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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsmother fucking piece of fucking shit the Kentucky Derby DQ the winner
what a bunch of mother fucking shit
mobeau69
(11,172 posts)Crazy stuff!
GoCubsGo
(32,103 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)not the # 20 horse
just like NFL giving cheaters the win by using refs...
empedocles
(15,751 posts)mcar
(42,479 posts)Picked Country House out of the hat!
dem4decades
(11,322 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)probably inspired by fat donnie
elleng
(131,459 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)Turned it off after the fake decision was made
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)not watching a sham
just like this year was the first time I did not watch the Superbowl
Stinky The Clown
(67,849 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Imagine placing a big bet on that horse to even place.
mobeau69
(11,172 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Always a wildshot on a muddy track. Some horses LOVE to run in the mud. Some have bad knees or feet and run better in the mud. In fact, some horses they scratch if the track is not muddy. Some don't like to run in mud, and some like Secretariat didn't give a shit one way or another.
You can't come off the rail, cut a horse off, and bump him like that. There is no conspiracy. Just a mudder who did what mudders do and a jockey who fucked up and now a whiney rich dude going to lawyer up.
Rhiannon12866
(207,016 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)dem4decades
(11,322 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)bet Maximum Security goes on to win the Preakness and Belmont just to give horse racing the middle finger!
dem4decades
(11,322 posts)CTyankee
(63,932 posts)I love the Bays. They are elegant.
I feel sad for Max and his rider and owner. Usually, I have a lot of contempt for the owner and some contempt for the whole spectacle. But this was just very, very sad...
dem4decades
(11,322 posts)Journeyman
(15,047 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,822 posts)disqualified? I just got a news alert from WaPo, but no info yet as to why.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and edged over but it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The jockey had not one speck of dirt on him in a very sloppy track
someone with money threw a fit and got his way. There is going to be a LOT of issues with this.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)mobeau69
(11,172 posts)Captain Zero
(6,871 posts)Bantamfancier
(366 posts)He was leading the entire race. ( like you said, not a speck of mud) they turned for home and he moved out to cut off the others closing in on him. Then he went back to the rail to block the horse coming up on the left. The horse he cut off was hit on the leg twice and had to pull up.
That horse wasnt reacting to the crowd. He was doing what his rider asked him to.
The whole thing sucks, but that could have ended in a pileup with a bunch of horses and riders hurt. It was the right call.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I'm still trying to find a video that focuses in on that. I tried Newsweek's but it wouldn't load. If jockey did in fact do that, it is a sad commentary on current morals.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)This should be an OP.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Enjoy the rest of the weekend!
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)horse wasn't sideways
you are calling the Jockey a bad one and talking out side of your mouth but you believe what you believe
I know what I watched and I know horse racing.
Bantamfancier
(366 posts)In the biggest race of his life and he made a bad decision.
You may watch horse racing, but my stepdad was a trainer and my brother and i owned several horses back in our misspent youth so we probably did watch the same race and saw two different events.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)this is so sad all the way around.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Billy Shoemaker rode some of our horses back in the day. You are exactly right. There was no reason to come off the rail and he could have killed someone with that move. I saw jockey Pete Chavez about die from something similar. I don't think he ever recovered. DQ was the right call
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)And I saw what you saw.
oasis
(49,500 posts)horse to move in the path of Country House, who was declared the winner after a jockey's objection. It took the stewards close to 20 minutes before making their decision
Note: The stewards were not the ones who were the first to make the call, which would have been a "steward's inquiry'. A "jockey's objection" is when a jockey complains to the stewards.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)On the outside. This gets called in a Maiden race.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)This whole mess is a damn shame.
hlthe2b
(102,581 posts)is eternal and won't be forgotten.
I just didn't see the impact to that horse no matter how many replays.
Yes, I now want Maximum Security to win Belmont and Preakness to give them all the Hoof.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,931 posts)as I listen to CBS, you have to look at the feet.
I'm only repeating what I'm hearing.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)or even taking a stand and refusing to run and telling everyone why
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,931 posts)it sounds like the right call.
I know almost nothing about horses and horse racing, but one thing I'm hearing is that exact same thing happening in any other race in the country the disqualification would occur.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)and think it was the right call too. We have lost too many horses this year and Maximum Security ride was just too wide. I'm thankful everyone is ok. Like Maximum jockey said, he's a baby and might have spooked from sound , but 3 horses got jammed.
Now to the Preakness.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I was wondering, so I appreciate the information. It's a shame it had to happen though.
msongs
(67,509 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)WheelWalker
(8,960 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,103 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,528 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,103 posts)I'm actually far more pissed that it made me miss pre-game Patrick Sharp.
I love hockey, but I love my Sharpy even more. At least we have the intermissions...
Mossfern
(2,619 posts)for one who won by disqualification of the winner.
Iggo
(47,603 posts)highplainsdem
(49,139 posts)that might seem fair to most people.
But he didn't.
I doubt Country House has any chance of winning the Preakness and Belmont. Those two races will probably show just how wrong this Derby decision was, and I'm even wondering if the owners will keep Country House out of them so this alleged Derby "win" will be unsullied.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)It's if you broke the rules.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,424 posts)It's which horse wins the race in the conditions on that track on that day. While staying within the rules, which Maximum Security was judged to have not done (and the explanations make sense, to me).
And so with that horse disqualified, the horse that crossed the line next, without breaking the rules, wins. That's simple, and it's how races work, in all sports. Motor racing, for instance, which frequently has cars judged to have illegally impeded another. If the car/horse that was impeded loses out, that's tough, but uninvolved racers get to keep their time.
What happens in future races has no bearing on this one. How could it? You seem to be saying that they should have decided which horse won this race based on the likelihood of them winning another.
mobeau69
(11,172 posts)mobeau69
(11,172 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I can't get past ad loading. Thanks Newsweek I'd love to watch your ad or at least would be willing to. If it would load.
mobeau69
(11,172 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I know it seems trivial, but I really want to make up my own mind about this . Thanks for helping me.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I want to see what the judges saw when they called the disqualification and right now I cannot find it anywhere on the Internet. That's what I want to see.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I saw what you saw.
Green Line
(1,123 posts)Its the Kentucky Derby, not some claiming race at Pacino Downs. Terrible, terrible call.
onenote
(42,885 posts)Some of the commentators I've heard acknowledged that in a regular race, this would be the correct decision. But that simply poses the question why should an action that would ordinarily be disqualifying not be disqualifying in the Derby. If anything the standard should be higher, not lower.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)Goodheart
(5,352 posts)Maximum Security and his jockey clear broke the rules. The disqualification is not only warranted but necessary for the integrity of the sport. Stay in your lane.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and don't tell me to stay in my lane when you don't even know what the fuck my lane is.
Bantamfancier
(366 posts)You pick a line and stay on it to the finish. You dont swerve to stay in front of another rider.
That is called cheating and will get you set back.
Thats all goodheart was saying, but you seem to have taken it as a personal attack.
Have a cup of tea.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)the horse swerved twice , presumably in response to his jockeys commands. But I'm not making any judgment until I can find the same videos the judges saw. Haven't had any luck so far. My initial response is that if it took them 20 minutes, and it's such a big deal as the Kentucky Derby , they must have been really sure. But I want to see for myself. If anybody can give me a link to a video that shows me what the judges saw, I would really appreciate it.
dem4decades
(11,322 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)he was referring to the horses maintaining their position on the track. Your warrantless and baffling hostility is exceeded only by your lack of reading comprehension.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Goodheart
(5,352 posts)"Stay in your lane" = follow the rules.
I take it you lost money on the race? Otherwise why so snitty?
MineralMan
(146,358 posts)The poster you're replying to was referring to the horse staying in the lane, not you.
In the grand scheme of things this race is meaningless, as it its outcome.
madamesilverspurs
(15,821 posts)when the news broke my first thought, "By any chance does Trump own the winning horse?"
.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)the whiner before the dq sure sounded like it
getagrip_already
(15,002 posts)PufPuf23
(8,859 posts)IMO the track should of and could have been drained better so as to not have so much pooled water.
Shame when there are controversies in such storied events.
Can't male a good judgement based upon the two clips I watched.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)I want to see what the judges saw, and haven't been able to find it yet. Supposedly that will become public . I guess I mean hopefully that will become public. I really should try to calm down and just wait for the news in the morning, when hopefully we can see what the judges saw.
rgbecker
(4,836 posts)The lead horse moved off the rail by about 5 or 6 feet in what looked to be a blocking attempt of three contenders on the outside. Another horse on the rail moved up the rail into the opening and Maximum Security closed him off by returning to the rail although he had just a half length lead. Pretty blatant, surprised it took 20 minutes to review it. I guess, like was stated, they really wanted to be sure.
https://www.newsweek.com/watch-country-house-wins-2019-kentucky-derby-after-controversial-review-1415307
The move to the outside starts about 2:05 and then back to the rail at about 2:13.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)It looks pretty blatant to me. It's a shame.
Enoki33
(1,590 posts)because it is one of the biggest races in the world and the enormous $ stakes involved. Seen similar situations before as l lived ten minutes from Santa Anita for many years.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)Especially considering your location. I've been to Santa Anita once. Saw Stevie Cauthen ride. I think I'm remembering the name correctly. We bet every possible combination for the first three horses out of a 5 horse field. And lost. But we had a good time.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)Rules is rules.
Stuart G
(38,458 posts)Yes, I didn't know that DQ meant ...disqualification.. took a while to figure that one out. I am not sure this was explained... Yes, I really did not know what ...DQ. meant ...After reading the Kentucky Derby story, I figured it out....oh well....so many abbreviations here...I need a dictionary. Although I looked in the dictionary at google...and all I got was........Dairy Queen.... No, I did not make this up to cause trouble. I really did not know what that term meant....
......OK...time to ..
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)My grandfather was a rancher who tinkered in horses.
That horse came off the rail and bumped that other horse.
This OP is wrong. You can't do that shit. There is no money conspiracy.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)That's my current opinion, based on the facts that I can gather. It's a shame.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Others have bad knees or feet and the mud is softer so they run better. Weird shit happens in the mud. Just the way it goes, but that jockey fucked up and the DQ was deserved.
Personally I'm stunned the stewards had the guts to do it. Good for them.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)As far as I can make out, the right thing was done , in spite of the uproar they knew it would cause. This makes me happy . In a relative way. I don't know if the jockey did it intentionally or as a sort of a reflex. I am sad for him as well. I'm just sad . This sucks.
still_one
(92,552 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)He came off the rail and cut a horse coming up on the outside, bumped him and caused the jockey to pull up. You can't do that.
Coventina
(27,227 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)People cursing and rabidly frothing at the mouth because theyre unsatisfied by the outcome of a race between a bunch of rich peoples horses but dont say a word when those horses have legs shattered during said races and end up being killed.
Weird priorities.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Well said.
Sid
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Honestly its a no-brainer. If you know ANYTHING about horse racing youll know that there was a clear rule violation and a disqualification was in order.
A major scandal would be if they DIDNT DQ in this scenario.
Alea
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Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)Alea
(706 posts)Here's the video that breaks it down. My post was just a short gif.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Was ridden wide coming out of the term and then taken back to towards the rail.
You can't obstruct your competition.
The jockey wasn't picking a specific horse but clearly intended to " block" any rider behind him.
His actions clearly affected the riders behind him.
He cheated and got caught.
Too bad...because he had the best horse on the track.
It was the right call to give the race to the rider who finished second.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)The world we live in.
Bayard
(22,257 posts)And it wasn't the jockey trying to cheat by blocking other horses.
You had a young horse that tried to spook at a puddle. It happens. It rained all day here. I read one account that said he tried to skip over it, basically the same thing. If you've ever been on a 1,000+ pound animal doing that, you'll appreciate that his jockey handled it the best he could, and got him back to where he was supposed to be. I seriously doubt it changed the outcome of the race. Bumping is part of the game. They don't, "stay in a lane", or there would be no race.
Maximum Security was clearly the best horse in the field today, and I hope he takes the Preakness and Belmont.
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)The horse swerved in the way that it seemed he might have seen it and then swerved . I'd have to see the alleged other swerve. The whole thing is such a shame I am sad.
Duppers
(28,134 posts)🐎
"Though he be little, he is fierce."
- Red Pollard's version of Shakespeare's quote
(Like Seabiscuit was, Maximum Security is a smaller TB.)
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,387 posts)The Derby uses the same rules as any other horse race. At least no horses got hurt during the interference.
snowybirdie
(5,254 posts)of legal gambling, I find it satisfying that these big corporations got royally screwed!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
snowybirdie
(5,254 posts)that kept advertising throughout the race coverage for one. Making gambling sound like just a fun trendy thing to do. They even would give you $100 to open account! Gambling can be destructive and addictive for some.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)They would stand to make the same profit, regardless of which horse won the race.