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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:47 PM Feb 2019

I'm confused by how many third-party voters support ranked-choice voting

It's like, "I know things will be better if my vote ends up counting for the major party closer to my views, but I can't be asked to actually cast that vote."

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I'm confused by how many third-party voters support ranked-choice voting (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2019 OP
In theory, it gives the 3rd party candidate a better chance marylandblue Feb 2019 #1
Nah still throwing away your vote...you end up electing the Republican. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #14
I'd think the only people who would be against ranked-choice voting would be the Rs catrose Feb 2019 #2
Right, it's specifically meant to prevent a Donald Trump or Angus King or David Cameron Recursion Feb 2019 #3
Ranked Choice voting would have helped Trump... brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
Under a first past the poll system Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #4
The idea that IRV gives them more viability is based on a very tenuous unproved assumption Recursion Feb 2019 #6
Well we would have to try it to find out. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #9
How does ranked choice voting work? keithbvadu2 Feb 2019 #5
It gives people a way to vote for the candidates they want without throwing it away kcr Feb 2019 #7
No. This gives to much opportuity for the GOP to ratfuck in states where you ask for a ballot on Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #13
Most people aren't smart enough to pull that off... Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #8
I think you meant "some people", but Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #10
No, I meant most. Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #19
:) How many do you know? And what sources have Hortensis Feb 2019 #12
It works for us(Australia) Thyla Feb 2019 #15
I read a lovely quote some years ago canetoad Feb 2019 #18
Ha, there is wisdom in that. Thyla Feb 2019 #20
It could work, but... not_the_one Feb 2019 #16
It worked for the Democrat in a Maine House district. marylandblue Feb 2019 #17

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
1. In theory, it gives the 3rd party candidate a better chance
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:50 PM
Feb 2019

And in practice, it allows you register displeasure with the main party candidates without throwing away your vote.

catrose

(5,079 posts)
2. I'd think the only people who would be against ranked-choice voting would be the Rs
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:25 PM
Feb 2019

because they're like that.

I particularly like the idea that you can cut off your choices at any point, as in
1. Hillary
2. Gary
3. Jill
4. NOBODY (or as we say for awards ceremonies, Noah Ward)
In my fantasy, NOBODY would have won before DT.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Right, it's specifically meant to prevent a Donald Trump or Angus King or David Cameron
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 PM
Feb 2019

Somebody strongly opposed by a majority but strongly supported by a plurality.

brooklynite

(95,043 posts)
11. Ranked Choice voting would have helped Trump...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:51 AM
Feb 2019

The Green voters who hated Hillary would have voted for Stein first and Trump second.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. The idea that IRV gives them more viability is based on a very tenuous unproved assumption
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:59 AM
Feb 2019
ie that there exist large groups of people who, say, vote Democrat out of fear of Republicans winning but really in their hearts prefer the Greens (or swap that with GOP and Libertarians). I know you probably have to think that to support one of the non-major parties, but the evidence for that actually being true is pretty slim.

Voltaire2

(13,289 posts)
9. Well we would have to try it to find out.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:43 AM
Feb 2019

What it would do is end candidates winning with a plurality. That alone is enough for me.

kcr

(15,329 posts)
7. It gives people a way to vote for the candidates they want without throwing it away
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:44 AM
Feb 2019

Those who want to support a third party with their vote but understand math might welcome ranked-choice.

Demsrule86

(68,861 posts)
13. No. This gives to much opportuity for the GOP to ratfuck in states where you ask for a ballot on
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:06 PM
Feb 2019

the day you vote.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. :) How many do you know? And what sources have
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

been feeding them whatever they will accept on this subject?

My personal experience is that most third-party voters are dysfunctional thinkers, or perhaps I should say reactors. They're definitely emotionally engaged, but finding and processing genuine information is a major problem for them, as is the reactionary spite many develop toward mainstream people who don't appreciate their wisdom.

Like rabid trumpsters, it's more than just being terminally clueless. That one main party is is busy getting universal healthcare for them and the other uses extreme cruelty to children as a government policy somehow are either completely blocked from mind or through some weird mental alchemy turned into conviction that there's no significant difference.

Thyla

(791 posts)
15. It works for us(Australia)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

Kind of. It seems sensible in theory and is kind of fun, in practice it pisses me off but that is more the choice of candidates than the system.
That said 90 percent of people don't even bother and vote by party preferences so it may as well be first past the post.

And again I am aware it is a vastly different system and it's also one where independents and minor parties can influence real change so that helps.

canetoad

(17,218 posts)
18. I read a lovely quote some years ago
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:13 PM
Feb 2019

To paraphrase, our preferential voting system does not elect the people most liked. Rather, it elects the ones LEAST despised!

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
16. It could work, but...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:51 PM
Feb 2019

wouldn't this type of vote tally have to be conducted by a computer? And there-in lies the problem.

Until we can guarantee that it can't be hacked, the republicans and/or ruskies will figure out how to do just that.

It would sure work better than the current system.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
17. It worked for the Democrat in a Maine House district.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:05 PM
Feb 2019

The Dem was second choice for enough people that it swung the election to him. It won't always work in our favor, but I am satisfied that the outcome better represents the majority of voters.

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