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This is stunning - #Iraq prime minister tells parliament US troops should leave. Says @realDonaldTrump called him to ask him to mediate with #Iran and then ordered drone strike on Soleimani. Says Soleimani carrying response to Saudi initiative to defuse tension when he was hit.
Link to tweet
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)That is equivalent to killing someone under a flag of truce.
rampartc
(5,446 posts)and is unmistakably impeachable
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I have no doubt these lunatics are itching to use nukes, and theres not a sane person in this administration that will stop Trump and the sick, evil people hes surrounded with.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,054 posts)If there was such a call or initiative there would be other evidence of it. The Iranians would have been first to claim this.
Might be true. I doubt it.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)achieve sainthood in the republican party. Another Trump "promise" kept, I imagine they'll say.
rampartc
(5,446 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)This is murder most foul
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)If True - This violates so many codes of conduct in warfare and diplomacy and is something that should make another article of impeachment and also Iran should go to UN about this...along with other Nations condemning US for this and other war crimes, including threatening to destroy cultural targets.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12834201
malaise
(269,237 posts)Lock him up!
BigmanPigman
(51,646 posts)tRump's threat to attack religious and cultural sites in his "52 targets" tweet. That alone is an illegal act/war crime, he said. Other countries DO want to take this to the UN. Our European allies are not too thrilled, Putin said this was a stupid move as well as the US military officials who stupidly gave tRump this idiotic attack as a "last resort" option and didn't expect him to choose it. Iran and Iraq are pissed off too. The only country happy about it might be Israel.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 5, 2020, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)You learn to think about things and when I heard where he was killed, it immediately came to mind that it most likely was a set up and he was traveling to a meeting that the US knew about.
My dad always said Suleimani was a bigger danger as a martyr and dead. I remembered him saying that when we had some discussions about Iran.
He also knew that road well near the airport and my Uncle trained Iraqi soldiers there.
AJT
(5,240 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Sounds similar to what happened with Khashoggi.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,054 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)This is the part where a Trump laughed because hes a sadistic asshole.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)get the heat of this impeachment thing off of them some how. I knew the effing republicans would come up with some sort of shit like this.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,054 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Im a New Yorker, we have been hating this asshole since 1978. So is it a bias, or an unfortunate layering of historical content?
Chemisse
(30,819 posts)The options were presented to him. That makes me dubious. Would the Pentagon present an option that involved assassinating a man on a peace mission?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,054 posts)His statement is the topic of this thread.
Lots of members here have instantly believed the Iraqi PM. Without other evidence. Probably with no assessment of his history of truth-telling or not. Because confirmation bias, I think. 'He said something against tRump so it must be true.'
You don't have to live in New York to have plenty of independent confirmation that tRump is a schmuck.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Life, it happens.
However, I do hope youre correct and no human being tied to the pentagon gave him that option.
Still been hating him since 1978, should make myself a teeshirt.
Ponietz
(3,044 posts)2naSalit
(86,875 posts)FirstLight
(13,366 posts)Will the Iraqi PM go to the UN to have Trump called accountable?
He needs to be PUBLICLY shamed and censured and put in the stockades for this!
NJCher
(35,782 posts)Story was in the NY Times this a.m.:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/01/05/world/middleeast/05reuters-iraq-security-un.html
BAGHDAD Iraq's foreign ministry has lodged official complaints with the United Nations Secretary-General and Security Council over U.S. air strikes on Iraqi soil that killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani and several Iraqi militia leaders.
The complaint is about "American attacks and aggression on Iraqi military positions and the assassination of Iraqi and allied high level military commanders on Iraqi soil," the ministry said in a statement.
It described the attacks as "a dangerous breach of Iraqi sovereignty and of the terms of U.S. presence in Iraq."
It called on the Security Council to condemn the attacks.
(Reporting by Ahmed Rasheed; Writing by Ahmed Aboulenein; Editing by Maha El Dahan)
Iraq was a founding member of the UN.
58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)Botany
(70,621 posts)jpak
(41,760 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,098 posts)I wish I could say this surprises me. But, I wouldn't put this past him and his filthy-ass toadies.
2naSalit
(86,875 posts)We now know just how fucking evil this monster is. He has to go but until he does, we must refuse to comply with any of his commands.
walkingman
(7,675 posts)2naSalit
(86,875 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)walkingman
(7,675 posts)agree that many Dems just sit back and tolerate this war mongering, especially the Republican Lite variety.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)for some rreason i was thinking more world-wide, which i admit is perhaps not relevant in this case.
oldsoftie
(12,638 posts)Wonder how well it would go over using any other race in that term?
walkingman
(7,675 posts)is that redundant.
handmade34
(22,759 posts)sad but very true
stopdiggin
(11,395 posts)Arthur_Frain
(1,866 posts)That the end justifies the means. No matter the cost, they will support candidates who get them their judges/courts/guns/religious tolerance laws, etc. This is the next step, and I wonder how long before its justified domestically?
How long before he stops trying to dig up dirt on Biden, and just suggests someone rid me of this troublesome priest at one of his rallies, and someone does, and gets off on a sham trial?
Unfortunately I think we are descending into that morass.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Exactly...exactly what hub & I've being saying for months. It's even the way his christian supporters think - the end justifies the means.
Rump & his supporters are immoral criminals.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)After all, it's our "duty" after all to make the world safe for democracy, don't you know...
(hard to type that with a straight face)
Arthur_Frain
(1,866 posts)But American Exceptionalism has always been one of those phrases that start off making me cringe, and go downhill from there. All too often because of the obvious <ehrm> exceptional quality of the person doing the expounding.
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Mustafa Salim @Mustafa_salimb
Replying to @Mustafa_salimb
I received a phone call from @realDonaldTrump when the embassy protests ended thanking the government efforts and asked Iraq to play the mediator's role between US and Iran Iraqi PM said.
But at the same time American helicopters and drones were flying without the approval of Iraq, and we refused the request of bringing more soldiers to US embassy and bases iraqi PM said.
I was supposed to meet Soleimani at the morning the day he was killed, he came to deliver me a message from Iran responding to the message we delivered from Saudi to Iran Iraqi PM said.
9:02 AM - Jan 5, 2020 · Iraq
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)2naSalit
(86,875 posts)Interesting little tidbit.
What a flaming mess.
mia
(8,363 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,981 posts)Trump can provide a selective 'transcript'.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)major consequences for years to come. Again,your word is your bond. Not anymore,the Saudi's are now suspect also.
malaise
(269,237 posts)His word has no meaning - this is a war crime.
Takket
(21,653 posts)or am i missing something?
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)I doubt PM would agree to be part of a "lure" though.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Xolodno
(6,408 posts)...Shit
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)deminks
(11,018 posts)Vinca
(50,320 posts)doc03
(35,403 posts)country back in WWII?
keithbvadu2
(36,981 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)doc03
(35,403 posts)shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)And then brought out the ambassador's daughter Nayirah to lie about babies being tossed from incubators by Iraqi soldiers. This is nothing new.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)and other world leaders would start telling americans. GET RID OF THIS FUCKER, He's is destroying everything human !!
It is not americans, military, plans, nothing it is religio/fascist nut jobs and an insane president.
bucolic_frolic
(43,401 posts)Yeah, I guess that would shake them up a little
debsy
(530 posts)All we can hope is that the Iranians and their allies don't hold us responsible for the cheating that put him into power. Of course, that is a pipe dream but...
Wednesdays
(17,453 posts)will shrug and say, "So?"
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)in with the American people...but it will happen.
Good think enough of us know WTF here and he will be gone November 2020, this stunt shan't help him...it's going to turn EVEN MORE against his orange ass.
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Yah, this'll end well...
cp
(6,673 posts)If true, is war crime.
burrowowl
(17,653 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Now that we know the target was lured into position with a fig leaf this is an out & out war crime & everyone involved MUST be imprisoned.
in2herbs
(2,947 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,788 posts)and could care less how it happens, or what the consequences of that action might be. So consistent. So deplorable. So Thug. Embrace your Chosen One GOP. Oh, and buy your oil and gas now. And sell your stocks. A shit storm is brewing.
If true, this is terrifying. No wonder the Pentagon was so quick to distance themselves from this. But Pentagon officials are just as guilty. Was there pushback? Did they believe they were carrying out unlawful order, and did it anyway? The whole bunch of shitstains that surround Trump are complicit.
lastlib
(23,344 posts)I cannot put anything past these evil murderous basturds! They will stop at NOTHING to satiate their greed! This crime ring MUST be destroyed at any cost!
DispondentRepublican
(23 posts)💥And if anything, will escalate and likely deliver a delayed Christmas present over the Pacific Ocean or restart HEU production at nuke plants....especially with US tied down in Middle East. DISASTER!!!😱😡 Guessing the Evangelical leaders get what they want: Planned Apocalypse to hasten The Rapture
pandr32
(11,635 posts)This is a disaster. This is what happens when our country is manned by a bunch of unqualified and compromised yahoos.
moondust
(20,017 posts)Dumbo apparently did call the Iraqi PM who agreed to mediate a de-escalation between SA and Iran. I don't know how much time elapsed between that call and the assassination, but I doubt that Dumbo knew in advance whom Tehran would be sending to Baghdad to negotiate the de-escalation. The assassination *may* have been simply an impulsive crime of convenience committed by a left hand ignorant of what the right hand was doing. Needs investigating.
ecstatic
(32,759 posts)Luring someone to his own slaughter under false pretenses?
I didn't think I could be any more disgusted. Why on earth would ANYONE trust our lying, corrupt government going forward? SMFH! Dump and the Saudis are once again joining forces to commit murder and thuggery.
Iraq was right to give US the boot. Iran, NK and others have zero incentive to drop their nuclear programs at this point.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)No opposition leader will ever sit down with a U.S. backed diplomat out of fear of assassination.
arthritisR_US
(7,300 posts)joke.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)AllyCat
(16,248 posts)What a bunch of lying chicken hawks
reACTIONary
(5,789 posts)..... Suleiman was not met at the airport by Iraqi government officials.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/us/politics/trump-suleimani.html
.... He was met by Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, who had launched the recent attacks against American and who was considered to be an "agent of Iran" ...
Long before the American invasion of Iraq, he was accused of playing a role in the bombings of the French and American Embassies in Kuwait, in 1983, and the later attempt to assassinate Kuwaits emir. In 2007, a Kuwaiti court sentenced him to death in absentia.
He also helped found Kataib Hezbollah, a militia that targeted the United States during the Iraq war and was accused of training and equipping a network of anti-American groups. Kataib Hezbollah has continued to oppose the United States, and American officials blamed it for a rocket attack that killed an American contractor last week.
The militias played a crucial role in demolishing ISISs self-declared caliphate, and Mr. al-Muhandis became the most powerful single actor among the militias, according to a November 2019 report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies. The report described him as in essence an Iranian agent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/world/middleeast/iraq-iran-airstrike-al-muhandis.html
Given these facts it seems unlikely that this was an official state visit at the invitation of the Iraqi PM.