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babylonsister

(171,104 posts) Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:20 PM Jan 2020

Graham Suggests Changing Senate Rules to Begin Trial

So he wants to proceed without the charges that got iq45 there to begin with?

https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/05/graham-suggests-changing-senate-rules-to-begin-trial/

Graham Suggests Changing Senate Rules to Begin Trial
January 5, 2020 at 2:27 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 112 Comments

“Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham suggested that Republicans should try to change Senate rules governing impeachment if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi continues to withhold the charges against President Trump — an unlikely 11th-hour bid to begin a trial within days without the actual documents,” the Washington Post reports.

“Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was unequivocal in a Senate floor speech on Friday that ‘we can’t hold a trial without the articles; the Senate’s own rules don’t provide for that.’ But Graham, a close ally of Trump, floated the idea of a unilateral GOP move, saying he would work with McConnell to allow the Senate to proceed without the two charges against Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.”

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Graham Suggests Changing Senate Rules to Begin Trial (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP

Of course. dhol82 Jan 2020 #1

He Would Need 67 Votes To Change The Rule Me. Jan 2020 #2

He'd need 51.....67 is Only to convict AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #4

Only if they agree to go to the "nuclear option".. kentuck Jan 2020 #6

Nope....it takes a simple majority for the House OR Senate to set their rules.... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #7

That Is What I Was Going To Say Me. Jan 2020 #9

That died when Leader Ried went nuke...also has nothing to do with AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #10

AS I Heard Some Expert Say 67 Me. Jan 2020 #12

You're welcome to that...but it's BS.....what expert did you hear... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #13

Do it Lindsey... lame54 Jan 2020 #3

How(?)...Speaker Pelosi doesn't set the Senate rules for trials AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #11

Lindsey's would be the sham trial... lame54 Jan 2020 #14

He just wants Trump to know he's doing everything he can do... kentuck Jan 2020 #5

Would seem to me that this would be unconstitutional even with 67 votes standingtall Jan 2020 #8

dhol82

(9,353 posts)

1. Of course.

Reply to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:22 PM

Jan 2020

Must have gotten a call from Vlad.

Me.

(35,454 posts)

2. He Would Need 67 Votes To Change The Rule

Reply to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:11 PM

Jan 2020

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)

4. He'd need 51.....67 is Only to convict

Reply to Me. (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 01:51 PM

Jan 2020

kentuck

(111,110 posts)

6. Only if they agree to go to the "nuclear option"..

Reply to AncientGeezer (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 01:56 PM

Jan 2020

They did it with judges but it is doubtful they would do for rules?

However, Trump may be able to persuade them.

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)

7. Nope....it takes a simple majority for the House OR Senate to set their rules....

Reply to kentuck (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:14 PM

Jan 2020

re: Impeachment or the Trials. That's Never been 2/3rds. The House during Dumpsters Impeachment didn't use 2/3rds to set our rules

You mention Judges....Federal Judges... 51 vote rule change started with Leader Reid...he only required a simple majority to change the rules...to require a simple majority, 51.. for confirmation ...Turtle escalated it for SCOTUS.
I hated when Sen.Reid went nuke for lower crt Nominees because I knew the freak Turtle would do it bigger if they got the Senate back.

Me.

(35,454 posts)

9. That Is What I Was Going To Say

Reply to kentuck (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:21 PM

Jan 2020

“however, if the matter before the Senate involves changing the rules of the body, a two-thirds majority is required”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Rules_of_the_United_States_Senate

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)

10. That died when Leader Ried went nuke...also has nothing to do with

Reply to Me. (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 05:32 PM

Jan 2020

An Impeachment or a trial...

Me.

(35,454 posts)

12. AS I Heard Some Expert Say 67

Reply to AncientGeezer (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:47 PM

Jan 2020

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and wikipedia says 67, I believe I will disagree with you for the time being

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)

13. You're welcome to that...but it's BS.....what expert did you hear...

Reply to Me. (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:46 PM

Jan 2020

I'd love to read that "expert".....that's FOS......and Wiki doesn't say 67 for Senate Trial rules.
The Constitution is clear on Impeachment and the Trial....each side sets their rules...2/3 is NOT required....and you can't show it is.

lame54

(35,339 posts)

3. Do it Lindsey...

Reply to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:14 PM

Jan 2020

Then we will have a 2nd trial when Pelosi's ready

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)

11. How(?)...Speaker Pelosi doesn't set the Senate rules for trials

Reply to lame54 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 05:41 PM

Jan 2020

No we won't...we'll be lucky to get ONE trial...she has ZERO input on a Trial/s.

lame54

(35,339 posts)

14. Lindsey's would be the sham trial...

Reply to AncientGeezer (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 09:11 PM

Jan 2020

Then Pelosi would send the articles to trigger the actual trial

kentuck

(111,110 posts)

5. He just wants Trump to know he's doing everything he can do...

Reply to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 01:53 PM

Jan 2020

...to make it all go away.

But, it ain't going nowhere.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)

8. Would seem to me that this would be unconstitutional even with 67 votes

Reply to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:18 PM

Jan 2020

The constitution clearly states the sole power of impeachment belongs to the house of representatives while the sole power of trying belongs to the senate.

I could've swore just a couple a weeks ago that republicans were shouting Trump isn't really impeached yet, because the House hasn't send articles to the senate? Now their talking about having a trial without the articles from the house. Talk about trying to have it both ways.

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