say they support the Republican POTUS, so they answer that they support Trump, because they see themselves as a good/loyal Republican. They aren't really answering the question being asked. They are answering a different question. And only later do they post hoc rationalize their position -- which is why so many Trump supporters are so incoherent when you actually sit down with one and try to talk them through particular polices/issues/political races.

Quixote1818

(29,036 posts)
14. Human nature is that people don't like to admit to themselves they have made a mistake
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:52 PM
Feb 2019

However, deep down they may not be too excited about him and there is ample evidence his base's support for him is soft and many may not show up on election day:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Also, his base won't be enough to win the election even if they do show up:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-base-isnt-enough/
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
20. I'm not sure I want it to happen
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:24 PM
Feb 2019

Trump will command all the attention during the primary season, drawing it away from our candidates. When he debates a primary opponent that debate will be front and center. When he rings up a huge primary victory over someone he just debated it will reinforce the notion of Trump as a winner, with comparisons to his plurality win in the same primary 4 years earlier to now a landslide majority.

It probably works in our favor if he is unopposed, even if he'll be able to load up the war chest under that circumstance.

Ousting an incumbent is difficult on so many levels. I never ignore that. Any analysis of 2020 that doesn't include the word incumbent is massacring the big picture.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
24. I welcome Republican infighting, but I also get what you're saying.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 03:34 AM
Feb 2019

It could weaken him but it could strengthen him instead.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
17. I assume the number of people
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:58 PM
Feb 2019

willing to call themselves Republicans shrinks everyday...and is largely confined to the die-hard true-believing dead-enders.

Initech

(100,152 posts)
19. That's like asking disco fans if they approve of disco music in 1977.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:16 PM
Feb 2019

97% of disco fans strongly approve!

DFW

(54,520 posts)
29. That can't have been an easy poll to conduct
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 05:12 AM
Feb 2019

There can't be too many people left who are publicly willing to admit that they are Republicans.

moondust

(20,029 posts)
37. Morally bankrupt
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:46 PM
Feb 2019

and intellectually dishonest.

Guns and hate, guns and hate, more guns and hate.

Explains a lot.

magicarpet

(14,224 posts)
45. trDump has awakened the Nazi Brigade...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:10 AM
Feb 2019

Fascism, hate, and cruelty are fashionable once again.

USA, USA, USA !

Rizen

(728 posts)
39. Republicans are horrible people
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

They've become the white nationalist party. All the sane people have abandoned that ship already.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
42. They support ANYBODY who cares the Republican party flag
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:21 PM
Feb 2019

It doesn't really matter who it is, if he's a Republican, they support him.

They truly have blind loyalty to the party, no matter who the nominee is.

Totally crazy.

Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
44. Do the math.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:29 PM
Feb 2019

.89X.25=22.5. Of course you can't win a general with only Party votes. that is why I think something like a health crises will be arranged along about early 2020. All the state polls sre showing about the same. It should lead to a massive flop for down ballot Republicans if we don't fall asleep at the switch and not keep attacking.

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