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If you smoke and want to work at U-Haul International, you had better submit your job application pretty soon.
The truck and trailer rental company one of Arizona's largest employers plans to stop interviewing and hiring nicotine users. The nicotine-free policy, which includes e-cigarettes and vaping products, will go into effect in Arizona and 20 other states where the company operates starting Feb. 1. People hired before then won't be affected.
The Phoenix-based company, which employs around 4,000 people in Arizona and 30,000 across the U.S. and Canada, expects the policy will help create a more healthy corporate culture.
U-Haul on Dec. 10 broke ground on a 54,208-square-foot conference and fitness center that will become a focal point of its campus at 2727 N. Central Ave.
The company also offers other programs including one focused on nutrition, fitness and other aspects of wellness.
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Triloon
(506 posts)in the interest of enforcing conformity in corporate culture is "Wellness"?
Hums a little old tune.. 'It is the dawning of the age of hysteria.."
Aristus
(66,481 posts)The underlying message is: "If you want to smoke, go work for someone else".
I'm not confident this will result in an increase in smokers opting to quit. But one can hope...
Triloon
(506 posts)What will they do? Body searches of employees for nicotine patches? Blood tests? Gum testing? Check social media for evidence of vaping off company hours? It's not about wellness, its about conformity and marketing. Plus, theyve probably negotiated a break on insurance premiums, so it's about profit too. But you are right, no one is forced to work for the sunzabitches.
Aristus
(66,481 posts)Why should a company have to pay to treat the preventable illnesses that smokers are at risk for? Smoking is a choice, not something one is born with.
I think the rules of workplace non-smoking should conform to privacy laws and search and seizure regulations. But if a company finds out incidentally that an employee smokes, they are within their rights to fire him/her.
PSPS
(13,623 posts)"Pooled risk" is the foundation of proper health insurance. The larger the pool, the better. As soon as you start peeling people into their own "class" or "pool," you have the joke we have today -- health insurance only for the healthy or those that are "properly behaved." All others go into high-risk pools with enormous premiums or "pretend" insurance with $10K or higher deductibles..
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,472 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)preventable. Really SMH.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Our firm has two rates for premiums, one for smokers and then the preferred rate, which now to qualify for you have to go to a health coach. From what I can gather, anyone over 50 are required to go though this BS if they want to have the lower rate. Obviously at 55, my health is going to be different than 25 year old, but that is not considered. Since they are phone calls from some someone who doesnt know me, I just tell them what they want to hear.
I dont smoke cigarettes and its been 25 years since I had weed.
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)be familiar with it! Of course, being a life-long non-smoker, nor user of any other tobacco or nicotine-related product, it's never been a major concern of mine. I am aware of a few who have been cheating the system for years, and have yet to get caught.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Or people who dont exercise.
The company should give out free fitness trackers and fire the lazy ones who dont have a healthy lifestyle.
hatrack
(59,594 posts)So in the end you can have two groups of people: those young and healthy enough to afford health insurance (who don't really need it), and those aging and sick enough to need it (who can't really get it).
PatSeg
(47,675 posts)I think there should be a limit to what an employer can require when employees are off the clock. Where do you draw the line?
jmowreader
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(8,231 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have no idea how they plan to figure out which applicants smoke. Basically they are blowing smoke and would be better off gradually making their campuses non-smoking, you will be surprised how effective that route is, and legal (which I am not sure not hiring smokers is).
BTW, I worked in corporate America, I never saw heavy people or smokers denied jobs that they could do. There are clearly some jobs that say a heavy person can't do, but typically 95% of the jobs they could do without issue.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Having well defined reasons why people can't do something in some areas is perfectly legal.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)I'm diabetic, and my appetite is gone. Have to force myself to eat sometimes.
Still fat but is going away.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)PSPS
(13,623 posts)That is what it sounds like. Nothing worse than an ex-smoker on a mission. I made it a point to never be like that when I quit.
TeamPooka
(24,273 posts)hardluck
(641 posts)How is it discriminatory?
boston bean
(36,224 posts)hardluck
(641 posts)Although alcoholism can be a disability under the ADA which may require the employer to provide reasonable accommodations.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Every place around my town has hiring signs. How dumb can you be?
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Don't know how they check if you are a smoker or not.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)adjoining areas where smoking and any open flame can be dangerous.
I don't see how U-Haul figures out who smokes and who doesn't without people being ratted out. Companies are within their rights to make their campuses non smoking zones entirely, that doesn't infringe on a smoker's or vaper's rights, but does prevent said people from exposing non smokers or non vapers to the risks of secondhand smoke, and importantly for some companies, it keeps smokers from lighting up near areas where such an action can be dangerous.
hunter
(38,338 posts)... built for the hardest core nicotine addicted patients.
I've seen people out there in fifty degree weather wearing hospital gowns and pushing I.V. stands.
The oral nicotine alternatives offered must not have been enough.
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(8,231 posts)LisaM
(27,846 posts)Our company has an (optional) wellness program that I don't participate in because I think it's intrusive and that one intent is to find grounds to fire people. (I am also healthy, and have taken fewer than five sick days in 20 years). And I don't smoke.
I just think this is going too far. Smoking is legal. I can see testing people who are drivers for things that might cause impairment, like alcohol and drugs, before they head out on the road, but this sounds as if it's at their offices. Or maybe it's mechanics and people in the rental companies, I don't know. I just don't think it's right. What if they decided not to hire anyone who's on a prescription, even if it's legal? Aren't opioids just as much of a problem to insurance companies as smokers?
ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)Havent had a smoking thread in AGES...
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Smokers are kicked out if they smoke on the property. There are big red smoking is not permitted on the premises signs as you enter here.
The housing is disability housing.
I am so glad I never smoked.