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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPelosi Warns Democrats: Stay in the Center or Trump May Contest Election Results
"Nearly five months into her second speakership, Ms. Pelosi appears to be embracing her role as the only Democrat with the power to oppose Mr. Trump. While she seems comfortable in waging battle with him, her unease about the presidents behavior has only intensified since the Democrats triumphal election.
Few people outside Ms. Pelosis inner circle were aware of how worried she was that Mr. Trump would try to stop the opposition party from taking control of the House unless the Democrats victory was emphatic enough to be indisputable.
If we win by four seats, by a thousand votes each, hes not going to respect the election, said Ms. Pelosi, recalling her thinking in the run-up to the 2018 elections.
He would poison the public mind. He would challenge each of the races; he would say you cant seat these people, she added. We had to win. Imagine if we hadnt won oh, dont even imagine. So, as we go forward, we have to have the same approach.
In recent weeks Ms. Pelosi has told associates that she does not automatically trust the president to respect the results of any election short of an overwhelming defeat. That view, fed by Mr. Trumps repeated and unsubstantiated claims of Democratic voter fraud, is one of the reasons she says it is imperative not to play into the presidents hands, especially on impeachment."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/us/politics/nancy-pelosi.amp.html
So this is how fucked we are, my friends.
We are in the position of having to kiss an authoritarian autocrats ass and hope that he will honor election results if we are REALLY NICE TO HIM.
If Nancy is privately frightened, then I am positively crapping my pants.
And after reading the article, as angry as it makes me, I know Nancy is 100% right.
Bradshaw3
(7,554 posts)If they know you are afraid their actions only get worse. If he contests results you fight with everything at your disposal, and anything else you can think of. This is our democracy; we have to fight for it.
If we turn out, we win, Trump's base isn't going to grow any. Being timid isn't going to fire up the millenials to vote.
orangecrush
(19,678 posts)and Nancy seems to agree.
watoos
(7,142 posts)this isn't volleyball where you have to win by 2, you have to win by 1 vote.
Why don't we just anoint Trump king?
No one deserves to be impeached more than Donald Trump.
orangecrush
(19,678 posts)it's up to us to unseat him.
DURHAM D
(32,619 posts)orangecrush
(19,678 posts)area51
(11,945 posts)that Trump won't contest the election if he loses?
orangecrush
(19,678 posts)I can only pray arrangments are made for such an eventuality.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Rambling Man
(249 posts)you can't negotiate with someone who is acting in bad faith.
PufPuf23
(8,859 posts)All the more reason to act against Trump with most prejudice because Trump is aiming for a war to maintain his position.
No more time to waste.
angrychair
(8,759 posts)The fact of the matter is that the very rights (voting rights and civil rights) that people are all but letting slip through their fingers were rights that other people died to get.
People marched. They protested. They had work strikes. Sit-ins. They were attacked by people. By dogs. By water hoses. But they persisted.
Its disgraceful that to many forget that this isnt the first time people had to make the hard choice to take a stand, no matter the consequences.
Yes, people may get arrested. Or attacked. Or maybe even killed.
But people already made that choice before. Not that many years ago.
People made the ultimate sacrifice for us. Not on some distant field in a foriegn land.
They made here. In our country.
For labor rights.
For voting rights.
For civil rights.
Women made that sacrifice so that other women might vote one day.
Workers made that sacrifice so that other workers might have unions one day.
People of color, women and the LGBTQ made that sacrifice so that others might be able to live how they want to live and love who they want to love.
The time to sit idle has passed. We must organize. We must strike. We must vote.
We can no longer be timid and afraid or the sacrifice of those that came before us means nothing.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)PufPuf23
(8,859 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,262 posts)Lock him up.
(6,956 posts)his lame contests will go nowhere other than on Faux & hate Radio.
And if he refuses to leave the WH on Inauguration Day, the Secret Service will drag him out.
Lock him up.
(6,956 posts)The Flynn case is now ordered to be fully unredacted in two weeks...
Smoking-gun materials!