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kentuck

(111,111 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:56 PM Feb 2019

Would it be more politically damaging to impeach or not to impeach??

Personally, I agree with those that say political damage should not weigh into their decision. They all took an oath to defend the Constitution.

Heather McGhee, on MSNBC this morning addressed this question. She believed it would be more damaging for Democrats if they did not impeach. There is just too much to ignore.

It is a constitutional responsibility.

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Would it be more politically damaging to impeach or not to impeach?? (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2019 OP
I agree with her. murielm99 Feb 2019 #1
"stop checking which way the political winds are blowing" - CORRECT! lagomorph777 Feb 2019 #18
To impeach and fail to convict will certainly be damaging... IphengeniaBlumgarten Feb 2019 #2
Look to August 1974 Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #3
Doesn't matter. It's a matter of law enforcement. Mister Ed Feb 2019 #4
I'll take impeachment. No matter what. nt allgood33 Feb 2019 #6
Once the facts come out in an impeachment hearing and Republicans still defend Trump ... kentuck Feb 2019 #5
We ought to impeach for a certainty BUT... PTWB Feb 2019 #7
Unfiltered televised public hearings would go a long way in swinging public opinion. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #8
If the facts dictate it, they must impeach. old guy Feb 2019 #9
If you go after the king... tonedevil Feb 2019 #10
Only Democrats would be expected to answer this question. Baitball Blogger Feb 2019 #11
Not impeach JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #12
Like the plague, Trump needs to be impeached and his whole cabal miyazaki Feb 2019 #13
Impeachment or no, 45 will not resign. Only indictment for treason will satisfy me. ancianita Feb 2019 #14
Look at what happened with Nixon RainCaster Feb 2019 #15
If the Senate won't take the issues seriously, it will be a loser for us struggle4progress Feb 2019 #16
ITTMFA Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #17
It's a math problem... lame54 Feb 2019 #19
It would probably only matter with people who don't follow politics but come out and vote in ooky Feb 2019 #20
Impeach ASAP PufPuf23 Feb 2019 #21

murielm99

(30,788 posts)
1. I agree with her.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:04 PM
Feb 2019

This is not like the Clinton impeachment. That was political, and everyone knew it.

If nothing else, it would keep 45 so busy roaring around and tweeting that he would not be doing much other damage.

It is time to stop checking which way the political winds are blowing and do the right and moral thing.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. "stop checking which way the political winds are blowing" - CORRECT!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:53 PM
Feb 2019

Being overly compliant with polls of the moment only makes us look weak. Courage matters to voters.

2. To impeach and fail to convict will certainly be damaging...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:04 PM
Feb 2019

both to the Democrats and to the Country. Before we can usefully talk of impeachment is after Mueller's report is released and we see if enough Senate Republicans are ready to agree that Trump should be convicted and removed from office. To impeach without the Senate willing to convict will only strengthen Trump because he and his acolytes will spin this as not guilty.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
3. Look to August 1974
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:05 PM
Feb 2019

Even Republicans could not ignore it. They went from Capitol Hill to the WH, a few blocks away, and told Tricky it was over. We're close to that now.

Mister Ed

(5,951 posts)
4. Doesn't matter. It's a matter of law enforcement.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:10 PM
Feb 2019

Impeachment is not for improving the prospects of a political party. Impeachment is a remedy for the commission of crimes - serious crimes - by a president.

Your local police should be enforcing the law uniformly, without weighing the question of whether or not it benefits them politically. The same must be done on the federal level.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
5. Once the facts come out in an impeachment hearing and Republicans still defend Trump ...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:14 PM
Feb 2019

It will be the Republicans that are damaged.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
7. We ought to impeach for a certainty BUT...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:28 PM
Feb 2019

We should not expect the senate to convict at all. It simply isn’t going to happen barring some massive change in the political climate.

We do our job, highlight the fact that they don’t do theirs, and attempt to win 2020 despite inevitable Russian meddling, voter suppression and right wing propaganda.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
8. Unfiltered televised public hearings would go a long way in swinging public opinion.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:34 PM
Feb 2019

most Americans are not politically engaged but are engaged to the tv.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
10. If you go after the king...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:25 PM
Feb 2019

you better kill him. Speaker Pelosi is the best vote counter in politics. She will not bring impeachment charges without having the votes in the Senate.

Baitball Blogger

(46,785 posts)
11. Only Democrats would be expected to answer this question.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:51 PM
Feb 2019

If the shoe were on the other foot, no one would bother to ask Republicans.

The reality is, if there are no consequences to a president's actions, the next Republican president will bring a shovel in order to lower the bar.

miyazaki

(2,262 posts)
13. Like the plague, Trump needs to be impeached and his whole cabal
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:30 PM
Feb 2019

politically sterilized. The country will have to endure it, see it for what it is, learn from it, and move on. If not were forever fucked.

RainCaster

(10,962 posts)
15. Look at what happened with Nixon
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:30 PM
Feb 2019

He got off Scott Free, so the the country could heal. That encouraged the GOP to become even more bold with gerrymandering, election tampering and shady financing.

This crookedness must be stopped forever, and impeachment is the proper method to start such actions. Once he is out of office, the trials can begin in criminal cases where the GOP must be held accountable for their support of DFT and his insane pResidency.

ooky

(8,936 posts)
20. It would probably only matter with people who don't follow politics but come out and vote in
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:48 PM
Feb 2019

presidential elections. Any information they get will likely come through their local TV stations and 6:30 PM national news on ABC, NBC, or CBS. And my guess is that through that reporting we can expect them to be poisoned with anti-impeachment propaganda. So I would expect to lose the majority of that vote if dems impeach Trump.

Truly "independent" voters who follow politics is hard for me to say. I don't think there are really that many of them, because most people who tell me they are "independent" is meaningless. They still lean lean left or right and most of the time its not even a lean. To listen to them talk they might as well join the party they always vote with. I would lump those independents in with everyone else who will fall in line with their party's politics, regardless of whether dems impeach him or not.

That said, I'm not certain there is enough to swing the election, but my guess is impeachment favors Republicans and would be more politically damaging to us. But if we have clear evidence after the investigation that he committed high crimes and misdemeanors and didn't impeach him, it may end up being more damaging not to impeach him. So, a "lose either way" situation. Bottom line for me is I want us to do our duty if the situation demands it.

PufPuf23

(8,858 posts)
21. Impeach ASAP
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:42 PM
Feb 2019

Rinse and repeat, weekly if necessary, until the Senate convicts.

Run the same drill on Pence. May want to dip into the USSC too.

No need for more reports, investigations, plea bargains, or prosecutions.

Stop the damage.

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