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Wounded Bear

(58,783 posts)
1. That was an offhand response to a hypothetical question...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:07 AM
Feb 2019

I'm sure the RWers will hype it, but it's not a real issue.

backtoblue

(11,348 posts)
2. That's how I read it too
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:12 AM
Feb 2019
'Rourke said fencing has forced migrants to the most inhospitable areas of the southern border, "ensuring their suffering and death.” More than 4,000 migrants have died as a result, O'Rourke said.

"They’re dead, over the last 10 years, as we have walled off their opportunity to legally petition for asylum to cross in urban centers, like El Paso," O'Rourke said. "To be with family. To work jobs. To do what any human being should have a right to be able to do."





He seems to genuinely care about people.

jcgoldie

(11,658 posts)
4. I loved it
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:09 PM
Feb 2019

Take that issue right down Trump's throat. Trump is basing his entire 2020 campaign on an issue that all evidence and truth puts him on the wrong side of. Beto is uniquely positioned and personally experienced on this issue to take the fight to Trump. That's one reason I'm still leaning toward voting for him if he gets in. He's better on Trump's signature issue than anyone and when you hear him speak about it, its obvious he knows what he is talking about from years of close proximity and familiarity with the issue. You aren't going to win this issue by catering to the lies and fearmongering and trying to position yourself in the middle, you need to push back with the truth.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Yes, it's terrible to adopt a popular position that polls well consistently
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:20 PM
Feb 2019

It's surely going to make Bret Stephens or David Brooks mad, and we certainly can't have that!

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
8. I agree. It's one thing to say no more walls and then another to hand the opposition you saying
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:31 PM
Feb 2019

tear down the wall. That fits in quite nicely with the open borders bullshit.

DFW

(54,506 posts)
9. Beto was clever to use the words from Reagan's most famous speech.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

Vinca

(50,329 posts)
10. I thought it was well timed in a way. Not only is he from a city that's safer than anywhere
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

Trump resides, a lady along the border had just given an interview about why she doesn't want the wall and why she'll be challenging the eminent domain attempt to take her property. She said she's lived in her house for 40 years and, during that entire time, has yet to see one undocumented person crossing anywhere near her property. And that includes what she captures on her security cameras. She says she sees the border patrol going back and forth and that's about it. I doubt she'll be alone in her court challenge since Don is itching to take about a million acres of land from people along the border.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
11. First major slip up from Beto
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

This would be very damaging in a presidential race. If he plans to run he needs to do a very quick re-evaluation and make a different statement, like Matt Kuchar with the caddy situation last week. If Beto runs and became the nominee, this topic would dog him like Hillary and the emails.

Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. That is the aspect that is being overlooked. There was support for a border wall prior to Trump. It polled well, even among Democrats. Once Trump made it a centerpiece and injected cruelty, then the polling reversed. But it extremely foolhardy to look at today's news and thought process as ever lasting and a certainty. There had to be foundational reasons for the prior support. Once it becomes a focus down the home stretch of an incumbent seeking re-election, there is likelihood if not absolutely certainty of a drift back to the beginning, if not among Democrats but among swing voters.

Here is a link that describes the prior levels of support, and what caused the shift. I bookmarked this link a month ago because I well remembered the previous levels, and I'm never a believer in frantic overreaction to today as opposed to big picture logic:

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/americans-used-support-border-wall-what-changed-their-minds

madville

(7,413 posts)
12. That won't be a good clip if he is planning a 2020 TX Senate run
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:23 PM
Feb 2019

It won't play well against Cornyn with Trump also on the ticket.

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