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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWant To Know The Reason NY TRansit Systems Don't Get Fixed?
Because the money is spent on huge salaries. Below is a sample of the 77 people from the LIRR who are paid over $250,000. The same goes for the subway system where 250 people are paid big money for a system that is a disaster.
"Check out the full list of LIRR employees who were paid over $250,000 last year:
1. Thomas Caputo, Chief Measurement Operator - $461,646
2. Patrick A. Nowakowski, President - $454,288
3. Dallas Bazemore III, Foreman-Surfacing- $395,397
4. Joseph M. Ruzzo, Foreman-Track - $380,407
5. Christopher M. Kroll, Foreman-Track - $354,168
6. Christopher J. Jerome, Foreman-Track - $352,935
7. Ricardo G. Ruiz, MW Repairman Technician - $350,575
8. John E. Nugent, Foreman-Track - $350,056
9. Joseph Balestra, Foreman-Track - $348,522
10. Patrick N. Damboise, Foreman-Track - $339,320
11. Terence M. Glum, Foreman-Track - $327,628
12. Carlos Romano, Engineer - $323,468
13. Claude F. Birong, Foreman-Track - $320,130
14. Robert A. Friscia, Foreman MW Mechanic - $313,355
15. Sanjay Kowlessar, Foreman -Track - $312,674
16. Marco V. Pazmino, Track Worker (A) - $311,162
17. Devnish A. Baird, Foreman-Surfacing - $308,023...cont."
https://patch.com/new-york/sachem/s/gpcmp/77-lirr-employees-made-more-250k-last-year?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=traffic+%26+transit&utm_campaign=autopost&utm_content=sachem&fbclid=IwAR2rR1s7G6GFyZsIapi5w-6gJbYjcurAqZ7NoHU4EKGlbMSKJOZPy3hruUo
clementine613
(561 posts)... that we have an idiot in the White House who does not care one whit about the people in his home state. Under his administration, he has provided exactly $0 in aid to the MTA. If he cared in the slightest, he could provide enough funding to fix the problems.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But I will tell, they did a story on this on the local news and at a time when they are raising prices this is raising a lot of anger. Over the last decade people keep asking what they are doing with the money. Mismanagement, I believe is also a problem. It may be that the new transit head will be leaving because he and Cuomo can't get along.
clementine613
(561 posts)He could fix this in an instant.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)If Trump got personally involved in state business!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)on unions. Looking at those roles, I'm guessing there's a lot of overtime in those paychecks.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I find this article one unions can use because most of the transit workers are not earning anything like what these GUYS are....as far as overtime...it's added on.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)The contract is what gets the people on this list their high total compensation. If anything, the average person sees this, gets pissed because some yahoo track inspector gets a quarter million a year, and calls for defunding. Open your eyes; you're being used.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I think you're missing the point
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)their salaries are not part of the general discussion/bargaining
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)"president." I don't know about the chief measurement operator.
Me.
(35,454 posts)The rank and file have no chance of earning that type of money.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)to.
Me.
(35,454 posts)As far as overtime..from what was reported on our local overtime boosted those salaries into the stratospheres. And it's not just the LIRR it's tHe MTA also.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)I'll say it again.
Rank-and-file front-line workers can make a lot of money on railroads, which tend to have complicated, punitive contracts designed to force employers to pay a LOT of overtime, or hire more people.
These rank-and-filers are union members, covered by a collectively bargained union contract, bargained with the employer, and which the employer also agrees to.
They are not management or administration.
Employers would rather pay overtime than hire more people, because the periodic articles that the reactionary press trots out about "inflated salaries" routinely prompt calls from the public to rein in costs in general and unions in particular.
Employers love it when you post the names of workers and the money they made because it takes the heat off them.
You're being used to divide workers. Don't fall for it.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and you can hammer at it all night but these are not rank and file salaries and nothing you say will change that.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)But not that good
marlakay
(11,544 posts)For Bart in SF that the employees while paid a fair salary dont make that kind of money unless special electrical workers on contract not by the hour.
Its management that makes a ton of money, takes 3 hr lunches and whines when tickets go up its the employees fault.
I bet New York has the same problem.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)marlakay
(11,544 posts)And havent followed contracts since he retired other than noticing paying more for healthcare.
No system could afford it if everyone made that kind of money, ever. And anyone who thinks it all one level and equal, equal is kidding themselves.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)madville
(7,413 posts)track workers employed at any railroad. Most of those positions are track maintenance. That could apply to many trades, you don't see many female electricians, welders, auto mechanics, heavy equipment operators, etc, etc.
Mosby
(16,422 posts)If I handed out that kind of overtime I would be fired. NO ONE does this other than with government jobs. It's insanely inefficient and a complete waste of taxpayer money.
madville
(7,413 posts)Many are boosting their retirement calculation by cramming in loads of OT. I am in the SF Bay Area, you see police officers and firefighters here making $250-$400k a year with overtime.
Me.
(35,454 posts)These are not the overtime boosts we always hear about, they are their salaries
madville
(7,413 posts)I'm impressed with their union for negotiating great salaries then if that is no overtime included.
Me.
(35,454 posts)those these days. You can still under circumstances get 2x, though 2 1/2 is more elusive
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)You can bargain anything, and it's yours if the employer agrees. Many legacy railroad contracts will have extra pay for all sorts of things. I know of one that would add differentials for night work, mileage of certain track, time over 8, time over 12, time over 5 days, time depending on who else was on the crew, differentials for distance over a certain distance, many of which could compound on each other. "Overtime" for these kinds of workers is much, much more than just "double time" or "time and a half on weekends."
Me.
(35,454 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)when the reporting this patch.com article ripped off indicates these are large OT compensation packages for front-line workers, earned through contract. It's not me that's wrong, it's [Me.].
Me.
(35,454 posts)quite the opposite but nice try at distraction
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)not across the board as you well know and as you can't seem to understand it...done
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,527 posts)They aren't salaries for the people on the list you posted, and they aren't salaries for anyone covered under a collective bargaining contract. It's true that not everyone has the option or ability to make that money in any given year, if that's your beef. But that's the case with any contract, in any workplace.
Union contracts are powerful, and definitely can help erase bias that results in economic inequality inherent in the system, leveling the playing field for a wide variety of workers. But the nature of work means that some skills will be more valued and needed than others, not everyone can do the same job, and seniority will always play a role. If an employer keeps that pool small, the people in that pool will benefit from it. Contracts in these cases will be written punitively, to make the employer pay through the nose to access that talent off hours or in emergencies, but again and again employers prefer to pay more in the moment rather than hire or train more people and risk paying people "to do nothing."
Rambling Man
(249 posts)and yes, what you say is correct.
And the employee only gets a piece of a bigger chunk.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)The only one who made more than him in total pay was Chief Measurement Operator Thomas Caputo, who had a pay rate of $54, according to the data. Caputo racked up $344,147 in overtime in addition to his $117,499 salary.
So at $54 an hour, x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks a year, it works out to about $112k, so that roughly checks out... how many hours does one have to work to make an ADDITIONAL $344,147?
Well, at $54 an hour, one would have to work an additional 6373 hours, or roughly every hour of every day for 265 days.
Of course, I doubt they were making straight pay on overtime, so lets say it was all at double-time ($108 an hour). Then they only had to work every hour of every day for 132 days.
That means they worked about 5250 of the 8760 hours in the year (when you combined regular hours and overtime), which would mean a 14 hour workday every day (weekends and holidays included) for the entire year.
Anyone willing to put in this kind of effort deserves the money they earned!