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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Iraqi parliament just approved a draft bill to expel U.S. forces from the country.
BREAKING: #Iraq Parliament majority vote Terminates Security agreement with US, thereby mandating withdrawal of American Troops from Iraq.
Big setback for US government. 3 days after Suleimani killing
Link to tweet
hatrack
(59,596 posts)Fucking. Unbelievable. Ineptitude.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Iraqi leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis was also killed in the strike. Yet the media won't mention his name. His death also inflamed the Iraqi government to boot the US out. Surprised it took them this long. Life in Iraq is desperate. All the oil money is being sucked out of the country. Electricity, hospitals, roads, water, and sewage systems are still destroyed and unemployment is sky high. Shock and awe indeed.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
@janearraf
This is stunning - #Iraq prime minister tells parliament US troops should leave. Says
@realDonaldTrump
called him to ask him to mediate with #Iran and then ordered drone strike on Soleimani. Says Soleimani carrying response to Saudi initiative to defuse tension when he was hit.
2:05 PM · Jan 5, 2020·Twitter Web App
Baitball Blogger
(46,774 posts)Did Trump deviously use Iraq to get Soleimani on the road where the drones could hit him?
bucolic_frolic
(43,410 posts)almost sounds like a setup, a trap
KPN
(15,670 posts)a possibility. Whether he did it with forethought or after ... he did it. He committed a crime.
Volaris
(10,275 posts)Trump should go to the Hague for this.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)If Trump asked the Prime Minister to mediate, is it possible that THAT is why Soleimani was in Baghdad - to meet with Iraqis?
Another topic? Is any reporter going to ask Pompeo which countries are actually in the amazing coalition he says he created?
Baitball Blogger
(46,774 posts)Fucking shocked.
uponit7771
(90,368 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)karynnj
(59,507 posts)If not, the two things were 2 separate actions that a clueless president did not see as contradictory. It is hard to see how anyone in leadership in Iraq can trust Trump or his NS team.
pandr32
(11,635 posts)I'm afraid we have a devil sitting on each of tRump's shoulders whispering in his ear--no angel at all. All the angels have been fired, forced to resign, or quit.
CrispyQ
(36,546 posts)They've all been sorry pieces of shit. Only the most putrid remain.
triron
(22,028 posts)KPN
(15,670 posts)that no one did more to stop him. tRump already got rid of any of his appointees who might actually do that. So its all on Mitch and the GOP Senate who are in it up to their eyeballs; ergo, scared for their own political and possibly free lives. Too many of them if not all of them need to be locked up and should be if we want to save this country.
uponit7771
(90,368 posts)KPN
(15,670 posts)sandensea
(21,692 posts)With the Chao's and (of course) the drug loot.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)If it is true, then I am actually shocked. And not much Trump does can shock me anymore.
This is the kind of thing that can damage a country's prestige and credibility for years.
KPN
(15,670 posts)to be trusted around the globe within his first year I suspect. It will take decades to gain it back and well probably never gain trust among middle eastern nations in the next 50 years. We are not a trustworthy nation ...
CrispyQ
(36,546 posts)"Here, hold my beer."
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)OMG! If that is true, Trump should be frog-marched out of the White House. Forget impeachment procedures.
Baitball Blogger
(46,774 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)A true double cross. Echoes of Bolton's "drug deal" comments. Could you imagine a mob boss with the US military at his disposal?Iran needs to take this one on the chin and hope dumb ass doesn't get reelected.
yardwork
(61,730 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,222 posts)We just want him to carry a message." Then boom. Trump murdered the man he was talking about.
Wow, I hope world leaders take note of Traitor Trump's trecherory.
Hey orange fat Traitor, use a drone on mobster "Shorty" Putin. He's just as evil.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Please put this important story out on its own article here at DU. Otherwise it may be ignore.
It deserves more prominence.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And therefore it's good what Trump did!?!
I'm so confused ... thought for SURE whatever IQ45's admin was saying must be true!
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)(snip)
Prime Minister Abdul-Mahdi also told parliament that Soleimani was due to meet with him the day he was killed and deliver a response from the Iranians to a Saudi message that could have led to a de-escalation of tensions in the region, according to the Reuters news agency.
(snip)
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)The Iranian commander had reportedly flown in from Lebanon or Syria in the early hours of that morning.
"He was killed because he was set to deliver a response from Iranians to a Saudi message, which we delivered to the Iranians to reach an important breakthrough in the situation in Iraq and the region."
Also killed along with Soleimani was Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, an Iraqi who had commanded the Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah group.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50998065
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Leave the billion-dollar Embassy behind. That is the price we must pay for Trump's recklessness.
Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)The neocons started a war in Iraq, and the winners are ...
Iran and Russia.
irisblue
(33,041 posts)Gulf War 1
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)And our allies in mortal danger with his assination.
They better get out fast. They are now open targers to the militias that have no central coordination.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)We may be witnessing the mistake we all knew would eventually happen. This could completely spin out of control.
dware
(12,449 posts)Iraq's Army and security forces couldn't handle ISIS the last time ISIS moved into Iraq, are they ready now?
If not, then who will they call to help them again? Iran? The Sunni's hate Iran as much as they hate the US.
I think you're right, this will quickly spin out of control.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)as well as Syria
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/politics/isis-iraq-syria.html
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)I imagine the MAGA morons will cheer that troops are leaving, but I feel like this is going to make things worse.
uponit7771
(90,368 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)uponit7771
(90,368 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)He will be so pissed. Bet he will just keep troops there anyway.
Ohiogal
(32,126 posts)Remember he told us he knows more than the generals do ....
Sorry. And drones, he knows more than anyone about those too.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)You forgot that.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)llmart
(15,561 posts)we also have that wonder boy and mastermind of Middle East peace, Jared Kushner on the case.
What, me worry?
meadowlander
(4,411 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Not at all good.
Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)Our presence in Iraq was built on a foundation of lies and war crimes.
One way or another we need to get out, and the sooner the better!
Even better still would be Trump's attempt to wag the dog backfiring on him BIGLY.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)that Trump is bringing troops home and boost his approval? Most people won't realize they're being forcibly expelled for Trump committing an illegal act.
Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)Described to a "Tea" in this thread:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212840864
Ferrets are Cool
(21,111 posts)if AMERICA had a foreign country with bases and troops INSIDE our country, would we be happy? This country, AMERICA, is nothing but a big bully. Even more so now with an idiot at the helm.
rickford66
(5,530 posts)druidity33
(6,450 posts)does America have any foreign bases on any of our soil?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)because of NORAD.
I believe that there are Luftwaffe stationed at an airbase here because of flight training.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)Evacuate with our tails between our legs?
We could be facing a very dangerous constitutional crisis over this. A lot depends on whether the Pentagon follows orders to commit war crimes.
Of course, the 2003 invasion and much of what happened afterwards were war crimes, so I'm not optimistic how this will play out.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)padah513
(2,511 posts)dalton99a
(81,656 posts)RAB910
(3,532 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)What's he going to do? Even if he wants war with Iran, the staging of said conflict has just become much harder.
World war is passe. It has now become so disruptive and costly that the tendency is to shy away from anything bigger than regional entanglements these days unless you're really nutty like Putin or tRump.
Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)paleotn
(17,990 posts)So much for the US fight against ISIS. Now we lose our base of operations.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)irisblue
(33,041 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,335 posts)So much winning!!!!
dlk
(11,585 posts)Trumps reckless and illegal assassination of Soleimani was his gift to Putin at American expense and we are watching spheres of influence shift in real time. Thank you GOP.
erronis
(15,394 posts)I can't imagine vacation homes in Siberia would be enough.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)triron
(22,028 posts)NBachers
(17,155 posts)Turkey's next
Recursion
(56,582 posts)"Interesting times".
I'm a pessimist and I did not expect this one.
Harker
(14,065 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)wishstar
(5,272 posts)Several stories all breaking on CNN this morning
safeinOhio
(32,738 posts)All roads lead to Putin.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Iraq is going to dump us! I was shocked when the first
thing I read this morning was that Iraq dumped us.
This Beau is so accurate it is scary.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Now all I have to do his type "be" and he pops up on my browser.
This morning he was fantastic, my favorite comment was "Trump
is so bad it almost seems intentional."
Myself, I think it is planned. That's the G.O.P. and the Kremlin
in cohorts.
Beau's topic was "Domestic Issues in the Mideast".
Thank you dewsgirl. I am appalled and distracted, never enough
time anymore.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)great, he is🔥🔥🔥with the Iran chaos. I also found out about him here, a couple months ago, he is now my favorite independent journalist.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)He is also my favorite. He catches me by surprise because he
says what I am thinking but has more in depth detail than I
could provide.
Thank you, thank you very much
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Well, by golly, thanks for sharing dewsgirl. And, again, this Beau hits subjects
right down my alley. I am very interested in the Selective Service stories. The
lottery draft turned out pretty bad and the government evolved it into a voluntary
draft ... fun stuff (lol).
About Elvis, I was drafted after he got out. My claim to fame is that he got out
at Fort Dix, N.J. My A.I.T. (advanced infantry) was held at Ft. Dix. I had volunteered
for Nam but on my last day at Dix (Ft. Ding-a-ling) my battalion was informed that
we were headed for Germany because our training was inadequate. The reason was
we were all O.C.S. candidates and there were not enough facilities available to
train us. We no longer had to serve the extra 10 months for training so we got sent
to Germany. Cheers.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)There were two of his videos that really stood out, this one looking at the situation from their point of view.
And this one about us and them thinking along the same lines, you may have seen them already. He covers facets of the situation, others don't.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)The announcement that we were going to Germany was a surprise.
We were training for combat in Vietnam. We are just kids. I just turned
20 and was homesick. I regretted volunteering for an additional ten
months. I hated the Army.
I went to Berlin and counted every day on a calendar. It was not
a vacation, far from it. One time I worked 117 days in a row. Many of my
days were 24 hours. Of course we slept but we were on duty. Sure glad
they kept me out of war, and I appreciate all those that have defended
our country all these years. All these wars since WWII not necessary.
Oh, thanks for the videos, I wish I could read Beau's hat. His dad was a
congressman?
Thanks dewsgirl
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)to the disaster unfolding tonight.
Thekaspervote
(32,813 posts)mgardener
(1,824 posts)Trump is very, very careless with US properties.
In the last few months he has lost 3 military bases that were abandoned and Russia picked up for free
Now the 750 million dollar embassy in Iraq.
I doubt that Trump pays any taxes so you and I will be paying for all of this. Plus the wall he lied about.
He is a clear and present danger to the US.
crazylikafox
(2,763 posts)Trump is so incompetent he can't even do real estate anymore. LOL
Smackdown2019
(1,191 posts)Is Mitch going to defend his Master? Probably...
Is Trump going to invade Iraq again.... PROBABLY
IMPEACH THE MOTHER FICKER!
ecstatic
(32,759 posts)trump's actions on their soil were beyond disrespectful.
Sonny Mirviss
(77 posts)Whether by incompetence or design it's about damned time that we get the hell out.
The ME needs to be ruled by strongmen like Hussein, Assad, the Ayatollahs and the rest.
We've never had any business there.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I thought our business had something to do with oil among other things? That is, who has it, gets it, moves it, etc.
IronLionZion
(45,591 posts)"Them" being anyone, doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Iran or any other brown foreigners.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes, lets just get out. They could use the Green Zone as a government center, art museum, archeological museum, childrens playground and cultural center. This would at least and at last be a good use of our war dollars!
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The embassy had better get it started.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)operation orange freedom.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Trump just made Iran the winner of the Iran-Iraq war.
Since the Iranian leadership is in general a more rational actor than the Trump administration, maybe the Iranians will wait to see how the win Trump handed them plays out. We can hope, anyway.
Our current position in Iraq is now untenable without the infusion of hundreds of thousands of ground forces. If the US decides to fight to stay, we would be fighting the Shia and possibly the Sunni's. Or, the whole thing degenerates into a parallel war of occupation and Civil War . . . the Iran/KSA proxy war moves to Iraq from Syria.
Que Trump talking about what great allies the Kurds are, and the need for 50,000 troops to bolster Iraq Kurdistan. Problem there is we need Erdogan to allow supplies to pass through Turkey.
Maybe Pompeo's coalition he talks about is the US with Wahhabi Sunnis's . . . the guys that backed 9/11 and ISIS.
Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)Iran-backed militias in Iraq might kick us as we exit, for two reasons:
1. They want to retaliate for for the assassination of Soleimani.
2. It will make us look like we're running with our tails between our legs.
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)There's going to be a conflict of goals coming very quickly. What Trump will do is anyone's guess.
dchill
(38,578 posts)atreides1
(16,100 posts)Not until his assets in the White House and Congress have given him what he's paid for...
Gothmog
(145,725 posts)Initech
(100,115 posts)Fuck this administration!
roody
(10,849 posts)Well they died for oil, of course.
triron
(22,028 posts)The Iraq invasion was based on false pretenses under Bush and co though.
What next?