it is time to move forward expose Trump's lies and dirt and see if something shakes out in the end that changes the GOP caucus' mind. However unlikely that the GOP Senators overcome their moral cowardice, time to move forward even if the House couches it in oversight hearings.

If we impeach this fucker, and lay out all the evidence against him in doing so, AND THEN the Senate doesn't convict him...it will be pretty damn hard for a lot of them to keep their jobs come election day.

Mitch can do whatever the fuck he wants to cover his ass. But at this point , I think it will cost him a very great deal to do so (possibly their majority), and even if Mitch gets to keep his own seat, a Dem majority can expell him from the body, can they not?

Who cares if we impeach Trump for x and y, and we lose.
As long as defending his worthless ass costs them the Senate, we can always bring impeachment charges for Z.

And that's IF he keeps his job...which I don't think he will.
At a minimum, the house should begin these proceddings to write down a list of chargable offenses to hand over to various state and federal prosecutors THE MOMENT Trump is out of office (when he CAN be indicted)...again, who cares if he gets kicked out by congress, or the electorate.

Yes. And the same people who buy into that statement (or tweets) will TOTALLY buy into an acquittal by the Senate. Right? Believers gonna' believe. MAGA hats gonna' MAGA. And no amount of evidence or truth has EVER stopped Trump from spewing his endless stream of lies. So, sorry .. what Trump has to say, or will say, doesn't cut a lot of ice around here.

The Turtle will oppose anything House sends over. That includes Impeachment.

The House needs to send over iron clad Articles of Impeachment and let the let the voters decide if the R's are worthy of re-election.

The Impeachment hearings need to be broadcast and every Dem needs to be able to defend every line item of the Impeachment.

the Senate is required to take a vote

They can change to opt out. Personally, I think this is what they would do. Just like nothing happened. They don't want to be asked, " why didn't you try? Ate you saying 10 counts of obstruction no big deal?"

Looks very bad, which could be very good for Dems.

Which is the worst from their point of view?

1. Try. Then there will be more exposure of trump crimes. And senators have to vote yes or no. They will look bad iand have to explain to public why they don’t care about lawlessness. We could do Great ads against them on this.

2. Change rules and don’t try. Look like stooges for WH...and something to hide. If Dems smart they would treat a yes vote on rule change as equal to a no vote on impeachment conviction. Still, we could do some good ads

3. Hold sham trial. Heard this yesterday but not sure what it entails. Like trickery before anything happens and they adjourn?

thinks he has the power to change rules and procedures regarding impeachment, the Democrats will scorn him especially Senator Schumer.

I want that POS McConnell to just go away. Doesn't he have enough of his blood money??

I was not there when the report initially came out, but it is beyond the point of not doing it now.

Because most people think he’s non-partisan and he spent two years looking at it with the best
Prosecutorial team around. We missed the first point, when it first came out. But we now have a second chance with today’s statement. But if we let this go on without at least announcing intent..it’s a big missed opportunity and it just naturally becomes more partisan looking.

He says it is the perfect phrase of diplomacy. You appease the person who is saying it without agreeing or disagreeing. You can, in actuality, half agree, or think the person is full of shit. It doesn't matter

You're full of shit.

(JUST KIDDING!) Seriously, I really did mean you might be right...I'm just not sure. I've been thinking all along that Congress needs to get their ducks in a row, interrogate a few witnesses whose testimony in the Mueller report may not be clear, decide whether to impeach on just obstruction or on more "high crimes and misdemeanors," etc.

But now, I think it might be important to impeach soon after the Mueller statement, before it becomes a forgotten thing of the past.

But bear in mind, they don't even have the full unredacted report, so they don't even know all the evidence Mueller relied on. So any impeachment now will not be complete and include everything. But that may not matter, if they have enough to base impeachment on. (I know WE think so, but we want to make as many people as possible also think so.)

(I didn't know I was diplomatic! No one has ever accused me of that, so maybe I'm becoming more agreeable as I age.)

seemed obvious weeks ago that Trump won't let them. I haven't kept up, but has anyone actually scheduled a time to speak before House? I know Hope Hicks was on list. And Junior (bad mistake, he will only support his Dad) - no way will he actually produce anything.

I would agree to investigations if they were related to the obstruction crimes Mueller outlined. Trump is a MASTER at dragging things out through the legal system. It could take forever.

Even though they won at the District Court level, & that court didn't delay Trump's accountant producing the records while Trump appealed, the Dems struck a deal that said they'd voluntarily delay the production until the Appellate Court date, if the court would hear the appeal this summer. The App Ct will hear that in JULY. So Congress wouldn't even get those docs until JULY at earliest, then would have to study them, and have the accountant testify.

That will take a long time.

I think the House was hoping to include fraud in any impeachment, since we're all sure he committed fraud with his financial dealings. If they impeach now, they can't do that.

Courts and entities looking into various things. Is it like they (House) know what's not covered by someone else? Or are we just talking timing. IOW, if SDNY investigating trump foundation, then the house knows they won't conclude in time to throw any of their conclusions in? Sorry for the ramble. Hope you get my gist.

But no one's investigation and getting financial records is going to conclude right away. So if the House files impeachment papers, it won't include any financial crimes.

The House has also not gotten Trump's tax returns, so any irregularities or crimes associated with that (including payments from Russia), would not be part of any immediate impeachment.

Trump-related crime investigations has really weakened our impeachment case. Because none will conclude in time to wrap up with obstruction and the stormy payt.

So the House is hoping that if they can get financial records they can quickly find some impeachment worthy crimes?

Link to tweet

take a day to analyze and uncover wrongdoing. It would probably take a long period of intense forensic accounting. Its not like he's gonna have a line item on his balance sheet liabilities entitled "Due to Russia"

That's what's weird. If Mueller's scope was to see if there was collusion with Russia, you would think he'd have to look at financials to see if anyone paid Russia for interfering.

People were killing protesters and innocents but being let off by juries if they were ever charged. After seeing this happen time and again, the DOJ started to file Federal charges for rights violations. This didn't convict on murder charges, but the Feds avoided double jeopardy and handed out long sentences to the criminals.

Impeach the bastard and if Mitch lets him off, we hit him when he's out of office. He will continue to break laws until he's behind bars, so statute of limitations won't apply to everything. At his age, even a 5 year sentence could amount to life.

volume 1 collusive crimes we all know are there. Shouldn't just pursue obstruction (clear as it is, it won't convince senate republicans). There's very bad stuff to be exposed and discussed...soon hopefully. There's LOT of counterintelligence info that few people currently know about. More people need to know.

See also https://twitter.com/SethAbramson

That's why you see Fox talking about the obstruction crimes that are described in the Mueller report. They HOPE that obstruction is the battleground...people are 'shocked' that Fox is openly saying Trump committed crimes...but they are admitting that in order to help cover up the obvious collusion and associated crimes.

If GOP admits to ANYTHING it's because they don't want to talk about how much worse things actually are.

So it could be included.

But Congress doesn't have time to do a full conspiracy investigation. The reps aren't experienced prosecutors or investigators, for one thing. But they could zero in on a few instances of aiding and abetting.

about meeting with Russians. If you are innocent makes zero sense. The devious ones left no proof that Mueller could find. Or Barr stopped him.

no matter what happens. this is understood. impeach him or not, he will be on offense, crazy, deranged, the eternal victim, distracting, projecting, and just generally being his inept, infantile, sick self.

he's already lied about it today. "case closed" my ass.

i think impeachment is imperative because it is the constitutional remedy for trump. with or without it, his rhetoric will be inflammatory and full of lies. we can be sure of that.

Does the preponderance of facts/evidence point to impeachable crimes. If it does then upholding the rule of law demands that you impeach. Note that the word "politics" does not appear in that statement.

I now expect Nancy to more aggressively on impeachment as strategically she can now do that.

What evidence is truly out there that Mueller didn't uncover or that hasn't been farmed out to another jurisdiction? I would love to know. And, does she really think that witnesses/docs will come freely? Already proven wrong (in our lifetime, anyway).

Strikes me like oversight is covered by Mueller or a court. If you don't want to impeach (obviously) then set your sights on protecting the election? Isn't that what Mueller's closing comment advised? Although, in my mind, immediate impeachment is called for - get the Mueller underlying evidence and move on ASAP, before people forget this day. Hitching your wagon to a non-partisan the optimum strategy for us - spreads out the GOP blame!!

There is not a single GOPer who wants to vote NO, I don't care about those crimes.

total exoneration.

will give his claim of exoneration credibility.

_ millions of people actually hearing all his crimes listed for the first time formally with evidence
- makes Republicans have to go on record and take a stand.that his behavior is ok.
-makes us look strong and motivates our base

And there's that pesky constitutional duty part.

But I won't change my mind and you won't either

with House investigations, don’t need to be impeachment.

They need to build the case of impeachment just like they did for Nixon, death by a thousand cuts