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nolabear

(42,007 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:56 AM Feb 2019

Eye opening article about how the world is designed for men, and how women suffer for it.

This is the kind of thing that comes up now and then, but the scope of it, when you think of it, is stunning. Our lives are harder, less safe and our progress is slowed because we live in a world that still thinks of us as “other,” even in places we predominate. A good, infuriating read.

“When broadcaster Sandi Toksvig was studying anthropology at university, one of her female professors held up a photograph of an antler bone with 28 markings on it. “This,” said the professor, “is alleged to be man’s first attempt at a calendar.” Toksvig and her fellow students looked at the bone in admiration. “Tell me,” the professor continued, “what man needs to know when 28 days have passed? I suspect that this is woman’s first attempt at a calendar.”


https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/feb/23/truth-world-built-for-men-car-crashes?CMP=share_btn_fb&__twitter_impression=true

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Eye opening article about how the world is designed for men, and how women suffer for it. (Original Post) nolabear Feb 2019 OP
K&R WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #1
Must Read - fascinating malaise Feb 2019 #2
K&R MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #3
Excellent, particularly the safety and medical issues! ananda Feb 2019 #4
Yes, I knew about medical research. Safety research shouldn't have surprised me. nolabear Feb 2019 #10
The more I read it the sadder I got. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #5
It seems more like one step forward, two steps back, BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #41
Aviation Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #6
Good point. We also have better fine motor skills on average. nolabear Feb 2019 #11
Exactly. Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #13
My husband was an Ergonomist before he retired leftieNanner Feb 2019 #40
But there are plenty of women pilots out there Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #77
3% is plenty? Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #79
So why aren't more of them getting into it, then? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #80
The truth Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #81
how so? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #82
Outstanding article. Worth the time! -nt CrispyQ Feb 2019 #7
The usual story isn't "just any 28 days." Igel Feb 2019 #8
And what about the rest of the article? nolabear Feb 2019 #9
Kick malaise Feb 2019 #18
Amazing. K&R mountain grammy Feb 2019 #12
Fantastic article. liberalmuse Feb 2019 #14
Just saw this image on twitter ... Jarqui Feb 2019 #15
The stats on women in film show how far we still have to go. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #16
This chart is an eye-opener !! Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2019 #60
This is a very good article. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #17
back in high school KT2000 Feb 2019 #29
Well, this is actually a fascinating history. Way back when, PatrickforO Feb 2019 #38
Excellent post malaise Feb 2019 #53
guess I was lied to - KT2000 Feb 2019 #63
Kicking to read later. n/t demmiblue Feb 2019 #19
Women are "47% more likely to be seriously injured in a car crash." SunSeeker Feb 2019 #20
men just have more sex on the wrong brain, and until that's recognized and fixed certainot Feb 2019 #21
This is Just a Start McKim Feb 2019 #22
Oh absolutely! The more you think the more you realize. nolabear Feb 2019 #45
One pet peeve for women is the damn seat belts in cars! lunatica Feb 2019 #23
This is something I have noticed as well. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #31
I can empathize Duppers Feb 2019 #36
Dang, what a good idea! murielm99 Feb 2019 #39
I remodeled my kitchen 6 years ago MontanaMama Feb 2019 #76
That's a really good idea! I've got shelves I haven't reached in years. nolabear Feb 2019 #50
That is so clever LittleGirl Feb 2019 #66
Seatbelts make me insane! Why aren't we pitching more fits about these things? nolabear Feb 2019 #46
Yes, all of this. TeapotInATempest Feb 2019 #71
K&R. Great Thread! Duppers Feb 2019 #24
The most striking example, to me, was the one about Viagra. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #25
Stunning malaise Feb 2019 #26
However, I am sure if it ever ever came on the market to treat period pain, women smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #32
Don't forget the "pink tax" too. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #42
Would feed costing more in smaller bags also be a pink tax? Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #49
I personally don't think that the smaller size/more money thing is BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #54
I want men to get a painful period at least once crazycatlady Feb 2019 #52
I want them to be able to get pregnant. Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2019 #59
And birth control pills would be sold in vending machines mercuryblues Feb 2019 #64
Passed out on bathroom floor from pain Lars39 Feb 2019 #69
No kidding TeapotInATempest Feb 2019 #72
Totally infuriating isn't it Lars39 Feb 2019 #73
I get tired of arguing about it. ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #27
K N R-ed Faux pas Feb 2019 #28
One word. Pockets. brush Feb 2019 #30
AMIRITE??? nolabear Feb 2019 #47
PREACH IT!!! n/t TygrBright Feb 2019 #56
Amen, Sister! Retrograde Feb 2019 #65
I buy male LittleGirl Feb 2019 #67
I remember being in a whole thread about that last year!!! BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #70
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #33
Crash-test dummies underpants Feb 2019 #34
Particularly stunning is how this is being perpetuated and maybe even amplified in modern design. suffragette Feb 2019 #35
excellent post, excellent thread...... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2019 #37
Ain't that the truth. nolabear Feb 2019 #48
Wow. You can track your copper and molybdenum intake but not your periods. mainer Feb 2019 #43
And I feel dumb not even thinking about it. nolabear Feb 2019 #51
wow. The ridiculousness really smacks you in the face. mainer Feb 2019 #44
Misogyny is in the design of just about everything. It's structural, invisible, ubiquitous. n/t TygrBright Feb 2019 #55
I Don't Think RobinA Feb 2019 #83
Kicking to read later. nt. Dem2theMax Feb 2019 #57
I'm going to dive into this later when I can concentrate on it. demigoddess Feb 2019 #58
Three words: Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2019 #61
Wife gets every side effect zipplewrath Feb 2019 #78
Simple-- Men write all the Bibles and then from there it's all downhill for women. Doitnow Feb 2019 #62
Paint cans! LittleGirl Feb 2019 #68
I don't think men can even realize TeapotInATempest Feb 2019 #74
You might be surprised Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #75

littlemissmartypants

(22,871 posts)
5. The more I read it the sadder I got.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:35 AM
Feb 2019

We really haven't come a long way baby. Thanks for the post nolabear. ❤

Johnny2X2X

(19,294 posts)
6. Aviation
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:43 AM
Feb 2019

Great read. While this talks about the disadvantages for women of design not taking their physiology into consideration, the article doesn’t mention the missed opportunities too. I work in aviation, this is a field that from he start should have been designed for women. In its early stages cutting weight off from everything on an airplane was the main focus, much of modern technology is based off from designs for aircraft to be lightweight. Women being smaller on average should have been a no brainer, they should have made up the bulk of early pilots.

And even today, most small aircraft have quite small cockpits. Just this weekend I was in a light aircraft and between me and the pilot we weigh close to 450 lbs. If you drop something, you might as well wait until you land to try to find it. We were constantly squeezing around each other to pull levers for trim or flip switches. Come to think of it, that cockpit is basically designed for 2 average sized women. It would have been much easier and safer for the average woman. And military aircraft goes doubly, they’re getting those pilots into those cockpits with a shoehorn. Bigger men aren’t even options, so why aren’t most military pilots women?

Not only are things designed poorly for women to use, they’re designed poorly to take advantage of women’s physiologic strengths, and even if they are we still don’t employ women enough in those spaces.

nolabear

(42,007 posts)
11. Good point. We also have better fine motor skills on average.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:07 PM
Feb 2019

Now and then that is taken good advantage of, but not as often as it should be.

Johnny2X2X

(19,294 posts)
13. Exactly.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:39 PM
Feb 2019

So many missed opportunities for improvement and better efficiency. There are cognitive differences on average between male and female too that could have been taken advantage of and weren’t because so many things were only designed with men in mind. We’ve basically spent 140 years since the industrial revolution missing out because things were designed with only half the population in mind. It’s as much about missed opportunities as it is about inconveniences and slights.

The society today that best recognizes how to design to take advantage of both sexes’ strengths can really realize a competitive advantage.

leftieNanner

(15,207 posts)
40. My husband was an Ergonomist before he retired
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:41 PM
Feb 2019

and he had to deal with issues like this all the time, particularly in manufacturing facilities. Most times, things are designed to accommodate an average size man. (Think the design of a seat etc. for a bus driver.) Employers are often loath to provide adjustments to their equipment so that women can work, even though it's frequently fairly simple and inexpensive.

Johnny2X2X

(19,294 posts)
79. 3% is plenty?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:18 PM
Feb 2019

3% globally.
7 % of US pilot licenses are held by women
4.4% of airline pilots are women.

Those numbers are pathetic. It should be 50%, and given that women should have been the majority of pilots when air travel was being developed, it should be even higher. It's a profession that from the start should have been dominated by women.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
80. So why aren't more of them getting into it, then?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:55 PM
Feb 2019

And women pilots have been a thing almost since the birth of flight so there's no taboo or shock value here...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
82. how so?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:52 AM
Feb 2019

I know a couple of women with PPLs and neither of them said sexism stood in the way of flight school....

Igel

(35,390 posts)
8. The usual story isn't "just any 28 days."
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:51 AM
Feb 2019

But keeping track of the Moon. That's a calendar; but it's also helpful to keep track of when it's going to be bright enough to hunt at night or dark.

Or perhaps there's something religious involved--that's the usual fallback for anything we can't otherwise explain. On the other hand, I find it eerily coincidental that the word for the constellation in Europe just happens to be "the wagon" in just the areas where wagons occupied a rather large portion of the burial rite, and that the Pole Star figured in some myths about where you'd go after you died. Wagons weren't always around; but when they spread, they didn't just spread to those particular areas. So there was something religious going on--it's not always a fool's explanation.

Note that we can adapt Toksvig's question: What man needs to know when there's going to be an eclipse? But "we" invested a lot of effort into predicting such things. But note that everybody always has to see themselves in what they're looking at. I liked Jakobson's view: Don't let your personal history dictate your research. That's the problem when many men investigate something; it's not like it's a cognitive defect associated with just the Y chromosome.

(Personally I always found this a bit sketchy. But at least they tried to correlate the way that the 28 days were broken up into something useful--in some cases, the length or thickness of the marks correlates not to menstrual flow over the course of 28 days but to the brightness of the Moon. I always have wondered about what's not reported--how many bones are found with 20 or 35 marks, and are they just noticing those with 28 because of cognitive bias?)

Then there are strange things like this, which would, for a disproportionate few, make the point moot. However, note that while a woman's cycle may be irregular for reasons other than pregnancy, the Moon's cycle has been pretty consistent part from the occasional eclipse.

And, we all know, the lunar cycle isn't actually 28 days. Any more than the menstrual cycle is, for most women.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
14. Fantastic article.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:42 PM
Feb 2019

It had me saying, “holy shit!” Out loud a few times. At the most superficial, I know why the women in our family keep dropping their large smartphones. As a woman, I just hadn’t thought about a lot of the things brought up in this article. It’s time to change that.

SunSeeker

(51,814 posts)
16. The stats on women in film show how far we still have to go.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:08 PM
Feb 2019

Only 30.8% of speaking characters are women; 

28.8% of women wore sexually revealing clothes, as opposed to 7% of men; 

26.2% of women actors get partially naked, while 9.4% of men do; 

10.7% of films feature a balanced cast where half of characters are female. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=532148

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
17. This is a very good article.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:14 PM
Feb 2019

My wife did laugh, though, when I told her that according to the article, she spends 2.3X more time on the toilet than me, she laughed and said, "Yeah, right."

Still, the part about auto safety is quite sobering. This is why we need regulation imposed by a strong government - as long as CEOs of publicly held companies have to act with the primacy of the shareholder in mind, corporations will have to be forced to do the right thing for worker, consumer and environmental safety.

The problem is that even WITH those strong government regulations, we're only really putting a bandaid on the real problem. If nations forced publicly held companies incorporated within their boundaries to expand fiduciary responsibility beyond mere shareholder earnings to encompass the welfare of workers, consumers and the environment, it would solve a huge number of problems - because instead of trying to put regulatory bandaids on the real problem, we'd be addressing the root cause.

Interesting that Elizabeth Warren, a woman, introduced legislation, called 'the Accountable Capitalism Act' that would do just that. Of course the Republicans are ridiculing it and Wall Street is saying that (gasp, shudder) it will destroy capitalism. But, no, it would merely make those doing business a bit more accountable to their communities in which they do business as well as their labor force.

Corporations are NOT people and dollars are NOT free speech.

KT2000

(20,605 posts)
29. back in high school
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:11 PM
Feb 2019

I remember being taught that businesses were given the ability to incorporate and enjoy tax advantages on the condition they include responsibility for the common good. It was to be included in the articles of incorporation. I guess we were lied to, especially after Jack Welch became the guru of American business. Not that it was not done before, but he instilled the notion that business is only for profit and the greater good is the "shareholder."

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
38. Well, this is actually a fascinating history. Way back when,
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:12 PM
Feb 2019

Henry Ford developed an assembly line at his plant and dramatically raised the wages of his workers, reasoning that in order to sell cars, people had to be able to afford them.

However, the Brothers Dodge weren't having it, and they sued because raising worker wages cut into their profits as shareholders. It went all the way to the MI Supreme Court, where the Dodge brothers won. In 1919, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that Henry Ford "had to operate the Ford Motor Company in the interests of its shareholders, rather than in a charitable manner for the benefit of his employees or customers."

So there you have it.

I looked more into this, and read some current articles, one of which maintained the the 'primacy of shareholder' doctrine is pretty ensconced in American business law. Here's an interesting educational link on its pros and cons: https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/business-law/chapter-shareholder-primacy-theory-summary-law-essays.php.

This is why I really like Elizabeth Warren. A lot. As economist, I can tell you she totally gets it, and we can judge her by the quality of her enemies, and the Wall Street greed-lizards both hate and fear her.

But yeah, I see the shareholder primacy doctrine as the root cause of much of the evils and inequities that beset our society. Expand that (and enforce it) and you cure a lot of ills.

KT2000

(20,605 posts)
63. guess I was lied to -
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:38 AM
Feb 2019

This is incredible that the courts ruled this way. Ford was planning long term and the shareholder primacy is short term. To me this is why China will assume first economic position in the world. They are long term planners and have patience to see it through. Americans doing business there see that as a weakness but they will be surprised and whine like babies when their cheap ride comes to an end.

By Dodge brothers, they were shareholders and not owners of Dodge auto manufacturing I assume. I got a 404 on the link but I will look around the site for the pro and con essay.

Yes, Elizabeth Warren sees how the economy works against the middle and lower classes and wants to protect them (us) from the ongoing raid. If she can get a national audience people will respond well to what she has to say. Now it seems it is all about her DNA, which is ridiculous.

SunSeeker

(51,814 posts)
20. Women are "47% more likely to be seriously injured in a car crash."
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:39 PM
Feb 2019

It is infuriating that not only is that not common knowledge, but we are doing nothing about it. We simply do not value women. As the article also points out, women "do 75% of the world’s unpaid care." We take care of others, for free, but society does not take care of us.


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
21. men just have more sex on the wrong brain, and until that's recognized and fixed
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:43 PM
Feb 2019

humans are doomed to authoritarianism and paternalism, despite efforts at democracy

as humans began delaying the age of reproduction sex on the wrong brain took over. anatomical differences mean men get more of it, increasing the general relative need for certainty and all the other symptoms. with less symptoms women came to represent uncertainty and unpredictability - a threat to be controlled

McKim

(2,412 posts)
22. This is Just a Start
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:50 PM
Feb 2019

This is just a start. Everything is designed for and about men. I struggle to find children’s books that feature girls as often as boys. Another thing is the incredible media deluge of sports on TV and the worship of testosterone driven sports events and the money spent on them. If events were designed for women we would have many cable TV channels devoted to Women in Technology, Healthy Child Development, Fashion and Art Decor Trends, Womens Psychological Dramas, How to Balance Family Life and Work, Caring for your older parents. These are women’s interests that are hardly extant. Instead we have sports, sports, hunting and cars all the time 24/7. And how about a national child care program like in France?

nolabear

(42,007 posts)
45. Oh absolutely! The more you think the more you realize.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:59 PM
Feb 2019

It’s stunning not only how far we haven’t come but that we had to come at all. Original designs that exclude women are insane.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. One pet peeve for women is the damn seat belts in cars!
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:15 PM
Feb 2019

That diagonal strap across the upper body feels more like a dangerous hazard to me. I’m too short and my breasts are too large so the strap constantly moves up to rest across one side of my neck, rubbing against it painfully and if it stayed between my breasts it wouldn’t be too bad, but it doesn’t so I have to constantly pull and adjust it while I’m driving. I’ve never seen a man have to adjust their seat belt!

An X design would eliminate that problem. Similar in concet to baby seats. That design would benefit men too.

And who the hell can reach the top kitchen cabinets?!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
31. This is something I have noticed as well.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:30 PM
Feb 2019

I always feel like in the case of an accident it is more likely to strangle me than to protect me.

And I can't reach my top kitchen cabinets either!

Duppers

(28,134 posts)
36. I can empathize
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

I'm asking my builder to install a couple of these in my new kitchen to at least give me an extra 4". Those top cabinets are one of my pet peeves, and a footstool is inconvenient and gets in the way.



murielm99

(30,787 posts)
39. Dang, what a good idea!
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:38 PM
Feb 2019

We have done a lot of renovation on our old farmhouse. Siding comes next. But I am already thinking about the kitchen.

I am almost 5'1" tall. I agree about the footstool. When I get to the kitchen, the most expensive part of our renovations, I will keep your idea in mind.

Post pics of the finished kitchen, if you remember.

MontanaMama

(23,368 posts)
76. I remodeled my kitchen 6 years ago
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:23 AM
Feb 2019

and chose to install only two upper cabinets that didn’t go all the way to the ceiling because at 5’2” reaching them is frustrating. I did large drawer banks instead and I love them. The kitchen designer that drew up my plans said that his women clients are increasingly choosing to forego upper cabinets.

nolabear

(42,007 posts)
50. That's a really good idea! I've got shelves I haven't reached in years.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

That extra few inches would make a huge difference.

TeapotInATempest

(804 posts)
71. Yes, all of this.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:56 AM
Feb 2019

I'm in your boat: short and busty. If the seat belt doesn't injure me, the air bag likely will since I have to pull the seat so close to the steering wheel.

And I had to buy a free-standing cabinet for my kitchen since half my cabinet space is almost useless to me. I'm just not getting out the step stool every time I want to get something. And how I wish my kitchen counters were a little lower!

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,525 posts)
25. The most striking example, to me, was the one about Viagra.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:37 PM
Feb 2019

From a review in the Times of London:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/review-invisible-women-exposing-data-bias-in-a-world-designed-for-men-by-caroline-criado-perez-its-a-mans-world-and-women-dont-fit-rlxw8dl3m

When Viagra — sildenafil citrate — was tested initially as heart medication, its well-known properties for men were discovered. “Hallelujah,” said Big Pharma, and research ceased. However, in subsequent tests the same drug was found to offer total relief for serious period pain over four hours. This didn’t impress the male review panel, who refused further funding, remarking that cramps were not a public health priority.


They refused further funding. Something that affects half the population at least once in their lives is not considered a public health priority. Fuck the patriarchy.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. However, I am sure if it ever ever came on the market to treat period pain, women
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

would have to pay extra for it, unlike men who get their Viagra covered by almost all insurance plans.

BigmanPigman

(51,674 posts)
42. Don't forget the "pink tax" too.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:17 PM
Feb 2019

I checked out the ingredients of two deoderants (same brand and name) but one was marketed for women. The only difference was the color and scent and for that the women's type cost $1 more.

If men had periods they would get free tampons and be given a week off each month with pay. If men had to have babies population growth would go down to 1%.

Farmer-Rick

(10,242 posts)
49. Would feed costing more in smaller bags also be a pink tax?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

My wife use to always complain about feed bags being too heavy at 50 pounds. "Why can't they put feed in 30 or 40 pound bags to make it easier for women to carry?" She would frequently ask. Even I have a tough time with the 50 pound bags. But I noticed they are starting to put chicken and sheep feed in smaller bags but for a higher cost. Same with dog food. Two 25 pound bags end up costing you $24 while one 50 pound bag is only $20.

Is this a packaging fee or just another pink tax?

And also she complained about tractors not having seats close enough to the clutch and other foot pedals.

BigmanPigman

(51,674 posts)
54. I personally don't think that the smaller size/more money thing is
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:29 PM
Feb 2019

as much related to gender as it is related to charging more and getting away with it. If you buy one of something as opposed to bulk items you pay a lot more. I have a 500 sq ft apt and no storage space and have to buy single items and it costs me 33% more that if I could buy larger amounts of an item.

The seats and pedals of machines and vehicles is a gender/size issue and is a danger. I was in an accident and even though I had my seat belt on my head hit the windshield so hard it cracked the windshield and my chest and face were all bruised from the steering wheel but my Honda airbags never opened. I have asked Honda people about this several times over the years and they keep telling me that it is due to my sitting too close to the steering wheel and I need to sit back further. If I did that I wouldn't be able to reach the pedals since I am 5'1". This is addressed in the Guardian article too. I thought it was just me but seems to be a common and serious problem.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
59. I want them to be able to get pregnant.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:41 PM
Feb 2019

THAT would end the argument against abortion. If men could get preggers, abortion would be available at the drive-thru.

mercuryblues

(14,563 posts)
64. And birth control pills would be sold in vending machines
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:35 AM
Feb 2019

in a variety of flavors

Bacon. beer, beef jerky, coffee...

In all seriousness the male birth control pill would have been approved by now but men don't think they have anything to gain by it. They don't get pregnant so why should they have to suffer the possible side effects.

TeapotInATempest

(804 posts)
72. No kidding
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:01 AM
Feb 2019

I had one rupture that literally dropped me. One moment I was standing there talking to someone, the next I was on the floor.

The birth control pill is sometimes very helpful to those who get them, but, hey let's make that harder to get, too, right?

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
67. I buy male
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:30 AM
Feb 2019

lounge pants because of the pockets!!! All of mine are mens size M. After washing they shrink to the perfect length. It's no wonder that men don't wear them! They are too short after washing!
Pro-Tip: I get mine at Kohl's.

mainer

(12,037 posts)
43. Wow. You can track your copper and molybdenum intake but not your periods.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:46 PM
Feb 2019

What stupid man designed a health tracker that ignores 50% of the population?

mainer

(12,037 posts)
44. wow. The ridiculousness really smacks you in the face.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:56 PM
Feb 2019

Esp. the piece about Apple's so-called "comprehensive" health tracker that will record your copper intake -- but not your menstrual periods.

RobinA

(9,909 posts)
83. I Don't Think
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:14 AM
Feb 2019

of it as misogyny, I just think of it as typical human, "Duh, ya mean there are people in the world who aren't me" shortsightedness. I'm a female 5'7" and I don't have trouble with most things that are based on height, but you still run into everyday things that require upper body strength above the average female. THIS freakin' bugs me because you have to run and get a man to do the thing. And I have made a concerted effort to increase my upper body so it is at least usable, but the difference between men and women in this area is considerable.

demigoddess

(6,645 posts)
58. I'm going to dive into this later when I can concentrate on it.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:01 PM
Feb 2019

have been saying for a while that what we need is a matriarchy. Sick of men running everything, and doing it so stupidly.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
61. Three words:
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:28 PM
Feb 2019
Clinical drug trials.

Up until the time of HIV/AIDS (1990s), there were NO WOMEN in clinical drug trials for new medications. EVER. There are still VERY FEW WOMEN in clinical drug trials. Even in medications that target women. It is mostly men who are in the trials. That included medications for heart disease, cholesterol, pain (pick one), headaches, constipation/diarrhea, or cancer. Women are treated with the same protocols as for men. Think about that one for a minute.

In medications that target children, ethics determines who is entered into those trials. There are NEVER any children involved.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
78. Wife gets every side effect
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:12 PM
Feb 2019

It's become a running joke with us, if there's a side effect from a medication, she's gonna get it. I blame much of it on the fact that there is no dose difference based upon body mass. She's 95 lbs. The standard male per the FAA is something like 220 lbs. That's a huge difference. Even if you used a number like 170, that's still nearly twice the mass. It's hard for me to believe that some medications shouldn't be adjusted for this difference in body mass.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
68. Paint cans!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:35 AM
Feb 2019

I have been fussing about the weight of house paint cans. We are moving to our new (to us) home next week and I'm going to paint a few walls and OMG, the paint cans are too heavy. They don't have 1 gallon size cans here, they go by liters. Most of them are so heavy, I can barely pick them up. Why don't they make house paint cans light enough for women? Sheesh.

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74. I don't think men can even realize
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:09 AM
Feb 2019

how the cumulative effect of all these things ends up affecting women's lives, even when we're not consciously aware of it. Everything ends up being just a little harder (that is, when it's not downright dangerous).

It's really getting old being marginalized as though we don't matter and are some kind of irrational harpies when we ask that our needs also be taken into account.

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