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babylonsister

(171,102 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:02 PM Jan 2020

'Somebody Should Go to the Slammer for This'...


‘Somebody Should Go to the Slammer for This’: Legal Experts Shocked and Appalled by DOJ’s Ukraine Redactions
by Colin Kalmbacher | 2:31 pm, January 2nd, 2020


The Department of Justice (DOJ) redacted a series of emails previously provided to a government transparency group. The subject matter of those emails touched upon the issue at the heart of the current national impeachment drama: President Donald Trump’s withholding of congressionally-appropriated military aid to Ukraine.

Redactions in government-provided documentation, of course, come with the territory. They are typical, expected and typically rife. And such knowledge, once blacked-out with the federal censor’s pen, almost always stays walled off. But at least some of those redactions have now been uncovered.

Centrist legal blog Just Security revealed that many of those redactions, inserted at the behest of Attorney General Bill Barr’s DOJ, contained evidence that at least two executive branch agencies–the Department of Defense (DOD) and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)–and numerous officials were deeply aware of concerns that Trump’s aid withholding scheme violated the Impoundment Control Act.

News of those significant redactions broke early Thursday morning and Law&Crime has a lengthy write-up of the overall story here. The amount of information released, however, is somewhat dizzying and part of an increasingly complex story line. We turned to the experts for the upshot of this groundbreaking release.

Federal defense attorney and computer law expert Tor Ekeland was appalled.

In an email, Ekeland rubbished DOJ’s decision-making:

This is a mess. Did they provide a redaction log listing the basis for their redactions, e.g., privilege or word product or what not? You just don’t get to redact things willy nilly because you don’t want information that looks bad coming to public view. There might be cognizable privilege claims for redaction here, but when you try to ascertain what, you quickly get mired in the confusion and chaos of this administration. In order to claim privilege for redactions, you first need to be clear on who is claiming the privilege, and what privilege is being claimed. It’s not immediately clear from this romper room mess.


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'Somebody Should Go to the Slammer for This'... (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
Trump Is A Dictator DanieRains Jan 2020 #1
Yeah. His Deplorables don't care. Their Dear Leader hates all the right people. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2020 #6
The fourth word in your response contains two extra syllables. 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #7
+1! FailureToCommunicate Jan 2020 #17
Look no farther, this is your coup. In plain sight. spanone Jan 2020 #2
Mussolini, Hitler...they took over "in plain sight" too... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #19
Bill Barr is the biggest danger this country has right now Perseus Jan 2020 #3
I think he's lost his fucking mind. ooky Jan 2020 #4
He should also be disbarred malaise Jan 2020 #8
He's just an asshole... czarjak Jan 2020 #11
"Smart" and "asshole" are NOT mutually exclusive... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #20
For me the word cunning probably fits better lunatica Jan 2020 #22
Barr is a criminal and he The Wizard Jan 2020 #5
+1000 mountain grammy Jan 2020 #9
Bill Barr is not America's A.G. but Trump's consigliere Botany Jan 2020 #10
Trump's Roy Cohn? LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #14
If we had a halfway decent media they would have outed Trump's mob connections and who was Roy ... Botany Jan 2020 #18
Romper Room Mess! Though actually, Romper Room was a model of control compared to this. catrose Jan 2020 #12
K&R nt redqueen Jan 2020 #13
There is no complex story line Marthe48 Jan 2020 #15
Was the DOJ involved outside of their terrritory? LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #16
Still more abuse of power and obstruction of justice NotASurfer Jan 2020 #21

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
6. Yeah. His Deplorables don't care. Their Dear Leader hates all the right people.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jan 2020

including them, they just don't know that.

Wounded Bear

(58,743 posts)
19. Mussolini, Hitler...they took over "in plain sight" too...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
3. Bill Barr is the biggest danger this country has right now
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jan 2020

He is very intelligent, he knows trump is a dummy, this is his best chance to rule the World. Bill Barr must be impeached.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. For me the word cunning probably fits better
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:41 PM
Jan 2020

Trump is also cunning. It’s the essence of his mental activity. It’s how criminals in search of power or in devious self preservation function mentally. Trump is trapped in the reality of his own Narcissistic needs. He can’t ever escape his own mental deviance. He doesn’t have that choice. Society has to decide for him.

Up to now he’s been encouraged and lauded which is a reflection of a dysfunctional society.

This also applies to his enablers. They see themselves in him.

Botany

(70,614 posts)
18. If we had a halfway decent media they would have outed Trump's mob connections and who was Roy ...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

... Cohen too. But no we heard non stop crap about HRC's email and server.

Marthe48

(17,047 posts)
15. There is no complex story line
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jan 2020

trump is a vindictive thug. He either hires other thugs (ie bill gfy barr, steven gfy miller, or uses information to get people to do what he wants them to do (ie lindsey gfy graham). Or say what he wants them to (ie franklin gfy graham). Or pay for what he wants them to do (ie michael cohen).

trump and his thugs think the government is a private business and they can do what they want. I can't wait for the 10 ton weight to crash on their crime spree.

LiberalFighter

(51,170 posts)
16. Was the DOJ involved outside of their terrritory?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jan 2020

I would think the DOD and OMB would be the departments that would do the redactactions.

NotASurfer

(2,156 posts)
21. Still more abuse of power and obstruction of justice
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jan 2020

All to cover up exactly the same thing he was impeached for. And a couple hours after this, the administration assassinates an Iranian general in a public and dramatic fashion to change the focus.

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