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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller is releasing his report in his indictments.
Mueller is smart as hell. He is going to make sure the American people learn what Trump and his band of lunatics did. There is no way in hell Mueller is going to let anybody block or hide his report.
Mueller leaves little clues, sometimes big clues in his indictments. He is telling us a story.
Maddow does a great job going through the court transcripts of the indictments and explaining what it means. Learning Mueller has evidence of Stone communicating with Russia and wiki-leaks was a big clue.
Mueller has Roger Stone by his balls. Stone is about to watch his life long friend go to prison for life. What is he going to do, follow in Manaforts foot prints or will he make a deal in order to save his dumb ass.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)She's a great resource to go to when you want to unwind the day's events. I don't have cable but I have her podcasts on my phone and listen the morning after her show.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)21st century. As good as she is just think how good she could be if she worked for a deep pockets progressive media outlet.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,714 posts)She usually has other people on who have done great investigating, but I can't recall when she herself has provided important scoops.
Where Rachel excels, IMO, is in analysis; she takes all the facts in evidence and gives it context and meaning, historically, legally, politically, etc. She connects the dots better than just about anyone- case in point: when the Watergate "roadmap" was declassified recently, she did a lengthy report on what it was all about, and what it could mean for Meuller's investigation (that the Grand Jury/Judge could release all evidence presented by Meuller directly to Congress, without interference from the Executive Branch)
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,603 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Won't work on my Mac.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,806 posts)Lets see who blinks first territory. When one does... the dam breaks.
cilla4progress
(24,802 posts)GOP operatives / dirty tricksters for decades.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)The entire GOP is complicit. This is their problem. Trump is temporary. The GOP coup has been going on for years, and will continue until the life is crushed out of it.
cilla4progress
(24,802 posts)👍
manor321
(3,344 posts)I don't understand why more shows can't cover this like Rachel does? Chris Hayes and Lawrence often do a decent job. But then we have total jackasses like Ken Dilanian, Michael Isikoff, Pete Williams and others who go out of their way to downplay the investigation every chance they get.
Just last week Ken was desperately screaming that both Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Intel Committee found no collusion and they were wrapping up their investigation. Then when Senator Warner publicly disagreed, Ken chastised him!
Then yesterday Mueller drops the bombshell that they have communications between Stone and Guccifer and Stone and Wikileaks.
Most of the press is working as hard as it can to downplay this story, despite the facts.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)I think thats a big part of the issue here. A lot of people dont know the difference between investigative reporters for the NYT and WaPo and some dope who does 6 hits a day on cable news.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)He was Dick Cheney's Spox for many years was he not.
marble falls
(57,553 posts)PatSeg
(47,772 posts)investigation being filled with carefully placed booby traps and landmines that will go off if anyone tries to interfere, cover it up, or shut it down. Like perhaps some automatic leaks of information to major newspapers like The Pentagon Papers. There has to be many ways to protect the information and get it out to the public.
During Watergate, the lawyers all took bits and pieces home with them over time, in case Nixon shut them down and buried all the evidence. In this digital age, it must be a lot easier to copy and protect the results of the investigation(s). There are a lot of really smart people involved and they aren't going to let all their work be swept under the rug.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Whether they get one remains to be seen.
If Trump doesn't deliver, others in the hot seat might be more prone to flip.
I suspect Don Jr is going to be arrested in the next couple of weeks.
That will be a real test for the crazy orangutan masquerading as President.
He'll lash out ...
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Its a no win for dump. Im thinking Manafort is protecting his family from a Russian tea party.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)A whole bunch of state level charges that will put him in prison for a long, long time.
Timing is important financially. A pardon relieves unpaid fines but doesn't clawback fines already paid. if Trump hesitates, Manafort will be wiped out financially (if he isn't already because I doubt he can't forgive taxes, penalties or all the civil action from the banks he ripped off for example).
Maybe Manafort's situation was so hopeless, it didn't matter what he did. So he just continued to be the dishonest prick he's always been.
Stone is currently a bit more interesting because I do not know what state level charges they can get him on. So a pardon might really help him. i'm not sure about that ...
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Piece of vile excrement.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)They also have linked Stone to Guccifer 2.0.
So Stone is also in deep excrement.
But those are federal crimes. A Trump pardon cleans his slate. I'm not clear what the state crime would be for that ... (if any)
With Manafort, bank fraud and tax evasion can be handled at a state level. What parts of Stone's indictment can be prosecuted under state law?
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Jarqui
(10,131 posts)I protested Tricky Dick.
To see one of his dirty tricksters still profiting off dirty tricks and consorting with the Russians 45 years later is a little hard to take.
They need to throw away the key
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)kimbutgar
(21,285 posts)Him. He won't get that pardon then and a bad guy is held accountable.
RainCaster
(10,962 posts)mobeau69
(11,170 posts)RainCaster
(10,962 posts)Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,898 posts)The SDNY is the FEDERAL District Court for the Southern District of NY under the U.S. District Court system. Every state has at least one district. All of the larger states like NY & CA have multiple districts. They only charge federal crimes. They are under the direction-at least to a certain extent- of the U.S. Attorney General. Crimes charged and convicted in the SDNY, by jurisdiction, can only be based on federal statutes and certainly can be pardoned by the President.
State courts, on the other hand, are not subject to presidential pardons. The New York Attorney General, and the prosecutor's offices under his jurisdiction, bring cases in the criminal division of the New York State Courts. In New York, that is called the New York Supreme Court. That is the trial level court in NY.
onetexan
(13,081 posts)Mueller is slowly but clearly revealing the contents of his report. The biggest bombshell yet to be dropped of course.
erronis
(15,470 posts)who have very carefully laid out the timelines and some of the motives of these criminals/conspirators who are trying to bring down the US government.
Example: https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/02/14/the-unseen-aspects-of-paul-manaforts-lies-and-truth-telling/
halobeam
(4,873 posts)her work is meticulous.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)To use it in order to witness tamper and as a carrot for his cronies to lie for him.
Its sickening to think all of Muellers work could be for naught, unless he bags the orange dotard himself. Because I have no doubts Trump will have no qualms about pardoning any and all. He has absolutely no shame. And that will be accepted as the "norm" in the Trump era, or at least not surprising. Almost half the country will support him and a large chunk will agree with him that they were actually innocent and all the charges were just invented, and its all some Deep State conspiracy against the one President that could made America great again! And Trump will be revered as a hero for cutting through all the deep state machinations to make right a great wrong.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,440 posts)Trumpy is not loyal. He's only selfish. If he can't see the upside FOR HIM in pardoning Manafort or Stone, he'll let them hang and blame them for his own misery. So that means that Mueller has to make it known that Manafort and Stone will NOT benefit from a pardon, and neither will Trumpy. So if Manafort and Stone are still going to prison because of state charges in spite of a Trumpy pardon, his pardon will not be effective, and his ball of lies will unravel.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)Even if, throwing out, or making void, any federal indictments with a pardon would still help them on that front, and then they could concentrate on fighting the State charges if any. (I wonder if they could leverage the Presidential pardon then for the State charges ie...if the damn POTUS thinks we are innocent and pardoned us, that should be weighted in)
But I think these charges and more importantly what Mueller could have gotten from them for reduced sentencing, if there was no hope for a pardon, is all lost. So even if their charges had nothing to do with implicating Trump's family, which is hard to believe, a pardon would still send a strong message to them and to any future witnesses, that Daddy T will take care of them. And it for sure prevents any of them to ever be volunteering information for any reduction of jail time if they know they will never see the inside of a cell for those federal crimes anyways.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)I imagine what they say in federal court can be used against them in state courts.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)But even if......they can easily just lie and say they know nothing more. Or that their memory is fuzzy.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)but it must be enough to convince a judge you understand what you were found guilty of. I don't think you can get a pardon otherwise.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Cheviteau
(383 posts)The Senate fucked up royally when North was given immunity for his testimony. Notice, since then the Senate has not given immunity to another witness that has appeared before them. They learned their lesson.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)and his clicker without slides or was the hash extra potent.
Cheviteau
(383 posts)I'd love to join in this thread...but LSU baseball is starting. Playing Air Force.
Blue Owl
(50,597 posts)n/t
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)unnerving. I thought I knew this place.