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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmid all the angst, hand wringing, manufactured outrage, and teeth gnashing
anyone consider this was a coordinated move by the dems and Mueller?
BTW - i read elsewhere that today he resigned his position at DOJ.
Not one of the many threads here mentioned that.
H2O Man
(73,715 posts)While I'm not surprised by some of the ill-informed and uninformed posts on DU this morning, it is a shame that people don't take the time to understand exactly what Mr. Mueller said -- and why.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)i'm wondering just what he could have said or did to satisfy all that angst.
LakeArenal
(28,896 posts)I listened and am not uninformed. I also heard what he said.
However if he testifies he could clear up all our ill-informed condemnation.
H2O Man
(73,715 posts)who you are. This is the first thing I can recall ever reading from you. Hence, trust me when I say that I was not commenting on your thoughts. Make sense?
LakeArenal
(28,896 posts)and am pretty negatively amped up over it, wonder why your interpretation of that ambiguous statement is necessarily the correct one.
That's nice.
LakeArenal
(28,896 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)noticed this much here. typically when you say something factually incorrect - you get any immediate response. Most of us, if we've been around awhile, know to try and insure what we are saying is true fact, and readily accept a kind correction. Yet, opinion is a whole different animal.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Congress needs a push. He gave it to them.
He also pushed us to pressure them to act.
GoCubsGo
(32,103 posts)But, I do think he is more or less on the same page as the Dems. He is just under different constraints. And, yes. I did hear that he is retiring from DOJ. Hopefully, things will be different when he's out from under those restraints. I think this was, in part, a set-up for that.
CrispyQ
(36,582 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Skittles
(153,321 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)"shit, Mueller, you said nothing ! ..." and you are also saying the Dems and Mueller are working together somehow?? I'd be happy to consider that...but where do you see evidence of that?
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)explain what you think I am doing wrong, thinking wrong. I always prefer to analyze when possible. Like, even if you don't like what I say, instead of just throwing something out, disparaging...perhaps analyze pros and cons, and offer a defense? I am always welcome to that. I only want to seek truth.
H2O Man
(73,715 posts)responses on this thread in the past 24 hours, not any OP by you. Generally, I enjoy your posts on DU, and that includes those times that I might either disagree somewhat or completely with your thinking. While I do not know you well, I know you well enough to respect you. Hence, my comments on this OP/thread have in no way been directed at you ....until this one, which is obviously a direct response.
If you look at the posts on DU:GD from two periods -- the immediate responses to Barr's 3.5 summary of the Mueller Report and to Mr. Mueller's press briefing yesterday -- you will find a significant number of them are rooted in emotional reactions that demonstrate a lack of understnding of the facts. Fewer are responses that take a rational, factual understanding of the event.
For but one example, yesterday Mr. Mueller repeatedly said he was going by DOJ policy, something that should surprise no one at this point. Yet many people here mistook that for him saying that DOJ policy and his opinion are exactly the same. That he believes that indicting a president is "unconstitutional" being but one example. Surely, he is aware that this is DOJ policy, based on three written opinions since 1974, two of which state a president can't be indicted, one saying he/she can be. Ideed, it is safe to say that Mr. Mueller is fully aware that this policy has never been tested in court, the only place it could possibly be determined if it is "constitutional." Yet in the current circumstances, he is not in position to test this -- only his supervisor, be it Barr or Rosenstein, could have given the green light to attempt that.
Our country is in a terrible position right now. We really do not have the luxury of remaining ignorant about how the system works -- including how it is intended to work, and how shitheads like Trump and Barr are abusing nd corrupting it. There are days when I have more patience with people who are uninformed. Yesterday, due to a variety of personal circumstances, was not one of them.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)of us had such high hopes for a black and white conclusion out of Mueller. Hell, we've been talking about it for two years. Few knew his scope would be so limited. In retrospect, these feelings were unrealistic and unfounded. So I am thinking what you are seeing now is just this viceral and highly emotional release of all the disappointment. (Speaking for myself anyway).
I already feel myself coming down to earth . This whole thing is so much more complex than one ever imagined. Like I never heard anyone ever point out that Mueller's farming out of alleged trump crimes would actually weaken our impeachment case and puts the House in a bind having to somehow investigate those issues in tandem? (If they want to add into impeachment articles).
Totally agree...wish we had less arguing and more educating each other. And it is up to each of us to research and learn.
Hope whatever you had to deal with works out ok!
JI7
(89,290 posts)Democrats have to figure out how to do it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Trump.
It's like we are have proof he committed impeachable crimes 1-10. (When we get Mueller underlying evidence). BUT in the meantime, various other impeachable offenses are being handled outside Mueller's scope. And these won't get litigated and resolved anytime soon. And it is and will be difficult to replicate these investigations in the House because they are getting stonewalled.
How about "Impeachment Articles of Donald J Trump - Volume 1"