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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe have a Marine who is MIA. His name is Mueller.
Every moment Mueller does not come forward is a moment Trump and Barr are taking full advantage of. Trump and Barr are starting their own witch hunt on the investigation. They are threatening to arrest people like Comey. They are attacking the FBI and Mueller himself. This is a major threat to our rule of law.
When will Mueller defend himself, his investigation, the FBI, the people who he worked with for many years? Mueller, whether he likes it or not is in the middle of a political firestorm. He has to stop worrying about how he will look. All he has to do is come forward and tell the American people the truth in an open hearing. Classified material can be handled in private hearings.
The stakes are too high to play games. Mueller knows what duty to country means. He needs to get off his ass and do it.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)K&R
2naSalit
(87,012 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Trump the dog.
Mueller did his job. Dont think for a second tha the long time conservative Republican is trying to save his party and the domestic Republican agenda.
He was never on the side of Republic.
certainot
(9,090 posts)1500 radio stations to take free potshots at mueller and investigators and trump critics all day long
we let limbaugh/putin lead 1500 radio stations yelling about the 'deep state coup' for 2 full years without a peep of challenge. now it's established fact for a huge part of the population, enabling the assault and intimidation of the investigators.
now he's got a family, and these motherfucking GOP congressaasses are going to spend their question time asking him bullshit to trap him into declining questions to protect sources etc so they can insinuate he was part of a conspiracy
and if mueller was part of a coverup he wouldn't do 400 pages full of ammo for politicians, media, investigators
ancianita
(36,248 posts)It's 45's and Putin's Machine.
It will grind public consciousness and care for a future to a complete halt if we don't stop it.
certainot
(9,090 posts)really easy and cheap now to transcribe/digitize talk radio so advertisers can be easily listed and associated with content with little listening needed, as described at republiconradio.org, using sonix.ai for $5/hr for instance.
it wouldn't take much activism before the ad industry would have to start asking clients if they want to be advertising on rw radio (instead of bundling and rotating them onto it without their control). they'd lose half their radio advertisers otherwise
or if someone started developing software to automate the process it would not take long to get ad industry's attention. a lot of stations would have to drop rw radio for other programming.
ancianita
(36,248 posts)other stations in the Channel One territory, where Channel One is a monopoly that blocks competition.
Some deep pockets and lawyers would be needed to create competition for low population regions that can't support them.
Whole broad swaths of communications territory are vulnerable to rw monopolistic communications where gerrymandering, fear of the foreign help keep their senators' jobs and churches full.
It's good that AI can do what you say, but there has to actually be somewhere for ad buy to go to start with. There isn't.
onlyadream
(2,168 posts)Youd think hed buy some air time, lol.
ancianita
(36,248 posts)more sinister but factually verifiable.
certainot
(9,090 posts)to AI . flushrush was very bad for them. AI changes everything and there still will be advertisers for rw radio but a large percentage will drop off htose stations when the ad industry realizes it has to ask advertisers if they really want to be associated with the hate and lies. talk radio is not good business, iheart/clearchannel went $20 BIL in debt. the ad industry will have to stop pushing unenthusiastic advertisers on those stations or risk losing huge numbers of them to boycott actions that piss them off..
from republiconradio.org
Artificial intelligence now makes it very easy to list talk radio advertisers
1) Record
Quicktime, on every Mac, is a basic app for recording audio streams. While playing the stream turn on Quicktime, go to 'File' and 'New Audio Recording'. Turn on the recorder and when you're done save it. With Quicktime it is necessary to have volume on. Other recording apps will allow recording multiple streams at the same time, pre scheduling, and editing.
2) Transcribe
At $5/hr and under, Sonix.ai may be the cheapest, quickest, and easiest transcription service. An hour takes minutes and is very accurate. When it's done they send an email with a link to the transcription in their editing program where it can be downloaded or tweaked and corrected on their site as you listen. It can also be stored there. The monthly subscription is $15 but they offer a 30 minutes free trial.
3) Search for "DOT" to identify advertisers
Live recordings of radio streams include advertisements and most announce web sites transcribed as "so-and-so-company dot com". Most advertisers can be found by searching for the word "dot". Sometimes the ads provided phone numbers. The Sonix text editor allows you to highlight and add notes. Each company or quote can get a note that is listed and numbered. The notes can then be copied and pasted elsewhere.
4) Contact
Most websites provide phone numbers and email addresses specifically for contact by potential customers. Complaint emails may get further up the chain of command than a phone call, and there's a lasting written record for employees to pass around. It may also be easier for sympathetic staff to pass on a comment to a boss in email form than personally.
ancianita
(36,248 posts)citizen blues
(570 posts)What he has to say may not be appropriate for prime time. Let him say what he needs to behind closed doors. He could very well be having an LBJ reaction when Johnson found out Nixon went to S. Vietnamese in secret to sabotage the peace talks. How much does the public need to know and what is the best way to disclose it without jeopardizing national security more than it already has been.
certainot
(9,090 posts)private he could respond to the republican bullshit by prefacing every answer with "well, that's what limbaugh said a million times but..."
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)no one on either side of the isle wants Mueller to testify.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)closed doors. Trump tried to discredit his work by making it a Mueller vs. Trump investigation. The less the report is personalized, the more it holds up as based on a non-partisan judicially sponsored product. Television will turn the hearing into an event, a show.
I dont honestly get how our side could turn on Mueller with such a degree of personal insult and hostility.
In over 400 pages, he and his team have laid out a case to be used for impeachment and future criminal charges. In fact, it is the roadmap all the pundits, media, Democrats are referring to as the argue for impeachment.
This hyperbolic criticismthat Mueller is a coward, hiding something, himself colludingreeks of sour grapes, anger that the report did not magically remove Trump.
It is also anger misplaced.
Better those hurling the insults support the House as it exercises the many options it has, both for bringing this particular investigations discoveries to the public, and for going beyond it.
gordianot
(15,262 posts)That speaks for itself.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)gordianot
(15,262 posts)Not really sad just tired. I am sick of apologists. This mess will not end well.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)supported Democrats, and your assumption that Muellers desire not to testify in front of cameras
Is ideologically influenced. You ignore that claim.
I had no response to your fury; as to your prediction, the report is certainly not good news for Trump. Its findings and the evidence used to produce them can not change; they will provide the foundation for actions, now up to the House.
Meanwhile, 14 investigations are ongoing. And the House intelligence Committee will pursue the
counterintelligence side, which, although not a part of the report, had several embedded agents representing it.
rockfordfile
(8,712 posts)Some people fell for the bs that Trump was really this dislike/mad at Mueller. Just like people fell for the Russia propaganda against Clinton. Trump and the gop are un-American.
gordianot
(15,262 posts)When a President of the United States supports a North Korean dictator, not just jailing but executing what they see as political opposition, warehousing children in cages and worst of all vacating government ignoring the constitution this is not normal.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)The entire investigation was lead by Republicans which made me very dubious if they would actually due their duty by the nation. Why didn't Mueller say that his finding conclusively demonstrate that Trump committed obstruction of justice? I just don't buy it when hundreds of former prosecutors have stated in writing that the evidence is iron clad. If Mueller is the all American Boy Scout that he is advertised to be then I would think he would be in front of the cameras demanding justice. Seeing Rosenstein standing behind Barr was enough to make me throw up as Barr willfully misled the nation. I regard Mueller silence as unacceptable. Rosey is in Trump's pocket and gladly stabbed Comey in the back. I have concluded that every damn Republican is the enemy of the Republic.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)investigations, cases to be prosecuted, grand jury proceedings, and the counterintelligence evidence FBI, embedded in the Trump-Russia probe, gathered, by making speeches to the public!
He would totally discredit himself as the lead in the Trump-Russia probe, possibly give grounds for
cases to be thrown out, certainly throw evidence into question, and fuel Trump and Barrs argument against all these proceedings and the report for at least the next two years.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The prosecutor's attorneys are the ones making the charge in court as representatives of the legal system. He is playing the part of the police who investigate and turn over their finding to the prosecutor's office that then gains the approval to proceed with the charges as being substantive for trail.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)to denounce our corrupt administration. A DAs office is not bound by DOJ rules. So the comparison does not hold. Should Mueller have broken the policy against indicting a sitting president? I am not sure. I dont know enough to consider the pros and cons. Id be looking at how a change in policy could be used to haul off our next Democratic president.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I only responded to what you had written. If Trump was not being protected by some dubious interpretation of the law and especially nothing in the Constitution to justify it, he would be sitting in jail and raising bail. As hundreds of former prosecutors have stated they would have indicted him on the iron clad evidence. Let's just forget the rule of law and let Trump do what ever wishy-washy prosecutors like Mushy Mueller allow his to do including throwing people in jail like the people he so admires such as Kim Jong Un and Putin. I hold that it a damn sham at best. Mueller knows exactly what he is doing. Let's see what multi-million dollar pseudo job that he lands for services rendered that he will be awarded by his grateful fellow Republicans.
onlyadream
(2,168 posts)You have Nicole Wallace, Ana Nivaro, and many others Republicans that loath Trump. We dont really know where Muller falls.
gordianot
(15,262 posts)We are supposed to trust institutionalist, after watching Barr and Graham (with his walkbacks) I do not trust them. Good for the handful of Republican retirees who show a little concern.
Girard442
(6,088 posts)...of being dirty. I never really thought either he or Comey were before, but Im beginning to wonder.
lark
(23,206 posts)He seems to be putting party above our laws and principals. He is among the worst disappointments of my life. I thought was different, the one Repug who actually cared about country and constitution - but it seems I was so very sadly wrong.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)So disappointed. It feels maybe he's putting ego even over party. Like he wants to keep his reputation pristine. That testifying publicly will put too much light on his fallible self and disagreement with the party and Barr.
I say, tough shit. What makes him so special? He was paid to do a job. Now he needs to finish it, in public. The whole point was for our country, we the people who are the country, to learn the truth. Since when is one man's feelings more important than the truth, and the safety of our democracy?
Mueller's need for private hearings is astoundingly selfish, in my opinion.
Boomerproud
(7,990 posts)the awful truth emerges. Tragic.
ALBliberal
(2,363 posts)email investigation but I do respect that he speaks out about the atrocities of Trump administration.
Magoo48
(4,729 posts)When he stopped working, Mueller forgot to drop off an unabused copy of our property, at our House, before he took off.
Auggie
(31,252 posts)the purpose of the investigation was to lay the ground work for others (meaning Congress) to follow and act on.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)srobertss
(261 posts)Maybe Im giving him too much credit. But I did read one report that he was most concerned about Republicans spin during a public hearing. Maybe he is afraid that they will feel compelled to perform more for Trumps pleasure in a public forum and that the truth has a better chance of emerging if the whole thing is more low key.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)I always held that he was NOT on our side. And we shouldn't get our hopes up. But now I suspect that its worse, and he was actively dampening and obscuring and generalizing the evidence just enough to give him the excuse not to make any indictments, and hand it off to a political ally to finish the job.
All Trump's whining about him was a purposeful staged response in order to fool the Democrats and MSM news into putting all our eggs in this one basket.
I only hope they drag him kicking and screaming to Congress, if they have to. My respect for him has dropped to zero.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
capechacon
(91 posts)Our expectations of Mueller were/are overblown: in his role as special prosecutor, he's clearly not a stalwart patriot willing to put himself and his reputation on the line for the good of the Republic. He's more like a competent contract employee....good at his proscribed responsibilities, but clearly less concerned about the ultimate fate of our democracy than his allegiance to the rules by which he supposedly operated.
Too bad, now perhaps more than ever, we needed someone in his position who was willing to openly speak truth to power. Mueller turns out to have been the wrong man at the wrong time. The Nation will suffer for it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)capechacon
(91 posts)No, people aren't "...upset that Mueller doesn't behave like the left-wing's Roy Cohn." They're upset that he is unwilling to put our Republic's welfare ahead of his reluctance to openly speak truth to power.
Duppers
(28,134 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)support from the criminal party he has served his entire adult career?
Mr. Mueller, perhaps history will vindicate your silence. At this moment in time, I am disappointed you call yourself a Marine. Your inaction is an embarrassment for those in uniform who serve in the courts of military justice.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)He untangled the mess with Russian election interference and documented it in the first half of volume 1 of the Mueller report. He documented Trump appointees interactions with Russian agents. And in volume 2, he documented, in detail, how Trump obstructed justice at every turn. But only a handful of people read the report. Millions in the country dont care about it; still more people cling to Trumps spin about no collusion.
We were wrong to consider Mueller to be some kind of savior of the republic. The only thing that can start to change our country is us. With our votes. Thats it until Democrats have more of a stake in government from the local to federal levels.
Our resistance is working to an extent, but we need to grasp the levers of power again.
Im more stressed today than usual. I am avoiding news for the most part, but its nearly impossible to escape how Trump is trashing the U.S. and giving cover to those authoritarians who want to see the U.S. destroyed. For all we know, he could have opened the floodgates to government computer networks so Russia can vacuum up as much information as it wants.
I feel tormented by the cover ups of migrant childrens deaths by the federal government, too. And so many other things. Im going to put the internet down for a while.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Good advice...
Enjoy today's final meal in rememberance of the fallen.
Ohioboy
(3,250 posts)Barr has succeeded in totally misrepresenting the report.
Golden Raisin
(4,619 posts)4-page bullshit "exoneration" summary and won themselves a PR coup.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hes alive and well. Living a great life.
Many soldiers, airmen, sailors, etc. are not.
Not a good comparison if that was your intention.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)My post has nothing to do with memorial day. I had to work today, it was any like any normal Monday for me.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not for many others.
UCmeNdc
(9,602 posts)Why not just come out publicly and defend and justify your conclusions?
JI7
(89,290 posts)i look forward to Mueller testifying but i know that will not change anything when it comes to Republicans in Congress and the maga trash that supports Trump.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,440 posts)because (My opinion) he'll have to admit that Barr interfered with the investigation and cut it short.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)All you - and the rest of us outsiders besides a very small group of people involved in the discussions - is that Miller has told the Judiciary Committee that he would rather give his opening statement publicly and then testify without cameras but on the record with a transcript available to the public.
The rest is just conjecture and unfounded hysteria.
Mike Nelson
(9,992 posts)
can testify next week. He can resign and call the NYT or WJ. He can deliver a soundbite that would start impeachment proceedings... he has not and I think we're beyond the point... he may never do any of that... He does not thing Trump is that big a threat, I guess... Mueller will collect his paycheck, enjoy his tax cut, and marvel at the conservative Supreme Court. He will probably defer questions to the report and say other things are referred to other investigators. He may consider his involvement done.