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babylonsister

(171,104 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:53 PM Jan 2020

Trump's America stands utterly alone

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/opinions/trump-allies-soleimani-iran-conflict-andelman/index.html

Trump's America stands utterly alone
Opinion by David A. Andelman
Updated 2:14 PM ET, Sun January 5, 2020


(CNN)This time, the United States stands utterly alone.

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Trump has repeatedly alienated most of America's traditional allies and led them to question his style of leadership. He has railed against fellow NATO members, and attacked leaders like French President Emmanuel Macron.

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By killing Soleimani, Trump has provoked a power that has powerful friends, and little to lose. Last month, Iran joined Russia and China on massive joint naval maneuvers in the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Oman. China has also proved to be a receptive customer for Iran's oil sales, despite Trump's efforts to crush the Islamic Republic's economy. Iran has also aligned with Russia in backing Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria.
History would also suggest that Iran is fully prepared to unleash asymmetric warfare unlike any before seen. Its eight-year war with Iraq from 1980 to 1988 has shown it to be capable of assembling vast reserves of would-be martyrs in the form of human wave attacks unlike anything terrorist groups have been able to mount.

By his action, Trump crossed several critical red lines in the region, without notice and without backup. For the past two years, I have been studying the nature, structure and history of red lines for my forthcoming book, A Line in the Sand: Red Lines in Peace and War," to be published by Pegasus. I've found that the Middle East, particularly Iran, Iraq and Syria today have a density of red lines -- ranging from geographical borders to political, diplomatic or military realities -- replicated in no other region of the world, nor at any other moment in history. Each line must in some fashion be carefully communicated or structured so that all parties understand the reality and the stakes for violating them.

Certainly, Soleimani crossed a critical red line himself by going into Iraq where he was killed in a drone strike at a Baghdad airport. But Trump, by his response, crossed an even more dangerous one by escalating an already tense situation across a red line that was not its own -- without support from crucial allies.

Perhaps most troubling is the fact that Trump does not seem to be at all concerned about his lack of friends and allies, nor for that matter has he expressed any real plan of response beyond a tweeted threat of retaliation against 52 Iranian targets if Iran strikes back. Above all, he does not seem to have an exit strategy or end game in mind. Establishing or violating a red line is not an action to be undertaken cavalierly or without careful consideration as to the response or the outcome.
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Trump's America stands utterly alone (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
Unfilled nat security, foreign policy, military positions. Capabilities degraded, allies alienated. Mc Mike Jan 2020 #1
Like Hitler Kaiserguy Jan 2020 #20
Yeah. He's a very stupid guy, who thinks he's a very smart guy. Mc Mike Jan 2020 #21
"Does not seem to have an exit strategy" Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #2
Idiot. He's getting into a mess that that he alone, got himself into. He's a wartime criminal, ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #3
One person - I believe- that is running for President can fix this and start on their first day. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #4
That's what a Trump First policy gets you. tanyev Jan 2020 #5
Gee, Newest Reality Jan 2020 #6
He's turned this country into an extension of his own disgusting, miserable being Blue Owl Jan 2020 #7
We should stand alone, warmfeet Jan 2020 #8
Its a simple reality Cosmocat Jan 2020 #16
He told us many times, "I alone can fix it" bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #9
there will be no "coalition of the willing" this time around Takket Jan 2020 #10
Nope Rebl2 Jan 2020 #11
But.....he has.... Traildogbob Jan 2020 #12
"Trump has repeatedly alienated most of America's traditional allies and led them to question his pangaia Jan 2020 #13
He stands alone... TommyCelt Jan 2020 #14
The cheese stands alone... onlyadream Jan 2020 #15
There can be no winners in this. Turbineguy Jan 2020 #17
Mission accomplished. paleotn Jan 2020 #18
Yes, I think Vlad's request/ demand has been delivered. US divided and allies/ treaties trashed Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #19

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
1. Unfilled nat security, foreign policy, military positions. Capabilities degraded, allies alienated.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

Word can't be trusted, wants to go to war against any and every country with a non-'nazi strongman' leader.

Weakening the US, so we have no choice but to beg Putin for an alliance, with the US as a junior partner.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
20. Like Hitler
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jan 2020

Trump thinks he knows more than his generals or anyone else. Trump doesn't have a clue to just how stupid he really is.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
21. Yeah. He's a very stupid guy, who thinks he's a very smart guy.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:24 AM
Jan 2020

His underlings do all his thinking for him, he takes all the credit when he thinks he succeeded, blames everyone esle for the failures.

SWBTATTReg

(22,188 posts)
3. Idiot. He's getting into a mess that that he alone, got himself into. He's a wartime criminal, ...
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

I wouldn't be surprised if someone bought him up to the Hague on violations of conducting war, other than the fact too that he failed to notify the Congress too, in advance. And I bet that all of the evidence of something was going to happen if Soleimani wasn't taken down (to American interests) was manufactured or blown way up out of proportion. He was wanting to distract everyone from his legal woes and he thought that by doing this, that this would be the way to distract others. No.

If anything, this unilateral action on his part means that something so dire, so nefarious (done by him) was about to be revealed. Why now take this action against Soleimani? Why now?

Especially since the guy has been floating around for 10 years or so...

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. One person - I believe- that is running for President can fix this and start on their first day.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020

Vote for that person.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. Gee,
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:17 PM
Jan 2020

I never thought that I would see any person in such a high office actually become the nation's number one security threat and for so many obvious reasons. We weren't doing all that bad before he grabbed our...country.

The toxic combination is a mixture of his ulterior motives and his will to power and a demonstrated lack of the knowledge or qualifications to make important or strategic decisions on any level, especially as Commander in Chief for military actions. That's very alarming in itself and it looks like we are now drifting into some very dangerous territory, or should I say more dangerous?

A dunderhead dotard blowhard is probably the last person you would ever want in charge of your military forces. If you consider what kind of people he has appointed to head important agencies and the results, then any confrontations put us in grave danger because this loser wouldn't really know or consider any results of his actions.

I am not surprised that this Cheese Ball Megalomaniac is doing this now, (distraction, his base, grab for wartime powers) and it has been stirring in my basement for a while, but now it seems to be coming out the door and walking around in the living room and, my gosh, it is horrible and hideous, like a tantrum-prone baby man with nuclear weapons and a big mouth. Oh, I know who that is.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
8. We should stand alone,
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:55 PM
Jan 2020

given what we currently are.

I am so disgusted with what our country now represents.

I am ashamed to be associated with this country.

Yeah, I fucking said it. I am ashamed to be a citizen of this country (not my fucking choice).

Anyone wants to tell me to get the fuck out, I have tried, and failed.

Good luck to y'all. This sucks.

Cosmocat

(14,579 posts)
16. Its a simple reality
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jan 2020

He represents what we are, and we are were we deserve to be.

Its been this way for decades now, our 1/3 desperately trying to the right thing with 1/3 of the country GLEEFULLY running cheese graters on their genitalia and the "middle" 1/3 babbling "they are both the same."

We have been pushing mud.

Traildogbob

(8,856 posts)
12. But.....he has....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:17 PM
Jan 2020

Mar-A-Logo friends and allies. And Fox loves him. Fuck everybody else. They just haters, never tRumpers. MAGA! Get your Chinese hats bros, before Putin raises the price. Kanye!! Yea!! And he served when?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. "Trump has repeatedly alienated most of America's traditional allies and led them to question his
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jan 2020
style of leadership."

STYLE OF LEADERSHIP????

"Perhaps most troubling is the fact that Trump does not seem to be at all concerned about his lack of friends and allies,"


"Establishing or violating a red line is not an action to be undertaken cavalierly or without careful consideration as to the response or the outcome."

WTF is that? Who comes up with these asinine phrases?

Is this guy serious????
Who in the world needs to be told this??



The man is insane and is being run by who the hell knows.. russians, for sure, ... saudis?... american evangelicals? you betcha, disaster capitalists? yup....

TommyCelt

(838 posts)
14. He stands alone...
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jan 2020

...and that's just what he said he would do when he accepted his party's nomination. "I ALONE..."

Unilateral unchecked disproportionate action is the dance of the dictator. His base is PUMPED. His lemmings in congress have closed ranks. This is war. And we are not the good guys.

Turbineguy

(37,385 posts)
17. There can be no winners in this.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:17 PM
Jan 2020

OK, maybe the evangelicals who will get the destruction of the World that they have been pining for.

I have to hope that The Chinese, the Russians, and some smart Europeans can talk this down some.

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