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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:40 PM Jan 2020

U-Haul to stop hiring smokers and nicotine users in Arizona, 20 other states

If you smoke and want to work at U-Haul International, you had better submit your job application pretty soon.

The truck and trailer rental company — one of Arizona's largest employers — plans to stop interviewing and hiring nicotine users. The nicotine-free policy, which includes e-cigarettes and vaping products, will go into effect in Arizona and 20 other states where the company operates starting Feb. 1. People hired before then won't be affected.

The Phoenix-based company, which employs around 4,000 people in Arizona and 30,000 across the U.S. and Canada, expects the policy will help create a more healthy corporate culture.
U-Haul on Dec. 10 broke ground on a 54,208-square-foot conference and fitness center that will become a focal point of its campus at 2727 N. Central Ave.

The company also offers other programs including one focused on nutrition, fitness and other aspects of wellness.

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U-Haul to stop hiring smokers and nicotine users in Arizona, 20 other states (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2020 OP
So, the corporate repression of individual rights Triloon Jan 2020 #1
I guess private corporations are allowed to do that. Aristus Jan 2020 #3
of course they're allowed to do that, but it's not about smoking. Triloon Jan 2020 #6
Lower insurance premiums for non-smokers are something I can get behind. Aristus Jan 2020 #7
Exclusions/exceptions are not part of real health insurance PSPS Jan 2020 #12
This. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #14
+1 leftstreet Jan 2020 #32
How about lower insurance premiums for skinny people too? Are people born fat or is that UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #19
That will be next TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #36
I am concerned that it is a slippery slope. madinmaryland Jan 2020 #20
My employer has been doing this for years. This is a large corporation - every DUer would bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #25
Or the obese, or people over 50 jberryhill Jan 2020 #26
Up next, BMI screenings; after that, genetic testing; maybe flat-out age cohort blocking after that hatrack Jan 2020 #33
It does come across as much too intrusive to me PatSeg Jan 2020 #8
There's a piss test for smoking jmowreader Jan 2020 #31
It's very easy to fake a piss test. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jan 2020 #11
The underlying message is we are a company that discriminates...I wonder what's next. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #18
Smoking related illness is a major problem for large employers. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #15
So is obesity. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #21
Yes. That is why large employers invest in gyms and wellness programs for employees. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #23
Do they say if you're fat you can't work here????? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #24
U-Haul said that it would stop hiring smokers. Blue_true Jan 2020 #27
I'm all for having no smoking areas etc....but this to me just feels wrong. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #28
Selecting a class of people to blanket not hire is wrong. Blue_true Jan 2020 #29
We agree. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #34
I have lost 50 pounds in the space of a year. I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2020 #40
It makes no sense they make lozenges so you don't have to take a smoke break JonLP24 Jan 2020 #2
LOL. I guess the owner recently stopped smoking. PSPS Jan 2020 #4
You're right PatSeg Jan 2020 #9
sounds pretty discriminatory to me. TeamPooka Jan 2020 #5
Are smokers now a protected class? hardluck Jan 2020 #38
Are alcohol drinkers? Another major cause of health and societal problems and costs. boston bean Jan 2020 #41
No they're not hardluck Jan 2020 #42
But maybe they should be testing people for it and not hire them. boston bean Jan 2020 #43
Companies already can't find enough workers. blueinredohio Jan 2020 #10
I interviewed at a hospital that had this policy too Beringia Jan 2020 #13
My preference is posting "no smoking" signs in areas and Blue_true Jan 2020 #16
They'll see you out in the far side of the parking lot in the shelter... hunter Jan 2020 #17
Hey maybe next Uhaul will not want to hire gay people or fat ones...oh wait that's discrimination.nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #22
I don't like this. LisaM Jan 2020 #30
Whoa ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #35
In the apartment complex where I live I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2020 #39

Triloon

(506 posts)
1. So, the corporate repression of individual rights
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020

in the interest of enforcing conformity in corporate culture is "Wellness"?
Hums a little old tune.. 'It is the dawning of the age of hysteria.."

Aristus

(66,481 posts)
3. I guess private corporations are allowed to do that.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jan 2020

The underlying message is: "If you want to smoke, go work for someone else".

I'm not confident this will result in an increase in smokers opting to quit. But one can hope...

Triloon

(506 posts)
6. of course they're allowed to do that, but it's not about smoking.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:53 PM
Jan 2020

What will they do? Body searches of employees for nicotine patches? Blood tests? Gum testing? Check social media for evidence of vaping off company hours? It's not about wellness, its about conformity and marketing. Plus, theyve probably negotiated a break on insurance premiums, so it's about profit too. But you are right, no one is forced to work for the sunzabitches.

Aristus

(66,481 posts)
7. Lower insurance premiums for non-smokers are something I can get behind.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

Why should a company have to pay to treat the preventable illnesses that smokers are at risk for? Smoking is a choice, not something one is born with.

I think the rules of workplace non-smoking should conform to privacy laws and search and seizure regulations. But if a company finds out incidentally that an employee smokes, they are within their rights to fire him/her.

PSPS

(13,623 posts)
12. Exclusions/exceptions are not part of real health insurance
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jan 2020

"Pooled risk" is the foundation of proper health insurance. The larger the pool, the better. As soon as you start peeling people into their own "class" or "pool," you have the joke we have today -- health insurance only for the healthy or those that are "properly behaved." All others go into high-risk pools with enormous premiums or "pretend" insurance with $10K or higher deductibles..

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
19. How about lower insurance premiums for skinny people too? Are people born fat or is that
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:44 PM
Jan 2020

preventable. Really SMH.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
20. I am concerned that it is a slippery slope.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020

Our firm has two rates for premiums, one for smokers and then the preferred rate, which now to qualify for you have to go to a health coach. From what I can gather, anyone over 50 are required to go though this BS if they want to have the lower rate. Obviously at 55, my health is going to be different than 25 year old, but that is not considered. Since they are phone calls from some someone who doesn’t know me, I just tell them what they want to hear.

I don’t smoke cigarettes and it’s been 25 years since I had weed.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
25. My employer has been doing this for years. This is a large corporation - every DUer would
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jan 2020

be familiar with it! Of course, being a life-long non-smoker, nor user of any other tobacco or nicotine-related product, it's never been a major concern of mine. I am aware of a few who have been cheating the system for years, and have yet to get caught.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. Or the obese, or people over 50
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

Or people who don’t exercise.

The company should give out free fitness trackers and fire the lazy ones who don’t have a healthy lifestyle.

hatrack

(59,594 posts)
33. Up next, BMI screenings; after that, genetic testing; maybe flat-out age cohort blocking after that
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

So in the end you can have two groups of people: those young and healthy enough to afford health insurance (who don't really need it), and those aging and sick enough to need it (who can't really get it).

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
8. It does come across as much too intrusive to me
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

I think there should be a limit to what an employer can require when employees are off the clock. Where do you draw the line?

Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. U-Haul said that it would stop hiring smokers.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

I have no idea how they plan to figure out which applicants smoke. Basically they are blowing smoke and would be better off gradually making their campuses non-smoking, you will be surprised how effective that route is, and legal (which I am not sure not hiring smokers is).

BTW, I worked in corporate America, I never saw heavy people or smokers denied jobs that they could do. There are clearly some jobs that say a heavy person can't do, but typically 95% of the jobs they could do without issue.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. Selecting a class of people to blanket not hire is wrong.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:14 PM
Jan 2020

Having well defined reasons why people can't do something in some areas is perfectly legal.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
40. I have lost 50 pounds in the space of a year.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:31 AM
Jan 2020

I'm diabetic, and my appetite is gone. Have to force myself to eat sometimes.

Still fat but is going away.

PatSeg

(47,675 posts)
9. You're right
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

That is what it sounds like. Nothing worse than an ex-smoker on a mission. I made it a point to never be like that when I quit.

hardluck

(641 posts)
42. No they're not
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jan 2020

Although alcoholism can be a disability under the ADA which may require the employer to provide reasonable accommodations.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. My preference is posting "no smoking" signs in areas and
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jan 2020

adjoining areas where smoking and any open flame can be dangerous.

I don't see how U-Haul figures out who smokes and who doesn't without people being ratted out. Companies are within their rights to make their campuses non smoking zones entirely, that doesn't infringe on a smoker's or vaper's rights, but does prevent said people from exposing non smokers or non vapers to the risks of secondhand smoke, and importantly for some companies, it keeps smokers from lighting up near areas where such an action can be dangerous.

hunter

(38,338 posts)
17. They'll see you out in the far side of the parking lot in the shelter...
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:42 PM
Jan 2020

... built for the hardest core nicotine addicted patients.

I've seen people out there in fifty degree weather wearing hospital gowns and pushing I.V. stands.

The oral nicotine alternatives offered must not have been enough.









LisaM

(27,846 posts)
30. I don't like this.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:14 PM
Jan 2020

Our company has an (optional) wellness program that I don't participate in because I think it's intrusive and that one intent is to find grounds to fire people. (I am also healthy, and have taken fewer than five sick days in 20 years). And I don't smoke.

I just think this is going too far. Smoking is legal. I can see testing people who are drivers for things that might cause impairment, like alcohol and drugs, before they head out on the road, but this sounds as if it's at their offices. Or maybe it's mechanics and people in the rental companies, I don't know. I just don't think it's right. What if they decided not to hire anyone who's on a prescription, even if it's legal? Aren't opioids just as much of a problem to insurance companies as smokers?

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
39. In the apartment complex where I live
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:29 AM
Jan 2020

Smokers are kicked out if they smoke on the property. There are big red smoking is not permitted on the premises signs as you enter here.

The housing is disability housing.
I am so glad I never smoked.

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