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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:25 AM May 2019

The Special Counsel is mandated to find possible evidence of criminal conduct. Period.

( Mueller punts and why anyone respects him is beyond me.)


Excerpt:
They are still waiting. Mueller has yet to testify despite Attorney General William Barr stating that he has no objections to him doing so. In the past week, it was confirmed that Mueller is resisting testifying in public. At the same time, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler indicated that his committee may indeed allow Mueller to appear in private with no subpoena, no cameras, and no cries of coverup. The media is remarkably uninterested in the reason for this demand from Muelller. After all, if you have no faith in Mueller, then you are an apostate within the Beltway.

So why is Mueller and his staff so worried and apprehensive about his answering questions in public? To answer that question, we must look at his report objectively, as agnostics rather than as advocates for one side or the other. Mueller has to address several glaring problems with how he carried out his responsibilities, including his reported failure to identify grand jury material, as requested by Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, which may have delayed the report.

The most troubling failure, however, was Mueller refusing to reach a conclusion on obstruction. He reached a conclusion on any crimes linked to collusion and stated that his staff could “not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” He then stated that he would not reach a conclusion on obstruction, without explaining why beyond citing past Justice Department memos stating that a sitting president cannot be indicted. His decision on this matter is incompatible with his mandate.

The special counsel is mandated to find possible evidence of criminal conduct. If Mueller is going to argue that he felt constrained by Justice Department memos, he was a failure as special counsel. I have argued, going back to my testimony in the Clinton impeachment hearings, that the Justice Department was wrong on those memos. Nothing in the Constitution says that a president has immunity from criminal charges. Nevertheless, one can accept these memos and still see the illogic in reading them as a bar to reaching conclusions as a special counsel.

https://jonathanturley.org/2019/05/27/why-mueller-may-be-fighting-a-public-hearing/





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The Special Counsel is mandated to find possible evidence of criminal conduct. Period. (Original Post) BeckyDem May 2019 OP
What do people expect? Moostache May 2019 #1
He refused to do his job, that is how I see this. BeckyDem May 2019 #2
It is up to the people to demand action and I hope more contact Pelosi. BeckyDem May 2019 #3
Becky, have you read the report? From your post I'd have to say no. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #4
I read it. BeckyDem May 2019 #5
I know Turley. He's political so grain of salt there. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #6
He's political? BeckyDem May 2019 #7
Vid of Turley inside, no comment needed, just his own words. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #8
Maybe you should listen to the end of what you post before you BeckyDem May 2019 #9
You're contradicting yourself. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #10
No, I am not. BeckyDem May 2019 #11
Absurd. His opinions ARE him. He is a Trump apologist. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #12
lol BeckyDem May 2019 #13

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
1. What do people expect?
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:45 AM
May 2019

Mueller is STILL GOP to the marrow...he may not agree with Barr and may find Trump loathsome and unfit, but he is NEVER going to publicly say so...

He also was never going to come straight out and say "Trump obstructed my investigation."; although if anyone bothers to read between the lines that is EXACTLY what he laid out in the statement today (denying that Trump was exonerated) and in the report itself (detailing 10 potential charges of obstruction for impeachment hearings to investigate and charge).

Mueller is done. Even if he is hauled in front of the Congress, he won't say anything more. He won't expand on his answers. He won't fill in gaps. He won't publicly state what he wrote in the report because in his eyes, the report is the truth.

There is precedent (Nixon, Clinton) for impeachment on obstruction.
There is evidence and then some that Trump is guilty.
There is no chance in hell the GOP will convict - especially after a generation plus of them have grown up on Fox News and the belief that had that been around in '74, Nixon would have stayed...

Impeachment will not remove the president, but failure to impeach WILL remove the Democratic Party to the sidelines for a generation if nothing is done now. It is already pathetic that the process was not formally started. It will be tragic and cost us EVERYTHING if we do not start right goddamn now.

Democrats, we elected you to DO YOU JOB...GET TO WORK ALREADY!!!

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
2. He refused to do his job, that is how I see this.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:51 AM
May 2019

I do not see how it can be interpreted any other way.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
5. I read it.
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:56 PM
May 2019

Turley read it too.



Jonathan Turley is a nationally recognized legal scholar who has written extensively in areas ranging from constitutional law to legal theory to tort law. After a stint at Tulane Law School, Professor Turley joined the GW Law faculty in 1990, and in 1998, became the youngest chaired professor in the school’s history.

He is the founder and executive director of the Project for Older Prisoners (POPS). He has written more than three dozen academic articles that have appeared in a variety of leading law journals including those of Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, and Northwestern Universities, among others. He most recently completed a three-part study of the historical and constitutional evolution of the military system.

Professor Turley has served as counsel in some of the most notable cases in the last two decades, including his representation of the Area 51 workers at a secret air base in Nevada; the nuclear couriers at Oak Ridge, Tennessee; the Rocky Flats grand jury in Colorado; Dr. Eric Foretich, the husband in the Elizabeth Morgan custody controversy; and four former U.S. Attorney Generals during the Clinton impeachment litigation. Professor Turley also has served as counsel in a variety of national security and terrorism cases, and has been ranked as one of the top 10 lawyers handling military cases.

He has served as a consultant on homeland security and constitutional issues, and is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues as well as tort reform legislation. He also is a nationally recognized legal commentator; he ranked 38th in the top 100 most cited ‘public intellectuals’ in a recent study by Judge Richard Posner and was found to be the second most cited law professor in the country.

He is a member of the USA Today board of contributors and the recipient of the “2005 Single Issue Advocate of the Year” – the annual opinion award for the Aspen Institute and The Week magazine. More than 400 of his articles on legal and policy issues regularly appear in national newspapers. He also has worked as the CBS and NBC legal analyst, respectively, during national controversies.

https://www.law.gwu.edu/jonathan-turley

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
6. I know Turley. He's political so grain of salt there.
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:00 PM
May 2019

If you've read the report and understand the DOJ restrictions Mueller was under, how can you conclude he's not doing what he's mandated to do?

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
8. Vid of Turley inside, no comment needed, just his own words.
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:09 PM
May 2019

You may want to rethink your belief in and defense
of him.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
9. Maybe you should listen to the end of what you post before you
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:14 PM
May 2019

make false claims about what he believes.

Turley is no fan of Trump and he makes clear the standards of what obstructions can be.

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