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Cohen said he fears there won't be a peaceful transition if rump loses in 2020. (Original Post) mobeau69 Feb 2019 OP
That Sent The Hair On The Back Of My Neck To Stick Out.... global1 Feb 2019 #1
That of all statements today made me sit up and gasp..... Pachamama Feb 2019 #2
Trump will take everything down with him dalton99a Feb 2019 #3
He's the hostage taker cornered in the building that isn't going down alive. mobeau69 Feb 2019 #6
He's Hitler in the bunker... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #10
He doesn't have a nuclear arsenal unless the military sides with this traitor. FiveGoodMen Feb 2019 #13
I don't believe it for a minute vlyons Feb 2019 #27
I agree. The Secret Service would be more obligated to the Constitution and the incoming Blue_true Feb 2019 #54
Senior military brass in all 4 services vlyons Feb 2019 #57
Excellent points. Blue_true Feb 2019 #59
I've been saying that since 2016 Siwsan Feb 2019 #4
Been telling people since election night Cosmocat Feb 2019 #24
We can distract some of his mob with strategically placed free beer and doughnut signs Siwsan Feb 2019 #25
free beer, bratwurst, and ribs Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #37
that actually totally works for me (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #47
What a scary scenario.....Destroying paintings...Breaking the China....Ripping up the draperies... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2019 #53
i'm also afraid of it. barbtries Feb 2019 #5
Some of these assholes threatened to do just that if Abrams won in Georgia dustyscamp Feb 2019 #7
Then a lot of racist get shot. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #8
it will not be peaceful if he wins! samnsara Feb 2019 #9
He will bribe and/or threaten electors to ignore their voters Generic Brad Feb 2019 #58
Yes there will. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2019 #11
+1 thanks for a dose of reality. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #29
Ideally, that's how it should work. Dave Starsky Feb 2019 #38
"He will remain in office as long as he wants" A HERETIC I AM Feb 2019 #42
He will be in that office as long as he wants. Dave Starsky Feb 2019 #51
If he loses in 2020 and a Democrat wins in a landslide, as is very likely to happen.... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2019 #56
Makes me worry about what procon Feb 2019 #12
He can't win if he's in a fucking jail cell Blue Owl Feb 2019 #14
The scary part will be bluestarone Feb 2019 #15
The good news is that the next president certainly won't need any briefings from the current idiot. llmart Feb 2019 #17
This reason is why I hope Biden runs and wins. We need institutional memory to restore the office Arazi Feb 2019 #36
+1, the next prez could just call Putin if he wanted and update, get info from the source uponit7771 Feb 2019 #40
I worry about that window of time too Brawndo Feb 2019 #20
Yea plenty of time to cause LOTS of trouble!! bluestarone Feb 2019 #21
Yeah he seems like the, "If I can't have it, no one will" type Brawndo Feb 2019 #22
I missed Cohen saying that. whow. Scary crap. riversedge Feb 2019 #16
The military can frogmarch his ass out of the White House then. octoberlib Feb 2019 #18
The Secret Service will handle it well before then. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2019 #26
That was a very dark closing statement (video) DesertRat Feb 2019 #19
Tired of this fear raising...might as well be Russia then.. HipChick Feb 2019 #23
He has time to figure out how to call losing the election Turbineguy Feb 2019 #28
Then it shouldn't get to that. Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2019 #30
I think that is hyperbole FreeJoe Feb 2019 #31
I don't think federal prison will give tRump leave to protest election results. nt yaesu Feb 2019 #32
There is a fairly practical way to remove him. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #33
Trump knows he'll be arrested when his term is up. Ilsa Feb 2019 #50
I heard a couple people say that today. Trump may have to be removed CousinIT Feb 2019 #34
His followers are nuts. I would not doubt there would be uprising. Gore1FL Feb 2019 #35
except...... Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #39
there will be blood in the streets KT2000 Feb 2019 #41
All the more reason he needs to lose Salviati Feb 2019 #43
Same concern if Trump is impeached & removed. TryLogic Feb 2019 #44
I heard him say that and was surprised that Ilsa Feb 2019 #45
Bill Maher Prediction Irishxs Feb 2019 #46
Won't happen Raine Feb 2019 #48
Hopefully he won't be around for 2020 election. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #49
That has always been my thoughts. kairos12 Feb 2019 #52
Sure. a 79 year old heart attack waiting to happen can hold off a swat team lindysalsagal Feb 2019 #55
Bill Maher has been saying that for 2yrs. Duppers Feb 2019 #60
Plenty of people made the same claims about Shrub. And President Obama. MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #61
I don't know how real this possibility is Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #62

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. That of all statements today made me sit up and gasp.....
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 06:59 PM
Feb 2019


Mainly because I have had such discussions with others about that possibility and so to hear Cohen say that made me gulp.

mobeau69

(11,169 posts)
6. He's the hostage taker cornered in the building that isn't going down alive.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

Except he has a nuclear arsenal instead of a gun.

Wounded Bear

(58,777 posts)
10. He's Hitler in the bunker...
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:15 PM
Feb 2019

only now it isn't a humorous Youtube video we're talking about.

It's the real deal.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
13. He doesn't have a nuclear arsenal unless the military sides with this traitor.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

They might.

But they might not.

And they certainly shouldn't.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
27. I don't believe it for a minute
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:41 PM
Feb 2019

He will go, even if kicking and screaming. I cannot believe that the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the U.S Marshalls, and the Secret Service would have any trouble moving him out.

Plus we still have a lot of patriots in this country.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
54. I agree. The Secret Service would be more obligated to the Constitution and the incoming
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Feb 2019

President. My guess is they would allow US marshals to arrest his ass. Yes, there may be one or two SS that may want to resort to gun play to keep him from being arrested, but the other SS and the Marshals would more than likely take them down. Also, I don't see the great majority of military officers backing his attempt, there may be a rightwinger or two among them that may try something immediately or down the road, but most will just salute the incoming President and go about doing their jobs.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
57. Senior military brass in all 4 services
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:07 PM
Feb 2019

have taken an oath to the constitution. I sincerely believe that they take that oath seriously to heart. It is a matter of personal honor for those men and women. Trump is a pretty scarey guy. He foments chaos wherever he goes.

That's why all of us must stay calm and focused on electing more Dems in 2020. Republicans will fear-monger us to the Nth degree. Let's not fall for it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
59. Excellent points.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:26 PM
Feb 2019

Even if our preferred nominee does not win the nomination, we can't fall into the trap of calling our nomination process rigged and sit home in the fall or vote for a spoiler or do a stupid writein (a non counted vote).

Keep our eyes on the prize, saving our democracy, from there we can work to improve it.

Siwsan

(26,327 posts)
4. I've been saying that since 2016
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

I have no doubt that had the electoral college moved the other way, trump* would have done his best to create chaos.

And that bad energy is building.

Cosmocat

(14,588 posts)
24. Been telling people since election night
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

Getting him out of the white house is going to resemble the final scene from Scarface.

Siwsan

(26,327 posts)
25. We can distract some of his mob with strategically placed free beer and doughnut signs
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:37 PM
Feb 2019

Just a theory.......

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,897 posts)
53. What a scary scenario.....Destroying paintings...Breaking the China....Ripping up the draperies...
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Feb 2019

Staining the carpets, chopping up the Resolute Desk, shredding the wall paper on the walls.

Go ahead and try, Donnie.

barbtries

(28,821 posts)
5. i'm also afraid of it.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:02 PM
Feb 2019

trump's cult live in a delusional state and refuse to listen to the truth. many if not most of them have guns. they're on the edge. they hate: POC, immigrants, women, liberals, muslims, jews, real christians, and so on.

when trump loses they won't believe it. i don't know if an actual civil war will ensue but expect violence. there are more of us, but there are also a lot of them.

a valid fear imo

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. Then a lot of racist get shot.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:08 PM
Feb 2019

Even in a red state like Florida the authorities will deal with people rioting or whatever.

Most of his ardent supporters are on Medicare. They aren’t heading out in their hoverrounds to cause mayhem.

And more hearings like this will further demoralized them.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
58. He will bribe and/or threaten electors to ignore their voters
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:09 PM
Feb 2019

Another blue wave could be negated through the electoral college if he corrupts it.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
11. Yes there will.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:19 PM
Feb 2019

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The transition itself will be peaceful. That's just how we do things in this country.

There won't be any tanks in the streets of DC, there won't be any gunfire at the White House or at the Capital....there just won't be.

Is it possible that some protests could occur that turn violent? Sure. But there is no way in hell any minority faction of assholes is going to keep the next duly elected president from taking the oath of office and sleeping in the White House that night.

I said this before, but if for some stupid reason Trump decides he isn't leaving on inauguration day, 2021 and refuses to head toward the door, the INSTANT the new president says "So help me god" the Secret Service will pick him up and carry him to the sidewalk outside the guard house on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue and Jackson Place, NW and drop him.

They won't fuck around. Not for a second.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
38. Ideally, that's how it should work.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:13 PM
Feb 2019

But, ideally, he should have been impeached, convicted, and kicked to the street on his ass six months ago.

He, at the very least, violates the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution daily. Daily! And no one does fuck all about it.

He will remain in office as long as he wants. No one is currently stopping him, and no one will stop him two, or even six years,from now.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
42. "He will remain in office as long as he wants"
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:24 PM
Feb 2019

Nonsense.

He will remain in office until he is either impeached and convicted, resigns, loses the next election or at the end of his second term.

He might like to THINK he could stay longer, but it ain't gonna happen.

The Republicans support him for only a few primary reasons;

He will (and has) help them lower taxes on the rich.

He will (and has) appoint far right leaning judges all over the country

He will (and has) reduce or eliminate regulations that protect the environment

He will (and has) assure the religious right he will reduce the ability for a woman to access abortion services.

If he does those things for the likes of the Mitch McConnell's of the world, he literally could shoot someone on 5th avenue and they wouldn't care.

The conservatives are a dying breed in this country and they know it. They know damned well Trump is their last shot at fixing things their way for a couple generations, particularly the judiciary.

But it won't last forever.

And they do NOT have a majority of public opinion on their side.

So when it's time to go, Trump will leave, whether he likes it or not, walking or carried, he will be out of the White House.

I'll bet a months pay.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
51. He will be in that office as long as he wants.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:50 PM
Feb 2019

Seriously. He will never leave of his own accord. And there is no one aside from the Democrats in the House who will ever even begin to try to make him go.

That having been said, he WILL leave quickly when he doesn't want to be there anymore. That is, when it's no longer fun, lucrative, etc.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
56. If he loses in 2020 and a Democrat wins in a landslide, as is very likely to happen....
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:06 PM
Feb 2019

and for some reason refuses to concede and stays put in the White House after noon on January 20th, I'm telling ya, he will be physically picked up by the Secret Service and deposited on the street.

There just isn't any other way it's going to go down. He isn't king, he won't BE a king by then and in spite of how convinced you may be of his resolve, I guarantee you there are shitloads of people working in the government that love this country and it's institutions more than he does.

They will see to it he leaves. I pledge right now to give $100 to the charity of your choice if I am proven wrong.

And if I am proven wrong? This country is fucked and all hell will break loose. The good and decent people of this country, which are a majority, will have none of it, full stop.

llmart

(15,567 posts)
17. The good news is that the next president certainly won't need any briefings from the current idiot.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:02 PM
Feb 2019

He doesn't know a damned thing about how things work and is too arrogant and/or stupid to learn. Maybe the Secret Service can just come in, hand him a box or two and say pack up your stuff. We're escorting you out.

Honestly, I live for the day I see him gone. And take your whole freakin' sideshow of a family with you, whether it's to jail or to Russia.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
36. This reason is why I hope Biden runs and wins. We need institutional memory to restore the office
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:11 PM
Feb 2019

Biden needs to pick a young vibrant Dem as VP - any of them. He needs to assess, and set about repairing, the damage from Trump while training the younger VP in Executive branch norms.

I wish this weren't so critical but we need someone honorable who will work with Congress to re,-build the legal and historical guardrails that the #TraitorInChief has torched

Brawndo

(535 posts)
20. I worry about that window of time too
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:07 PM
Feb 2019

The nuclear football guy should make himself scarce for the duration.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
26. The Secret Service will handle it well before then.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:39 PM
Feb 2019

Those people take an oath to the constitution and the office, NOT the man.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
23. Tired of this fear raising...might as well be Russia then..
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:19 PM
Feb 2019

He's out...Dems have guns too...Democracy right?

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
31. I think that is hyperbole
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 08:54 PM
Feb 2019

When he loses, he can throw all the tantrums he wants, but he'll go. He won't have a choice. He has corrupted a lot of things, but we are far from the point that our courts, our police, and our military will allow him to overstay. We're a better country than that.

 

CTAtheist

(88 posts)
33. There is a fairly practical way to remove him.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:05 PM
Feb 2019

1. Swear in the new President, officially.
2. The Secret Service officially no longer protects Trump. (just his post-presidential detail)
3. New President enters the White House.
4. Secret Service escorts Trump out to the waiting FBI agents.

This is literally what would happen if a President refused to leave the White House on inauguration day.

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
50. Trump knows he'll be arrested when his term is up.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:42 PM
Feb 2019

They'll pick him up with warrants and take him to court to be indicted.

Gore1FL

(21,166 posts)
35. His followers are nuts. I would not doubt there would be uprising.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:08 PM
Feb 2019

The crazies will be stopped by the police. If it reaches true insurrection then they will be stopped by the military.

Grasswire2

(13,575 posts)
39. except......
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:14 PM
Feb 2019

At the moment the newly elected president is sworn in, Trump will simply be a private citizen with ZERO POWER and ZERO CLAIM to anything except a decreased Secret Service protection for former president.

And so, were he to decline to leave, he likely would have to refuse to go to the inauguration -- refuse to leave the White House. How does that play out? U.S. Marshals enter the White House to escort him out? How would he resist that, without any power?

The transition team of the incoming administration would have to game this out with the military, with law enforcement?

KT2000

(20,605 posts)
41. there will be blood in the streets
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:15 PM
Feb 2019

is what I heard a trumper say. There are some of his followers who are itching to use their guns on fellow citizens.

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
45. I heard him say that and was surprised that
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:32 PM
Feb 2019

the tv pundits didn't spend time on it. Of course, they had plenty of other time-sensitive material to cover. It scared me. I figure trump won't leave the WH on his own.

Irishxs

(622 posts)
46. Bill Maher Prediction
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:36 PM
Feb 2019

Maher predicted this. Folks are tweeting they thought of him when they heard Cohen say it.

kairos12

(12,901 posts)
52. That has always been my thoughts.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Feb 2019

The bogus wall emergency is a test case to see if SCOTUS bows to dictator Shitler. It’s a setup for 2020.

lindysalsagal

(20,793 posts)
55. Sure. a 79 year old heart attack waiting to happen can hold off a swat team
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:53 PM
Feb 2019

with Lindsey's help, of course.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
61. Plenty of people made the same claims about Shrub. And President Obama.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 01:48 PM
Feb 2019

It's the thing to do now when your President isn't in power. It'll never happen. And one person claiming it will doesn't change that.

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