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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:56 PM Feb 2019

Smollett Attackers Claim He Paid Them For the Attack

The two brothers who were arrested for the attack on actor/singer Jussie Smollett claim he paid them for the attack. It is possible that police have proof that the men were paid for the attack. Apparently, the men have receipts for the rope(s) they put around Smollett's neck. The men have been released from custody with no charges and supposedly are no longer suspects in the case.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/02/16/Police-release-two-men-arrested-in-Jussie-Smollett-attack-probe/5741550337175/

The link above is to a story about the men being released. I do not have a link to a story discussing the claim that Smollett paid the men for the attack. I saw the story about the men being paid on CBS Weekend News.

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Smollett Attackers Claim He Paid Them For the Attack (Original Post) erpowers Feb 2019 OP
Well, well, well... jaysunb Feb 2019 #1
I suspected the same Beakybird Feb 2019 #2
There's no basis for this, that I see. If they had participated in falsifying a crime, ... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #3
Incorrect jberryhill Feb 2019 #9
Nope. It's a crime to falsify a crime and report it to police. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #13
They did not commit that crime jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
So you think they didn't know he'd report it to the police? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #15
I'm saying it is not necessary for them to know it would be reported to the police jberryhill Feb 2019 #22
Smollett's room-mate reported it KT2000 Feb 2019 #30
The "nobody could be that stupid" defense doesn't fly here FBaggins Feb 2019 #32
Another poster posted the correct link to the appropriate story.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #33
Or they already cut a deal madville Feb 2019 #19
For there to be a deal, there must be charges, right? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #25
Proffer, most likely. grossproffit Feb 2019 #20
It's also possible they weren't involved at all. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #26
Brothers Questioned By Police Were Paid $3,500 To Stage Attack, Which Was Rehearsed Days Before madville Feb 2019 #27
There you go. That's what an article looks like... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #28
Either way; I am guessing that the authorities razorman03038 Feb 2019 #34
How would they be released without the charge of lying to police? nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #4
Maybe they didn't lie to the police,only Jussie did. virgogal Feb 2019 #5
When did they lie to the police? madville Feb 2019 #6
They were not questioned till they got back from Nigeria ... they may not have ever lied to police 4139 Feb 2019 #7
They did not lie to the police jberryhill Feb 2019 #10
I see...and didn't think that they may not have known the police would be involved. nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #18
They didn't have to know jberryhill Feb 2019 #23
It's live on CNN right now madville Feb 2019 #8
If true, Smollett needs to check himself into an insane asylum. BlueStater Feb 2019 #11
If it was a false police report in Illinois madville Feb 2019 #12
Or report to the White House Jarqui Feb 2019 #16
or he was hoping for a gofundme bonanza Blues Heron Feb 2019 #21
Remember when... SixString Feb 2019 #17
. jberryhill Feb 2019 #24
nothing in those limited reports Swagman Feb 2019 #29
Why do think he has hired an attorney? cwydro Feb 2019 #31
A mastermind... greytdemocrat Feb 2019 #35
Nope. cwydro Feb 2019 #36

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
1. Well, well, well...
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:05 PM
Feb 2019

I took plenty heat around here for calling bullshit on this farce. The implausibility was clearly obvious, but this "hair on fire" age we live in it's to be expected.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. There's no basis for this, that I see. If they had participated in falsifying a crime, ...
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:12 PM
Feb 2019

they would have been arrested and charged.

Maybe they knew something about it, though, and gave that info.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Incorrect
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:25 PM
Feb 2019

If they thought he was doing it as a publicity stunt, they may not have even known he was going to report it to police.

In those circumstances, they committed no crime or agreed to cooperate against Smollet.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Nope. It's a crime to falsify a crime and report it to police.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:34 PM
Feb 2019

One reason is that it uses resources that can't then be used for working on real crimes, and costing the city money. They don't let things like that go.

They are adults and knew it was a crime to report a false crime. But even if they didn't, ignorance of the law is not a defense.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. They did not commit that crime
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:37 PM
Feb 2019

For all you know, Smollet told them it was a publicity stunt and they had NO IDEA that he would report it to the police.

You assume they knew he would report it to the police. There is no basis for that assumption.

It is not illegal to hire two people to beat you up.

You believe that they necessarily believed it would be reported to the police.

The police, apparently, do not share your assumption, and do not seem to have found evidence showing they knew.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. So you think they didn't know he'd report it to the police?
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:49 PM
Feb 2019

That they were so stupid as to think that a lynching attempt of a black man wouldn't be followed up by the police? I don't think anyone is that stupid.

I would think that they didn't care what the stunt was for. Just that they were going to pretend to try to lynch and strangle someone, for money. If that's what happened. Which we don't know.

If it were just a fake stunt for publicity, there would have been no need for two men to fake doing it. The guy could have just hung a rope around his neck and pretended the whole thing.

But back to my point: There simply is no evidence that the two men participated in a false crime at all. Maybe there will be. But nothing in that article supports that.

All we know is they were taken in for questioning and released. That's it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. I'm saying it is not necessary for them to know it would be reported to the police
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:34 PM
Feb 2019

And that they may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer.

It’s one thing to say “they should have known it would be reported as a crime” and it is quite another thing to prove that to a jury. Absent some communication among them about reporting it to the police, it would be very difficult to prove that was their intent.

FBaggins

(26,797 posts)
32. The "nobody could be that stupid" defense doesn't fly here
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 09:10 AM
Feb 2019

Clearly they were stupid enough to not realize that water flows downhill... clearly their “victim” was plenty stupid as well.

There simply is no evidence that the two men participated in a false crime at all

You mean... apart from their own testimony to that fact?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. Another poster posted the correct link to the appropriate story....
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 10:24 AM
Feb 2019

that, unlike the OP's, had the facts that the men said they'd been paid.

As I said, the link in hte OP says no such thing at all.

madville

(7,413 posts)
19. Or they already cut a deal
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:03 PM
Feb 2019

to be state witnesses against the person who orchestrated it. They were pawns either way, reportedly they cooperated with the police since their arrest. The only potential crime so far would be the felony of a false report to the police, which would be solely on Smollett.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. For there to be a deal, there must be charges, right?
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:46 AM
Feb 2019

In any case, the article says nothing about what people are assuming it means. We just don't know.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. It's also possible they weren't involved at all.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:50 AM
Feb 2019

It's possible that they saw something that night that peaked the interest of the police, since they were in the vicinity, but weren't involved at all in the incident. Maybe they saw two white guys leaving the area carrying rope. Or maybe they saw the guy put a rope around his own neck and walk somewhere. Who knows?

That's all I'm saying. The article gives no specifics.

madville

(7,413 posts)
27. Brothers Questioned By Police Were Paid $3,500 To Stage Attack, Which Was Rehearsed Days Before
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:57 AM
Feb 2019
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/16/sources-brothers-released-bought-rope-used-in-jussie-smollett-attack/


Jussie Smollett paid two brothers to stage an attack against him, directed them to buy items used in the alleged assault and actually rehearsed it with them, sources say.

Sources say at least one of the brothers bought the rope used in the incident at Smollett’s request. The sources also say the “Empire” actor paid for the rope, which was purchased at the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store in the Ravenswood neighborhood the weekend of Jan. 25.

The brothers, who were questioned by police this week before being released, were paid $3,500 before leaving for Nigeria and were promised an additional $500 upon their return.

Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. There you go. That's what an article looks like...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 01:02 AM
Feb 2019

when it says the men were involved. Not the one that the OP posted.

If the sources are correct, they were paid by the guy to help the guy stage the incident.

If that's true, what an incredibly stupid thing for the guy to do. His career is over, if true. Also stupid for the two men, but if they don't have much money, I can understand it.

razorman03038

(24 posts)
34. Either way; I am guessing that the authorities
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019

are granting them some leniency, in exchange for cooperation. Smollett is the one they really want.

madville

(7,413 posts)
6. When did they lie to the police?
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:21 PM
Feb 2019

Reporting a false crime to the police is a class 4 felony in Illinois. Simply lying to the local police is not a crime in most places. Hypothetically Smollett will be the one on the hook for falsely reporting a crime.

If they were pawns in the scheme they will cut a deal to testify against him obviously.

4139

(1,894 posts)
7. They were not questioned till they got back from Nigeria ... they may not have ever lied to police
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:23 PM
Feb 2019
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. They did not lie to the police
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

And likely did not know (or it can’t be proven) that Smollet planned to involve the police.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
11. If true, Smollett needs to check himself into an insane asylum.
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

No normal person would ever do something like this. He's a lunatic.

madville

(7,413 posts)
12. If it was a false police report in Illinois
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:30 PM
Feb 2019

That's a class 4 felony, sentence of 1-3 years in State prison.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
16. Or report to the White House
Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:59 PM
Feb 2019

He's proven there are no boundaries (or border walls) to his deception so he should fit right in!

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
29. nothing in those limited reports
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 04:52 AM
Feb 2019

provide proof Smollett lied apart from the alleged abuser's claims.

Mind you they appear to have been let go without bail.

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