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kpete

(72,061 posts)
Fri May 17, 2019, 03:22 PM May 2019

"Consensual Rape"

A GOP lawmaker said most rapes were "date rapes or consensual rapes"


Republican Rep. Barry Hovis, a former law enforcement officer, said many of the rape cases he has seen are "consensual rapes" — a phrase that drew ire from at least one other member.

Hovis was defending the bill saying it allows women to get abortions during the first eight weeks of pregnancy. (Remember: Many women often aren't aware they're pregnant in the first eight weeks.)

Here's what he said:

"Most of my rapes were not the gentlemen jumping out of the bushes that nobody had ever met. That was one or two times out of one hundred. Most of them were date rapes or consensual rapes, which were all terrible, but I sat in court — sat in court — when juries would struggle with those types of situations where it was a 'he-said she-said,' and they would find the person not guilty. Unfortunate, if it really happened, but I had no control over that, because it was a judge or a jury making those decisions. But we'll just say someone is sexually assaulted. They have eight weeks to make a decision."

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/missouri-abortion-bill/h_83ea76920bd5b9d8fbebec4adf37a35a

He apologized:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/barry-hovis-missouri-no-consensual-rape

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Ohiogal

(32,213 posts)
1. What the holy hell is "consensual rape"?
Fri May 17, 2019, 03:26 PM
May 2019

These sick wads of shit who go around perpetuating this kind of garbage make my blood boil!

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
11. My Related Vexation - There's Nothing We Can Say To Make Them See The Light
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:29 PM
May 2019

Despair and hopelessness in this important battle are horrible.

happybird

(4,671 posts)
12. And he was a freakin' cop
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:46 PM
May 2019

And people wonder why victims are reluctant to report rape, or never do. SMDH.

The myth that a "real" rape is perpetrated by a "stranger in the bushes with a knife" needs to die a swift death.


rampartc

(5,458 posts)
2. i was taught that a woman has a right to change her mind
Fri May 17, 2019, 03:39 PM
May 2019

sometimes that might seem to be unfair or frustrating, but that is just too bad.

there do seem to be degrees of rape. i don't want to excuse the hormonally charged teenager on third base trying to steal home, but compared to the masked stranger with a knife. i don't know.

i guess the ucmj art 120 says it best. " Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete either of these offenses."

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
7. It kind of does sound like you want to excuse the teenage boy "trying to steal home."
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:02 PM
May 2019

Such a cute way to describe forcing a girl to have intercourse against her will. Why, she's just like a piece of game equipment!

Skittles

(153,321 posts)
10. but you know, she may have been wearing a tight outfit
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019

that kinda implies consent, in the mind of guys that him

Hekate

(91,055 posts)
17. And that skirt! Woo-hoo, we called that a jet-set skirt 'cause you could see the cockpit!
Fri May 17, 2019, 06:44 PM
May 2019

She was just askin' for it!



Goddammit I hate these knuckledraggers.

Journeyman

(15,047 posts)
9. Try as I may, the only possible "consensual rape" I can conjecture would be in a stage production...
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:24 PM
May 2019

and even there, thought the act would be mutually entered into, the action's intent would remain malevolent.

I guess Barry Hovis has seen too many bad productions of Streetcar Named Desire.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
13. I'm glad these ignorant fucks keep talking...
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:47 PM
May 2019

The world sees them for what they are. Uninformed misogynistic assholes.

Solly Mack

(90,803 posts)
18. Lets us know what he thinks of women and how he treated rape victims.
Fri May 17, 2019, 07:20 PM
May 2019

His apology is not accepted.

He said what he meant and exposed how he really thinks.

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