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uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:35 PM May 2019

"I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in..appearance before congress"

Last edited Wed May 29, 2019, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)

This is some bullshit

Watching faux, They're going on about Mueller closing the book about the investigation because he wont go before congress and go beyond the report.

Some bullshit

What Mueller said

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644237/robert-mueller-remarks-transcript

And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress.
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"I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in..appearance before congress" (Original Post) uponit7771 May 2019 OP
There is still a big elephant in the room to clear up for me... TCJ70 May 2019 #1
+1, just really disappointed in Mueller. Even FAUX News is questioning the OLC guidence uponit7771 May 2019 #2
I really do think it's because Jr is too stupid to prosecute bitterross May 2019 #41
When he said that I went "WTF?" He has no choice but to answer questions if subpoenaed. He will be dameatball May 2019 #3
He can dare congress to charge him and just do what Barr does and say he's not going to answer... uponit7771 May 2019 #5
Yeah, same here. He may go the Barr route on questioning, but I want to see him have to do it. dameatball May 2019 #6
Why didn't he get the Taxes RANDYWILDMAN May 2019 #4
Good questions. Delmette2.0 May 2019 #8
As he noted, H2O Man May 2019 #7
No, he was pretty clear and didn't qualify his words. Transcript and quote inside uponit7771 May 2019 #9
Read it again. H2O Man May 2019 #10
Mueller said he wasn't going to provide information "...in any appearance before congress" ... uponit7771 May 2019 #11
Clearly you H2O Man May 2019 #12
This is also false, Mueller also said "And the report is my testimony." I'm not into gaslighting ... uponit7771 May 2019 #13
Tell me what H2O Man May 2019 #14
Without emotions prove he's involved in any negotiations involving meeting congress. I've asked ... uponit7771 May 2019 #15
Come on. H2O Man May 2019 #16
Unnnnn, I don't see where in your response Mueller said he's negotiating with congress .... uponit7771 May 2019 #17
I believe I have respond like this on another thread. LakeArenal May 2019 #26
+1, I appreciate Mueller intimating Barr bold faced lied about his reasons for not charging but ... uponit7771 May 2019 #27
Congressional investigation will ask questions he hasn't answered. LakeArenal May 2019 #30
+1, right !! I didn't even think of those reasons. We also know Mueller's own words said out loud uponit7771 May 2019 #42
I did hear him touch on this - that the underlying evidence - they are working on Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #46
Well, I'm dense. Just heard Mueller say this again on PBS NewsHour. sprinkleeninow May 2019 #48
The key word is "public," I think. (the unredacted parts) Honeycombe8 May 2019 #22
No, Mueller was clear ... "any appearance before congress.", this is NOT helpful uponit7771 May 2019 #23
You're leaving out the rest of the sentence, which says "public." Honeycombe8 May 2019 #31
We agree, Mueller saying end of story and that's not helpful ... AT ALL!! uponit7771 May 2019 #32
His report helps Congress. That was his job. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #34
Mueller didn't work for the government for congress to be interested in what he wants. That's uponit7771 May 2019 #39
This is what stood out for me. Everything else Mueller said live love laugh May 2019 #18
+1, the other part that was new was Barr lied to congress about why Mueller would't charge. But yeah uponit7771 May 2019 #19
It's assumed it was concluded, unless there's evidence to the contrary, I think. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #35
No its not assumed it concluded on its own, Mueller outed another Barr lie TODAY ... there's no way uponit7771 May 2019 #40
I agree - he's done. But, I think he was trying to say - forget about me, Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #47
I don't care. The knuckledraggers need the TV version. displacedtexan May 2019 #20
I did read, Mueller litterally said he's not going to talk to congress outside of his report uponit7771 May 2019 #21
I don't care if they ask him to read aloud. Deplorables need to see it. displacedtexan May 2019 #24
agree'd and after 3 hours of FAUX news today Mueller hit them like a brick contradicting Barr. uponit7771 May 2019 #25
They just did. Mueller stated publicly his findings. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #36
Fine. Just read him Barr's testimony and ask if Barr accurately portrayed Raven123 May 2019 #28
Okay, IMHO, grumpyduck May 2019 #29
He said he's not providing any more information in any appearance of congress. That's not helpful uponit7771 May 2019 #33
What do you want to know that's not in the report and deals with obstruction? Honeycombe8 May 2019 #37
Why was the conspiracy investigation narrowed to Russian government exclusively and not cut outs uponit7771 May 2019 #38
There are so many unanswered questions SHRED May 2019 #43
I don't either, that's 3 of us ... I think Hoyt is on this track too and heard Mueller say this uponit7771 May 2019 #44
It makes no sense to me SHRED May 2019 #45

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
1. There is still a big elephant in the room to clear up for me...
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:36 PM
May 2019

...and that's why he didn't interview any of the Trumps. Particularly Jr in relation to the Trump Tower Meeting.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
41. I really do think it's because Jr is too stupid to prosecute
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:55 PM
May 2019

I know everyone says ignorance of the law is not a defense. That's really not the case. US law is massive and complicated. It's impossible to expect anyone to be familiar with all of it.

I think he didn't waste time on Jr. because Jr. really was too stupid to know what he was doing was wrong. To get an indictment and conviction he would have had to convince the grand jury and then Jr.'s lawyers to take a plea. He'd have to make the case Jr. knew what he was doing wrong and still did it anyway.

As much as I dislike Jr. I'd be pretty hard-pressed not to believe that he was ignorant of what he was doing.

dameatball

(7,411 posts)
3. When he said that I went "WTF?" He has no choice but to answer questions if subpoenaed. He will be
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:38 PM
May 2019

a private citizen by then, presumably. I may be missing something, but I don't think he would be able to specify or select any questions.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
5. He can dare congress to charge him and just do what Barr does and say he's not going to answer...
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:43 PM
May 2019

... that question.

This is some bullshit

I'm disappointed in Mueller

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,681 posts)
4. Why didn't he get the Taxes
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

Follow the finances and see if Donnie was up to his ears in Debt to people who want to be paid back in Rubles????

No direct interviews of Trump Family syndicate ???

What exactly did Flynn do to go scott free....?????

H2O Man

(73,715 posts)
7. As he noted,
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:49 PM
May 2019

there is an ongoing process to determine if Congress will get the underlying evidence, and that process does not involve him. Hence, he is not able to discuss that information -- unless the Congress gets access to it, either by negotiation with the DOJ or by way of the judicial system. It is important to understand that he is not saying he has made the decision to not address things other than the report. That is the current DOJ policy.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
9. No, he was pretty clear and didn't qualify his words. Transcript and quote inside
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:51 PM
May 2019
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644237/robert-mueller-remarks-transcript

"And the report is my testimony. ...I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in ANY appearance before congress"

Congress wants answers on other issues outside of the investigation, telling congress they wont get that is some bullshit

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
11. Mueller said he wasn't going to provide information "...in any appearance before congress" ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:23 PM
May 2019

... he didn't qualify his words.

If that's what he means I'd like to hear it from him but for right now I have his answer "... ANY appearance before congress."

There's a guy on FAUX News right now saying totally opposite of what Mueller said this morning and is currently stating Mueller would've said there were crimes if there were crimes.

That's not what Mueller said and what you're saying is not what Mueller said.

Mueller said ... "...in any appearance before congress"

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
13. This is also false, Mueller also said "And the report is my testimony." I'm not into gaslighting ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:28 PM
May 2019

.... when I have transcripts right in front of me.

H2O Man

(73,715 posts)
14. Tell me what
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:34 PM
May 2019

you see Mr. Mueller saying about the issue of the underlying information that Congress is seeking, and if he is in any way involved in the current negotiations between Congress and the DOJ.

Then, without emotion, apply that in a rational manner to what you are focused on. Keep in mind that Mr. Mueller is going by DOJ policy, as he notes.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
15. Without emotions prove he's involved in any negotiations involving meeting congress. I've asked ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:05 PM
May 2019

.... before, please no second hand accounts.

H2O Man

(73,715 posts)
16. Come on.
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:53 PM
May 2019

As I said, look at what he said specifically about the underlying evidence, and the negoiations between Congress and the DOJ. It's pretty simple. No "second hand accounts" needed. Just a quote that you continue to ignore:

"In addition, access to our underlying work product is being decided in a process that does not involve our office."

Also -- not second hand -- Mr. Mueller stated at least three times that he is guided by DOJ policy. You know that the DOJ has NOT turned over that information. Hence, Mr. Mueller believes -- no matter if you or I think he's right or wrong -- that he is prevented by the current DOJ policy. Until there is a resolution to the conflict between the House and DOJ, he will not answer those questions.

This does not mean the sky is falling. The courts will resolve it in the Democrats' favor.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
17. Unnnnn, I don't see where in your response Mueller said he's negotiating with congress ....
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:16 PM
May 2019

... and I'm literally sick of trying to figure out what a grown ass'd man is supposed to be saying.

I'm even sicker of hearing other people interpretations

I do understand this

And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
27. +1, I appreciate Mueller intimating Barr bold faced lied about his reasons for not charging but ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

... telling congress that he's not going to give testimony is some bullshit.

How in the world do we make an iron clad case if the lead investigator is saying he's not going to talk.

LakeArenal

(28,895 posts)
30. Congressional investigation will ask questions he hasn't answered.
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:14 PM
May 2019

I want to see and hear it. I don’t want to read 400 pages. Maybe I’m dyslexic, or maybe, my eyesight is poor. Or my reading comprehension isn’t the best. Or whatever.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
42. +1, right !! I didn't even think of those reasons. We also know Mueller's own words said out loud
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

... would socialize 10 times faster than anything read

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
46. I did hear him touch on this - that the underlying evidence - they are working on
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:13 PM
May 2019

getting that to congress. someone posted a transcript. I remember it though - since I was thinking, just like Slate article said, just take the report, with the evidence and draw up articles and boom - impeach. Don't even worry about dragging the people in. Just get it on the record and move on to protecting the next election.

Sorry, that's my interpretation

sprinkleeninow

(20,272 posts)
48. Well, I'm dense. Just heard Mueller say this again on PBS NewsHour.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:28 PM
May 2019

Plus what's floating around on the news channels:

'A question of is impeachment right or will it work.'

Rep. Gerry Connolly, VA, member oversight committee, poses why didn't Mueller subpoena dump like Clinton was subpoenaed. This guy was well spoken/versed in his position. Cool guy.

Mueller resigned. Now subpoena 'him' as a private citizen.

Obstruction was committed by vividly actively attempting to shut down the 'investigation'.

Why wasn't dotard, jr. called to testify.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. The key word is "public," I think. (the unredacted parts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:29 PM
May 2019

Congress does not have the full unredacted report. So Mueller can't testify to the redacted parts (the parts not made public). Mueller isn't involved in legal fight to get the full unredacted report.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. You're leaving out the rest of the sentence, which says "public."
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:20 PM
May 2019
“The report is my testimony,” he said. “I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before Congress.”


and he stated that Congress and the AG are working on the issue of getting the remainder of the report (or something along those lines), and "I am not involved in that process."

So if he testifies NOW...his testimony would be limited to what's public in a partial report.

If Congress got the full report, and he testified after that, his testimony would be broadened to the full report (what is "public" ).

But that's splitting hairs. He was saying he's not going to get into his impressions, the whys and wherefores of his investigation, why he interrogated this person or that person, etc. His job was to do the investigation and write the report about it. End of story, is what he's saying.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. His report helps Congress. That was his job.
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:29 PM
May 2019

He doesn't want a dog and pony show or getting into things that don't really help Congress do its job.

I think he gave the public statement for the benefit of the public. So the public can hear it straight from him, his findings about Russian interference, conspiracy, and obstruction. He recognized that the public was misinformed or misunderstood the findings. So straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Oh, well. Now it's Congress's turn.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
39. Mueller didn't work for the government for congress to be interested in what he wants. That's
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:51 PM
May 2019

... some privileged BS there and it's not up to him to tell congress what's help for their jobs.

Congress can't make an iron-clad case against Trump when the investigator says he's not going to talk to congress.

that's some bs right there

live love laugh

(13,227 posts)
18. This is what stood out for me. Everything else Mueller said
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:20 PM
May 2019

today was repetitive. This is new. This says to Congress basically “I’m not telling you anything.” It means you will never even know why the investigation wrapped or who gave the order.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
19. +1, the other part that was new was Barr lied to congress about why Mueller would't charge. But yeah
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:22 PM
May 2019

... Mueller disappointed me on this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. It's assumed it was concluded, unless there's evidence to the contrary, I think.
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:32 PM
May 2019

Mueller is pretty thorough. I think he probably would say, or hint, that there was more to do, more people to talk to, if he hadn't done all that he needed to do.

But whatever the reason, it doesn't help Congress do its job to know if Barr ordered it to be concluded, which is possible.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
40. No its not assumed it concluded on its own, Mueller outed another Barr lie TODAY ... there's no way
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:52 PM
May 2019

... that anything Barr says should be taken at face value

NOTHING

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. I agree - he's done. But, I think he was trying to say - forget about me,
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:19 PM
May 2019

forget about Barr, forget about process - just move forward. But, you are right - we may never know what happened. It's fishy as hell, for sure. He probably wasn't even done. Sickening. But, unless he goes broke, and writes a book...? He seems WAY too anal and straight to want to go out and have a beer with.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
24. I don't care if they ask him to read aloud. Deplorables need to see it.
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:50 PM
May 2019

And I wasn't referring to you. Pretty much all of us here have read it. And we don't have to see Mueller testify, but the knuckledraggers came to their senses in '74, and it's worth a shot today.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
25. agree'd and after 3 hours of FAUX news today Mueller hit them like a brick contradicting Barr.
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:53 PM
May 2019

... but I don't think Mueller is helping by not answering the 1000's of questions that his report brings up.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
36. They just did. Mueller stated publicly his findings.
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:35 PM
May 2019

Do you think it would make a difference if he read the public parts aloud? The House Democrats already did that. I wonder how many people tuned in to CSPAN to watch. I didn't (but I don't have cable).

The public is going to watch this public statement, at least. It's much shorter than a hearing and is on the cable news.

Raven123

(4,949 posts)
28. Fine. Just read him Barr's testimony and ask if Barr accurately portrayed
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:12 PM
May 2019

Mueller’s summary and his conversations.

grumpyduck

(6,297 posts)
29. Okay, IMHO,
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:12 PM
May 2019

1. He can't talk about the redacted stuff because it's redacted.

2. If he did, the question would come up, why is that not in the report? Then it would be either, it's not relevant or it was redacted.

3. He can't talk about the "other stuff" because it doesn't involve his office (or his previous office, if you will).

4. BUT he did say it's all in there -- which to me is a hint that Congress should insist on the report being un-redacted.

As far as whether he meant he wouldn't talk to Congress, I'm not going there. I don't like to second-guess people.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
33. He said he's not providing any more information in any appearance of congress. That's not helpful
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:25 PM
May 2019

... and congress has clearance for what needs to be talked about

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. What do you want to know that's not in the report and deals with obstruction?
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:37 PM
May 2019

Or deals with a reason for impeachment?

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
38. Why was the conspiracy investigation narrowed to Russian government exclusively and not cut outs
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:47 PM
May 2019

... and proxies?

That and 1000 other questions

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
43. There are so many unanswered questions
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:44 PM
May 2019

And so many here on DU defending him not to answer.

I don't get it.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
44. I don't either, that's 3 of us ... I think Hoyt is on this track too and heard Mueller say this
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:48 PM
May 2019

... at the end of his presser.

The presidential historian on MSNBC said he doesn't think Mueller would ignore a subpoena, of course Mueller wouldn't. Mueller would just say he's not going to answer questions about A, B or C and leave it at that then dare congress to take the next steps.

This is some bullshit right here, if Mueller thinks America's election systems are still vulnerable then he should be screaming from the mountain tops.

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