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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Robert Kraft Scandal is Remarkable for Its Sadness
So, Kraft is a wealthy, wealthy man, right? But, he ends up going to an Asian "massage" place to have someone do something to him that gets him off? WTF? Is his arm broken? Are there not people around him who would gladly perform that service in hopes he would be grateful enough to give them some sort of reward?
I guess not. He goes to a strip mall and has a stranger do something or another to him to give him some brief pleasurable moment. He doesn't know the person. He would never publicly associate with the person. He pays his $35 or $50 and gets serviced in whatever way they do that at that strip mall.
Pitiful, Robert. Just pitiful. You own a big NFL team. You have money. You're surrounded by people who hope to somehow give you some service in exchange for a favor or some money, but you are so pitiful that you are reduced to going to an anonymous strip mall business that pretends to be a massage parlor for your relief or whatever it is to you. It sucks really bad to be you.
Odds are that the person who got you off is not there on a completely voluntary basis. She's probably here illegally, and is more or less forced to do those acts on demand or be handed over to ICE. It's called sex trafficking, Robert. It sucks to be those people. The woman, of whatever age, who relieved your sexual tension hates your guts. You are a symbol of her shame and servitude. The whole seamy, ugly mess is disgusting, and you are the most disgusting part of it.
Go away, please, Robert Kraft. Resign your position. Go into hiding.
Shame on you, you lascivious old lecher!
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)basically for being a racist old douche bag? Your move NFL.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)As much as I dislike seeing such stories on the news, I dislike the people in those stories much worse. I don't dislike the poor women who work in those places, really. Theirs is a life nobody should have to live.
Places like that offer a variety of services. I do not know what Kraft chose off the menu, and don't care. I can't imagine, though, that the results were of more than a sensation that was gone in seconds. And for that, he caused some poor person to do something she never wanted to do to him, in a place she didn't want to be, and only out of fear of some kind.
Where could the pleasure possibly be in such a thing? How could it seem to be a good idea at any time?
Ugh! Just Ugh!
radius777
(3,635 posts)Different people get off on different things, what you may find perplexing others may find hot.
Sex work should be fully legalized and regulated - world's oldest profession - better to cut the pimps and criminal element out of the game and make it safer for everyone.
Progressive Law
(617 posts)It's insincere because even if there was no human trafficking in this incident, the sex shaming remains.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Pretty please, Lord?
Traildogbob
(8,900 posts)Jerry Jones. Get him the fuck out of Dallas, and take Happy Clppy Jason as well. Did the parlor offer young boys??? Videos of Lindsay Graham maybe?🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
walkingman
(7,706 posts)Traildogbob
(8,900 posts)You made the right call. I was a fan for 20 years pre Jerry, and have tried to hold on and stay loyal, not be a bandwagon fan, but that ass has pretty much made me get the hell off the wagon, that, and Texas being Texas, i.e., Ted Cruz.
Yavin4
(35,455 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,739 posts)..the only person who would have a problem with this, would be his wife, and rightly so.
snowybirdie
(5,252 posts)These women were held against their will and were lied to. The ugly and illegal side of prostitution. Kraft could have afforded the consensual kind. He's a pig!
mahina
(17,770 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)As long as it's a choice the sex worker can make. If there is no choice, then it is the most disgusting kind of involuntary servitude. For most of the women who work in such places, there is no choice. Or, at least, they believe that there is no choice, which is the same thing, really.
However, it is always a choice for a man to go to such a place and pay for such an act. Always. It is also always a very bad, very pitiful sort of choice. I now have zero respect for Robert Kraft. He is a terrible person, and has proven that to me.
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Nevertheless, I commented on the situation. I do hope that's OK with you. Truly I do.
ETA: Oh, and by the way, thanks for your thoughtful reply.
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Your point?
Scumbags sleep well?
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)Do I need to draw you a picture?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Nope, I got that.
Glad we agree.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)is the sex that both parties enjoy at the same time and the same amount.
Anything else is abuse.
I can't imagine this happening in transactional sex.
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Progressive Law
(617 posts)So you do have a problem with sex work regardless of whether human trafficking is involved, or not.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Phony massage places, trafficking, and all. That's sad.
Progressive Law
(617 posts)...and nothing about human trafficking.
"So, Kraft is a wealthy, wealthy man, right? But, he ends up going to an Asian "massage" place to have someone do something to him that gets him off? WTF? Is his arm broken? Are there not people around him who would gladly perform that service in hopes he would be grateful enough to give them some sort of reward?
I guess not. He goes to a strip mall and has a stranger do something or another to him to give him some brief pleasurable moment. He doesn't know the person. He would never publicly associate with the person. He pays his $35 or $50 and gets serviced in whatever way they do that at that strip mall.
Pitiful, Robert. Just pitiful. You own a big NFL team. You have money. You're surrounded by people who hope to somehow give you some service in exchange for a favor or some money, but you are so pitiful that you are reduced to going to an anonymous strip mall business that pretends to be a massage parlor for your relief or whatever it is to you. It sucks really bad to be you. "
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Women in the type of place that he went to are not always there by choice.
If you are taking about people that offer the services and are drug free and doing it of their free will, then you have a stronger case. But not in this situation.
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Submariner
(12,515 posts)He took the loss of his soul mate quite hard. At that time Trump started calling him weekly for about a year to check up on him to cheer him up. Kraft's a life-long Democrat and in New England we believe that is when Trump got into the Brady, Belichick circle jerk with Kraft. Not a good look.
After Kraft's wife died, he got into the wrong (Trump) circle of friends and this is how it ends up. Sad story.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Im sure shes charmed by his character too.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:18 PM - Edit history (1)
About 10 years ago there was a prostitute in MA who got into trouble with the law because she was said to have extorted a john that was a wealthy businessman and philanthropist. She was approached by a tabloid to sell the story. She went to him and asked for a million bucks. He gave her $280,000. When she came back for more he went to the police. She never named the john. It was widely speculated to be Kraft.
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/02/21/judge_accepts_plea_deal_in_sex_case/
theboss
(10,491 posts)They are still going to often be in the control of someone else - except now with possibly more legal coverage.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Legalize and regulate with a robust inspection regime.
theboss
(10,491 posts)Squinch
(51,090 posts)LisaM
(27,863 posts)I think her death was hard on him, not excusing the exploitation at these places, which is a way larger issue, but I think that there is a sadness here, too.
Squinch
(51,090 posts)Or were you one of those who thinks its all girls working their way through college?
Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)These places are sick and perverted. I absolutely hate when people snicker and call them rub and tugs are some other sophomoric name. And I will hate it and be disgusted when comedians and talk show hosts make jokes about it.
These places are where young sex slaves are sold to sick perverts a half hour or an hour at a time. These men are responsible for this business thriving. They are sex criminals and should have to pay a much stiffer price including being placed on the sex offender registry.
And what irks me even more is that when one of these places gets busted, the ages of the victims is seldom reported, there is no doubt there were underage victims and some of these men are effectively pedophiles.
This isn't a joke, if you pay money to these places you are financing slavery.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)And everywhere there are, men pay to have their urges satisfied, never thinking about the person who is doing is done. Only infrequently are such places shut down or is there a prosecution, and they open right back up again in a new location.
Why? Because there are those men. Men for whom momentary pleasure is worth more than the dignity and freedom of another human being. Such men are beyond loathsome.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)Were sex slaves?
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)So, he may not have known, but if he had, it wouldn't matter to him, either.
mitch96
(13,947 posts)The sad thing is he probably is going to buy him self out of any problem. Just some bad press that will go away in the next news cycle... Poor go to jail, rich get inconvenienced...
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MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)Didn't know they were sex slaves? Of course he knew exactly what they were, pretty girls forced to gratify him for money. If you don't know that massage parlor girls like this are not of their of their own free will you're an idiot. Kraft isn't an idiot and probably gets off on the fact the girls don't have a choice and can't say no.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)And I don't appreciate being called an idiot.
mitch96
(13,947 posts)Probably against the TOS also...
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Been documented over and over.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)at them who are likely there against their will.
I believe that prostitution should be legalized and regulated, but the type of place that Kraft went to and many others and pimps have to be shut down. Regulated brothels would be ok, but states and localities would have to approve them and the state and Feds would have to routinely inspect and regulate them.
okaawhatever
(9,479 posts)blackmail you, and if they try you can have them deported. In most instances I'll bet 5k sent to the parents of these girls would make everything go away.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)And it's up to decent men to shame them too. While I don't think anyone I know goes to these places I have heard people make light of them. It's my duty to let anyone know this is not a joke, there are real victims at these places, many of them children.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)There was a guy I knew who invited me to go to a "titty bar" in Las Vegas during a convention there. He said he was going to get a "lap dance." I declined the invitation, and pointedly asked him what his wife, who I also knew, would think about someone grinding her ass on his lap. He decided not to go, either, or at least told me he wasn't.
I don't know, but such things have never interested me. When I lived in Turkey, courtesy of the USAF, there was a brothel not far from the little remote base I was stationed at. It was run by the Turkish government, and the women in it were paying off court judgments or fines. Some of the other men at that base went there regularly. I couldn't even imagine doing that. It would have violated my common sense, as well as my sense of outrage at women being forced to work as prostitutes by the government to pay their debts.
After a while, I finally started shutting guys who told me about their trips to the "compound" by pointing out those things. They stopped telling me about it. I don't think they stopped visiting the brothel, though.
Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)I've been to them for bachelor parties and because I once knew a girl who was a waitress at one, never once got a dance, and I've always looked at the men who get dances at strip clubs as pathetic.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I've been to a couple of Vegas shows that had some nudity in them, but that's not quite the same thing. There was no mingling of the audience with the performers.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He fined out, did no time and life for him went on as usual. That was the sad part, the women that serviced him likely lived in dumps and did not have a choice but to service him.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)So who exactly was doing the trafficking?
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)I once saw him get pissed off because there was sausage on his pizza. Four pizzas to be exact. All of the pizzas had to be removed from his presence they were so offensive. I of course did not dare point out to him that he ordered four sausage pizzas. Another time it was filet mignon. Not just a piece of steak but the whole loin. He and his family had a habit of just throwing things away unused. I'm not sure what kind of game it was for them but they definitely got a kick out of doing that. He was also a notorious non tipper. Not one penny. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that he went discount for this. He treats everyone like he help because that's how he sees everyone. This is no different.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Hmmm. Kind of reminds me of somebody else.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)are such good friends. The thing is I've met other billionaires who weren't assholes and I've met others who were. He's the one who always stood out to me the most. He's the stereotypical ugly rich person. It's amusing to me but not surprising he got caught doing this.
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)This sounds made up.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)The guys that ran the scoreboard were grateful for the pizza and filet. Myra was reading a book during the game and threw it in the trash when she left.
I've met most of the NFL team owners through an old job. Jeff Lurie, Jerry Jones, the Spanos boys father and the DeBartolos were some of my favorites.
malaise
(269,328 posts)I'm curious about who got them the visas for some other job and put them in these parlors.
Word is that they had to sleep on the massage beds and had no proper cooking facilities. What's more the poor women had language issues so they were virtual slaves.
And yes these men are more than sad - they are complicit in human trafficking.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Probably many of those who are forced to work in such places are here on tourist visas, but who were brought here for that specific purpose. Sadly, when ICE finds them, they are treated as criminals, rather than the victims they are. They are summarily deported with no resources and typically end up dead or returned under another name to the same kind of situation.
I don't blame the women in any way. I blame those who traffic in them, but most of all I blame the men who pay for such services and keep such places in business. For them, I have only utter contempt.
malaise
(269,328 posts)the cruelty to illegal immigrants - entitled self-indulgent scumbags.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)That's how I always heard Dylan's lyrics. Don't think twice; it's alright. The "If you" at the beginning of the line is assumed, in my mind, always.
Perhaps the goal for Kraft was complete and utter emotional and, perhaps, even physical detachment from the act. I can't say I understand that, but it could be. There's something wrong in his head, is what I think.
malaise
(269,328 posts)Perhaps the goal for Kraft was complete and utter emotional and, perhaps, even physical detachment from the act.
With all that wealth, he's terrified of the thought of having to share it.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Someone else brought that up, and I commented on it, near the bottom of the thread.
I suggested that he might not be able to "perform" when he feels he's dealing with a real person who might mock him in some way. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes perfect sense.
malaise
(269,328 posts)but may go public about it - the emotional side of it does make sense.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Would not surprise me.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)malaise
(269,328 posts)This and Epstein could be their pizzagates.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)He said the girls went for a walk once a day and looked so malnourished that he tried to offer them some pizza. He said they wouldn't even look at him let alone talk. That was all they did, go for a walk once a day and not look at or speak to anyone.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)but I recall stories from the Seattle-Tacoma area from three or four decades ago involving sham marriages. They would pay a US GI stationed in Korea to "marry" a woman there, then bring her back to the US when his hitch was up. She would be separated from him, he might file for divorce based on desertion, and she would be given a fake ID and have to pay back the Korean mob from her earnings.
She might have been able to keep some of the tips, and some made their way to a successful life in the US by that path.
madaboutharry
(40,247 posts)Hes a degenerate pig. He needs to be shunned, not pitied.
BTW, I have great respect for you MineralMan, but please dont find this story sad....except for the unfortunate women who find themselves in that place.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I hold men who patronize such places in complete contempt. I am sad, though, because the odds are that Robert Kraft and people like him will go on with their lives, unpunished and unrepentant.
I don't know how to adequately punish men like Robert Kraft. I can think of one thing that might wake them up. Convince their daughter to punish him by being the person in the room he sees as walks into in one of those places. Now, there would be poetic justice. Let him see it as it truly is. He is paying to have someone's daughter get him off.
Now, that would be one way to possibly teach that lesson.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)It is a place where men of means (most times) go to get a young Asian girl (late teens- 20's). It's a sick, power play that involves abusing females who don't have the ability to say no.
All of these places are obscene and I'd wager involved in sexual trade trafficking of young females.
There is a network of communications that exist where sickos can find locations and code words (and procedures) to use to get prostitutes to service them.
It's a real sick scene and I'm way too familiar with it for my liking. I hope this case shines a light that helps to end this practice.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I have seen their storefronts, though, in low-end strip malls. There are many here in the Twin Cities. Perhaps some are legitimate. I don't know. Very few, though, I think.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Remember the Hugh Grant prostitution thing from way back? He was dating Elizabeth Hurley, one of the most attractive women on the planet, and even if that wasn't enough, as a handsome wealthy movie star, he could very easily have found any number of women with whom to have a non-paid affairs. Instead he went to a prostitute who was working the streets.
Robert Kraft likewise, could have found a willing person who he didn't have to pay for sex. He could have found the exact same kind of sex. But it wasn't the sex. The creepiness of the whole thing is what he was looking for.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Perhaps, too, in some cases, there is self-loathing that is involved. I don't understand that, either, but I know such people exist - people who do things to actually enhance that self-loathing.
I think this is about power. I think the Hugh Grant thing was also about power. I think a lot of prostitution is about power. Your wife/girlfriend can say no to certain things, whether it is no to the time, or no to the act. Prostitutes pretty much so cannot say no because they is being paid to provide a service.
Other than that it could be that Robert Kraft does not want to get married again and does not want to have a real connection with another woman. Prostitution allows him to get sex without having a connection to a woman.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)didn't use some expensive escort service with exotic dancers, porn stars, etc..
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Too much interaction. I'm assuming he was looking for an anonymous, quick thing he didn't have to work at all for.
I can't see the attraction in that, or even in the expensive escort thing. I just can't. It seems like a worthless thing, altogether, really.
getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)Any internet based escort ad is almost instantly busted or is a sting operation. I remember years ago they actually had ads in the yellow pages. Not anymore.
Fact is, finding escorts is a riskier and riskier endeavor - by design. Street walkers are probably the last refuge, and police are targeting them and their john's as well.
Craigslist is gone. Backpage is gone. Personals are gone. I guess it must all be on apps these days, but if they get any type of success, the authorities will shut them down quickly.
Sure, it still goes on. But I'm told it is not easy to find. Unless you are very rich that is. They always seem to be able to find what they want.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)Eros is still there, but the erotic review, where agencies and girls were reviewed was also taken down in United States...
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)I was crossing the street, when I heard a voice crossing the intersecting street towards me call out, "Hey, baby, you wanna date?" (It was 3 a.m., and nobody else was about, in case you are wondering how I knew she was talking to me.) My response: "Sorry, sweetheart, but I play for the other team." "Oh," she said, a small note of annoyance in her voice.
radius777
(3,635 posts)to him, doing something taboo/illegal that a "proper man" of his stature should not do.
hunter
(38,353 posts)I'll bet his nether regions shrivel up and go into hiding whenever he's around women who are not intimidated by him.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)It's entirely possible that he is unable to perform unless it's in a situation where he has nothing whatever to do with the other person. You could be exactly right.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)snowybirdie
(5,252 posts)tawdry is!
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)That part is sad. It is sad that such a sex trafficking business can exist. What is sad is that we human beings are capable of taking advantage of people in such ways.
That's the sadness of which I speak. There's another word for what I think of the people who run such places and the people who patronize them, and it's a lot more negative than just tawdry. For example, I find extensive cleavage in work environments to be tawdry. This story is so far beyond tawdry that I find it difficult to find just the right adjective. Indefensible comes to mind. Disgusting, filthy, obscene and heartless also come to mind, but are inadequate.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Is Robert Kraft not a Republican? He certainly acts like one.
maryellen99
(3,790 posts)Shes been with him since 2012.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Rich people's arrangements are sometimes strange.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I don't understand why such men do these things, maybe it gets them off to do something to a woman that their wives or girlfriends won't allow. His partner is a drop dead gorgeous, model and businesswoman, but he goes to get off with a woman who, like you said, likely is being forced to provide sexual services to him. It all is sickening, absolutely sickening and distressful, my heart aches for the women that are forced to do what he went to the place for.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)He will simply shrug it off, pay any fine he has to pay, and keep right on doing the same things. I know nothing about his relationship with his "partner." It may be on a different basis than sexual.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That is the sad part, he should pay a stiffer penalty.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Not an image the NFL should allow.
bluedigger
(17,091 posts)A misdemeanor like this definitely calls for a Walk of Atonement.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)a reader of those books. Thanks for the reference. I understand it now.
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)Terrific analogy.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)Imagine being lured to the United States on the promise of a better life and being enslaved as a prostitute instead. Kraft needs to pony up a large pile of loot to help the women . . . and not refill his Viagra prescription. Of course, coming from the world of Trump, he'll proclaim his innocence as the video plays showing him handing over the cash for a blow job.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Perhaps the law against patronizing establishments that engage in sex trafficking should include a fine that is the forfeiture of some percentage of your net worth. Maybe 10-15%. In the case of Kraft, that would be a sizable sum. The fine would be distributed to the victims to help them establish themselves in some other pursuit.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and several inches taller.
getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)She's gonna get a bunch of his money and a new boyfriend.....
Mosby
(16,422 posts)They aren't married.
Do you think she dates him because he is a super nice, smart, attractive guy?
getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)Breach of promise, exposing her to diseases without warning, emotional distress, lying to her...
Unlesss they had an ironclad non-nuptual agreement, a good lawyer can extract money in a civil suit. He won't be a very sympathetic defendent in court.
Squinch
(51,090 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)As if the women involved in these relationships don't know what's up.
The trophy girlfriend is there to show her off, and the rich old dude is a trophy boyfriend to fund her lavish lifestyle. Usually neither cares who the other fucks, as long as each gets what they want out the basic 'deal'.
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Squinch
(51,090 posts)getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)Just pointing out that the workers involved were not kids. Nor were they particularly attractive. At least from the mug shots posted.
I don't know why he was there, but it wasn't to find a super model.
It always amazes me how very successful and rich men will risk everything for sex with any woman they can pay. It happens over and over. This isn't about the woman to them. Whatever it is about.
Squinch
(51,090 posts)belittling of the victim is disgusting.
janx
(24,128 posts)getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)a discussion of woman as objects?
janx
(24,128 posts)I'm afraid I can't help you. Your post just illustrated the problem.
japple
(9,850 posts)they can pay." When I saw the picture, my first response was "that's a man." Not agreeing with anything you are saying, but do the same rules apply if this this was a boy or man?
getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)Fwiw, the pic I posted wasn't a sex worker - it was one of the operators charged with running the operation.
But yes, the same applies to men. People looking to pay for sex don't always use "looks" as the primary criteria, for whatever reason it isn't a primary driver in every case.
Maybe they are attracted to their providers though. Minds work in funny ways.
Just as rape isn't about sex, prostitution isn't about looks in a lot of cases. There are other motivators. I'm not an expert. I don't hire other people for sex. So maybe I just lack the experience.
Apologies to anyone set back on their heels.
Squinch
(51,090 posts)Ilsa
(61,720 posts)for his girlfriend decades ago, and the rumors about socialite women and Dick Cheney on his hunting trip in south Texas. These men messed around with women who had something to lose, their social standing, if they ever made their dirty laundry public. Whereas Bill Clinton, when he was much younger and not wealthy, would approach someone like Paula Jones, who "smelt money" once she had a nasty story to tell about a powerful man.
Kraft is an idiot. He could have hired a proper sex worker and paid for her discretion.
mainer
(12,037 posts)Those strip malls seem like the place you'd go to if you wanted no one to know who you are.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)and spoke little to no English they would have no idea who he was. That might be part of the attraction for him.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Most high priced escorts both from a service or independent are far more discreet.
Mr.Bill
(24,373 posts)One pays them to leave when the act is finished and not tell anyone.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,522 posts)ethical as any that are possible under the current brand of USian capitalism. I do have a problem with him paying money to assault trafficked victims.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)Reuters) - Florida prosecutors on Monday filed formal charges against Robert Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots football team, and about two dozen other men for soliciting prostitution at massage parlors, authorities said on Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-robert-kraft/patriots-owner-kraft-formally-charged-in-florida-prostitution-sting-idUSKCN1QE2BA