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BREAKING: Iranians Hit Back HARD !!! ..................... AGAINST TRUMP !!!EDIT: Changed source of story to something more neutral.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-properties-could-become-iranian-targets-190912364.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHURPa6Hi5WAa4ipUdojwg4xuijEf9AdV8-aq4hgMTYXleIvE6Cg5xrYJGq_vhP9MefFuN7krnyELj6C52V7uBCC3PLf5bvxlOhTuv9N6ABhIDWnUEn3OTAg5FgFFURl5urNam89Wjak8uR_1gJuvs8luanZ17I6xkRPZsloyqfy
The menacing tweet implies that Iran intends to target Trump's $3.1 billion real estate empire, making things a lot more personal than the President may be comfortable with.
The tweet linked to Forbes' latest estimate of Trump's financial situation that lists nine properties in New York that have a combined estimated value of $1.5 billion.
The list includes Trump Tower and 40 Wall Street as well as Trump International hotels in Washington, Las Vegas and Chicago.
This sounds like a rational approach by the Iranians, make Red Don defend his own shit ... see how MAGA Suckers feel when we have to spend US dollars protecting his crap when he starts wars.
Question: If one of Trumps properties get hit by an attack from the Iranians can Red Don be sued for putting said person in danger and not keeping his roach infected properties empty?
add: Doesn't Trump have some responsibility to tell his tenants whether or not his properties are safe or not.
thx in advance
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)And ... if you were in charge of Iran .. and the US was threatening for years (remember John McCain singing 'bomb bomb Iran') .. wouldn't you decide you really needed nuclear weapons to prevent attacks?
dchill
(38,569 posts)Low, low bar.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Threaten Trump's real estate holdings and who is going to want to live there?
Office and apartment values will plummet and Trump properties will be in foreclosure in no time.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)altho putting them in a trump atrocity would be cruel
ChazInAz
(2,573 posts)Remember that shortly after the Obamas moved into the White House, some of the more scurrilous right wing rags started claiming that the place had become infested with bed bugs?
certainot
(9,090 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)from the unpredictable Donald Trump?
Drifter
(4,751 posts)is insurance fraud. Probably the only way these properties will make any money.
All while allowing him to play the victim.
Cheers
Drifter
rurallib
(62,465 posts)Would Iranian attacks be considered "war"?
I would think so. Wouldn't seem fair for anyone else's insurance to go up thanks to the actions of one person.
Tell you one thing - I'd be very reluctant to visit any Trump property anywhere right now.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)I can see lawsuits for that!
Ligyron
(7,640 posts)We're I a resident or commercial interest I'd be bailing out of that target zone asap. His next insurance rate hike should make things unsustainable for his company or residents alike I'm guessing, but then ... what do I know?
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)Cover damage caused by acts of war "declared or undeclared". So I'm guessing he's not going to be able to collect.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)And claimed that Iranians were celebrating across the river.
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)particularly in NYC and DC but I don't think there's any coverage for "Acts of War". So of course he would refer to it as a terrorist attack. If so, you could argue that he committed the first act of terrorism in this case. I think he's screwed in this predicament.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)the only way Trump used to make money.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)How do you figure that tweet is "historic"? I'm genuinely puzzled here.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... seeing Iran has intimated his properties are on a hit list then it breaks him, not Americans and lets the rest of America know its nothing person.
Master stroke, will go down in the books
lame54
(35,331 posts)that will backfire on them
so will killing any American civilians in other countries
so it's either an empty threat or a potentially bad move
Pluvious
(4,327 posts)lame54
(35,331 posts)Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)the AC on in winter or fucking with it in summer. Delivering a box of bed bugs could have an interesting effect.
You've got an entire nation that wants this guy to suffer, (besides, of course the US)
calimary
(81,540 posts)Are we equipped to handle that kind of attack?
Were loaded up on 20th-century war toys. But all the kings horses and all the kings men wont be able to handle rogue attacks by a few strategic keystrokes.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Trump would not be liable for deaths incurred at his properties as a consequence of actions by a hostile foreign power.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... him to warn people no?
This is a reason why US dignitaries have to divest themselves of business's
As a general rule, people are not liable for intentional torts even when they are committed by their employees over whom they presumably have some control. Let alone for criminal activity, or acts of war - by people farther removed from their control than employees are.
SWBTATTReg
(22,181 posts)for now is a list of those rump properties NOT covered by insurance so rump won't get reimbursed for damages (but I imagine most insurance policies have a clause in them that acts of war, terror aren't covered?).
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)superpatriotman
(6,253 posts)Forever. Every golf course, condo building, Kushner's properties, too.
We are all responsible.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)could fight US taxpayers having to cover any loss as Trump is complicit in whatever happens due to his negligence. Rational people would recognize that, if you assassinate another country's general without justifiable cause (no imminent danger) could result in the other country being pissed off enough to respond.
Decades ago, Iran overthrew the Shah and installed a democratically elected government that wanted to nationalize their oil fields because - they were their oil fields. The Western countries and their oil companies couldn't allow that and they overthrew the government and reinstalled the Shah. Years later, we all know how well that turned out.
And people wonder why Iran thinks that they need to develop nuclear capability to protect themselves.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)Words are not a hit.
You ever hear the nursery rhyme "Sticks and stones ...."?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... to keep his roach motels empty is hard hitting, wise and calculated.
Also lets Americans know we're not dealing with an irrational adversary
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)Words are not a hit.
People say shit. Doesn't make shit real.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... doesn't then someone is going to get paid if his roach motels get hit.
People say shit. Doesn't make shit real.
You don't think Iran has the means, motives and motivation to hit one of Red Don properties overseas where there is little to no protection?
tia
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)... not the strike that your subject line promises.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)... admins have to be heavy, which is thankless. In the meantime, members are free to express themselves. If you think the title is totally accurate, you are free to express yourself on that point and praise the OP to the skies for wonderful lack of hyperbole
No I'm not an admin, nor do I want to be. No, I do not set policy, nor do I want to. But really, if people are unwilling to accept comments and feedback on what they post they are free to send themselves emails instead of posting publicly.
Members are frequently overselling their posts with excessive headlines or the opposite, trying to hook readers in with uninformative but inflammatory subject lines, like the other one you noted: "Major breaking news" (whole thread subject line) that was not news because it was after so many threads and as it turns out not as major as some at DU hoped because Bolton coordinated with McCONnell first.
kcr
(15,320 posts)It's not hard.
Srkdqltr
(6,349 posts)What a concept.
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)irisblue
(33,038 posts)Snip--Months later, in February 2014, hackers inserted malware into the computer networks of Adelsons Las Vegas casino. The withering cyber-attack laid waste to about three quarters of the companys Las Vegas servers; the cost of recovering data and building new systems cost $40 million or more.
Snip--Evidence of possible retaliation of the American drone strike emerged late on Jan. 4 when the website for the little-known U.S. Federal Depository Library Program was hacked and defaced with pro-Iranian, anti-U.S. messaging, confirmed a spokesman for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. The site has since been taken down.
At this time, there is no confirmation that this was the action of Iranian state-sponsored actors, reads a statement issued by CISA, part of the Department of Homeland Security.
The FDLP is a government entity created to make federal publications available to the public for free.
More at article, and there are many more articles on this idea on line
DavidDvorkin
(19,499 posts)Just making the threat will cut business at those properties drastically.
Of course, Trump respond to the downturn by forcing government agencies to hold meetings at those properties. I wouldn't put that past him.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... mentioned in attacks by Iran
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Im not being critical or snarky. Can he force them?
But I completely agree with your statement that no one, even staff will want to be in any of his properties. Especially if they actually hit one or even if they put bomb craters into his golf courses.
A few cheap drones could do some damage. Just enough so no one will go near them. Insurance wouldnt likely cover the loss in revenue.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,499 posts)He seems to assume he has the authority to treat the Civil Service as his personal property, not a semi-independent organization. If people are sufficiently cowed and keep following his orders, then that becomes the new normal.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)JDC
(10,136 posts)Your point of gov meetings is more likely than ever now.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Even if they never strike, there is always the threat and I would never want to live with that kind of anxiety. Besides, knowing Trump, I am sure most of his properties are overpriced, poorly managed, tacky shitholes and the prestige of his brand is tanking. I would get out while I could still manage to cut my losses.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)They've turned #TraitorTrump into the world's 21st century Hitler.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)Iran is just being smart by exposing that. I agree that they are playing this just right. Now they don't even have to make good on the threat to bring the orange menace's empire down. Just sit back and watch appropriately cautious people choose to stay elsewhere.
Ligyron
(7,640 posts)Wanna make it personal? Okay, we can do that. Almost have to admire them but we'll have to see how this all plays out. 1 innocent civilian death and they loose any possible goodwill generated and it's 'Murica rat ar wron'
tritsofme
(17,419 posts)Given the caps and tags, I assumed something more significant had happened than a tweet that has already been informatively been covered in other GD threads.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)tritsofme
(17,419 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... and Iran wins by putting Trump on hot street is a master stroke
tritsofme
(17,419 posts)triron
(22,027 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)who often disagree on details?
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)that that they had already hit him. But then I read the article and I saw that it's only a threat. They haven't really hit him at all. It should read that Iran threatens to hit back hard.
Alwaysna
(574 posts)Then wouldn't it hurt them also?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)dem4decades
(11,308 posts)And the headline on this thread is misleading, totally.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)bdamomma
(63,931 posts)databanks and get info on tRump.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Could it be more alarmist? And it's already been posted. No need to promote that trash paper on here.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)The Sun makes The Enquirer read like the Washington Post
Ms. Toad
(34,117 posts)That was invented by a member of DU.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)louis-t
(23,309 posts)Monsieur_Grumpe
(110 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)owned propaganda.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Crowman2009
(2,503 posts)Hence why their are such a massive security risk.
Ms. Toad
(34,117 posts)So the people in this thread blaming Murdoch for the headline are blaming the wrong messenger.
Especially in such fragile and tense times, it is really not helpful to announce that the sky has already fallen - when there's only a weather report that we might be in for some rough weather.
lamp_shade
(14,850 posts)Will they start jumping ship. I sure as hell would.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)trump: "What are you going to do, shoot us all?"
Iran: "No ace, just you..."
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)Do you know how much money the Trump organization is going to lose just from the threat? I'm actually thinking there's going to be a shit-ton of people cancelling stays, memberships, reservations, etc.
They don't have to actually DO anything, people are going to stay away in droves just from the threat.
Habibi
(3,598 posts)Not a shot fired or a missile launched.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,117 posts)TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)dalton99a
(81,648 posts)cantfixstupid
(23 posts)December 26, 2019 - 08:00 PM EST
Germans think Trump is more dangerous to world peace than Kim Jong Un and Putin: survey
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/475998-germans-think-trump-is-more-dangerous-to-world-peace-than-kim?amp
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)between Trump and the rest of us. This action targets the person who did the deed, not us innocent bystanders.
And, as noted in another post, Iran doesn't even have to do anything. Just the threat will keep some number of people from patronizing Trump properties. Not only will that hurt Trump, but Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared will lose income, too.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Iran are going to basically make anything he owns toxic and not safe to even walk into.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)them empty and expose them, I would approve of that.
Non violent and all.
bdamomma
(63,931 posts)tight with Russia? I would appreciate any feedback.
Thekaspervote
(32,811 posts)Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (CNN)Iran may well have calculated that it's better off with a Democrat in the White House and not a Republican like President Donald Trump.
Logically -- and Iran's leaders are intensely pragmatic in that far-sighted way -- Tehran will likely calibrate its vowed "harsh revenge" response to the killing of Qasem Soleimani in a bid to cost Trump re-election.
Part of that calculation is likely to have Iran focus on targets inside the United States as well as in the Middle East, not just to embarrass Trump but to limit regional escalation.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/04/middleeast/trump-iran-revenge-analysis-intl/index.html
Wouldnt it just be the most wonderful revenge if this were true....dotard having to live with the fact that even our enemies would rather have continued to deal with a brown skinned president than him!!
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)usaf-vet
(6,221 posts)walkingman
(7,673 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Shoonra
(523 posts)Don't expect to see Donald Jr., Eric or Jared volunteer for the armed forces to defend what it literally their family's possessions.
C Moon
(12,223 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,435 posts)His vacancy rate will skyrocket, he'll risk defaulting on his loans, and he WILL lose properties from attacks. Now we'll see the full stupidity of Trump not divesting in his businesses before inauguration. This was going to happen sooner or later. It's in Trump's nature to piss people off, and some of those people will want retribution. This time around, it's an entire nation, Iran. The odds of Trump's businesses surviving Iran's retaliation are dwindling. One devastating attack will bring it all crashing down. Congress will have to cut off military funds to keep Trump restrained. He'll go ape shit. This is going to be a very busy 2020.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts).. liability to go along with it.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)To many, Solemani was like a son, a brother, a cousin, a very close relative. If I were any of these relationships to #impotus, especially ones with no Secret Service protection I would be quite frightened. If I were living in even a #TrumpTraitor branded building I would be quite frightened. The big tough wannabe DICKtator really stepped in it this time. These folks have a LONG memory and maybe not today, this month, this year but sometime there will be very personal hell to pay. Not troops, not buildings not monetary stuff but personal.
And, you can bet that those within Irans banking systems are digging for the financial dirt on tRUMP Org. as well.
peggysue2
(10,844 posts)Who will want to stay in a property that may be attacked? Trump revenues have already been falling on most of the family's properties. He's destroyed his own shabby brand. Now this.
Very clever of the Iranians. They don't have to fire a shot, just put the pain where it belongs and where Trump will feel it the most--in his wallet.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,498 posts)during their term of office, especially those openly carrying his/her name.
A president that leans heavily toward using the stick part of sticks and carrots should accept the potential for revenge and be prepared for that eventuality.
In this case, like many other norms and traditions, tRump does not care about those things and he will play the victim and somehow either politically or economically profit from these events.
KY...........
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)world wide wally
(21,757 posts)Fuck you, asshole. Pay for your own fucking security guards.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)I hope for all our sakes this goes no further. Don't know that if possible with right wing christian and muslim religionists out for blood.
sarisataka
(18,837 posts)It seems Iran is threatening to attack civilian targets (they may be owned by Trump but they are still civilian targets occupied by non-combatants) and this is considered rational?
How can we condemn a threat to attack Iran's cultural site (rightly so as it would be a war ctime) while simultaneously supporting threats to attack US civilian targets?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... them then is Trump liable?
Trump has to tell his tennants that his properties are less safe now or ... hire his own guards to safe guard them no?
sarisataka
(18,837 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... said such in this OP.
Also, I explicitly say Trump has a responsibility to keep his roach infested trap houses empty now so no one gets hurt.
My question relates to what Red Don's responsibilities are in regards to the safety of his properties.
If someone asked him is his properties safe now that Iran has intimated they're on a list does he have the responsibility of saying those properties are safe?
thx in advance
sarisataka
(18,837 posts)In any way except support for such attacks. "His own shit" is buildings full of civilians.
That is no better than his threats to attack non-military Iranian targets. (FWIW I oppose attacking military targets in Iran as well)
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... lose of any life.
Fuck him, he'll file an insurance claim anyway.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Attacks directed against civilians or civilian objects are unlawful.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/publications/research/2018-12-10-proportionality-conduct-hostilities-incidental-harm-gillard-final.pdf#page24
Though this is kind of a fun way to tease Trump, this is as unlawful as the stuff he himself suggests. And contrary to his expressed beliefs, two wrongs does not make one right.
magicarpet
(14,189 posts)We would like to reserve the bridal suite, a huuuugggge magnum of champagne, and the Mother of All Bombs.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)They have no problem throwing a gay guy off a 7 story building, stoning a child, honor killing a woman....but we are fans now??
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... of states who do no matter who they are.
I'm a patriot of this country not a fan or cheerleader.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)You typed..."This sounds like a rational approach by the Iranians,"....nothing they do is rational....they are Russian evil....don't be gay in Iran unless you can fly off buildings and not hit the street, or have neck strength of the rope around it....don't be a woman that might have had an extramarital affair in Iran....without a head tougher than the stones....
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... that.
Hell yes, matter of fact ... that's the way all wars should be fought ... send the people who start them.
sssshit.
Iran doesn't need to be even good for me to support what's right.
It's not right to support Red Don's illegal assassination of a lead in a nation state cause he doesn't like brown skinned people or whatever stupid assed justification they'd give.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)and we hate tRUMP.
ecstatic
(32,752 posts)At least they got a warning. I'm sure they have the funds to relocate. They need to do it quickly.
The next question is--is trump allowed to go to war with Iran if one of his properties is hit? These are things Congress needs to be discussing right now.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... infested properties.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...any more than if it showed up on Faux News. Of all the Murdoch rags, The Scum is among the Murdochiest.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)No.....what would make you think that a terrorist attack would fall on Dumpster?
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... of conflation here on terms of who's enemy and who's not.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,505 posts)Innocent civilians could still be hurt or killed. Were not really excited about possible terrorist attacks inside the country, are we?
That makes us as bad as he is.
Hes an asshole and a traitor but Im not rooting for a car bomb to hit his Vegas hotel.
Fuck that.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... blown up in one of Trumps Bed Bug infested Trap Houses and no bullet or body is spent them I'm down with that.
ooky
(8,930 posts)I like the idea of them going after his stuff, but the magats don't care about any money he wastes. We just need to vote him out, and then the magats can go to hell.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Destroying a tRump hotel might eliminate bedbugs, finally. Rebuilding will put the manufacturers of gold paint on the winning side.
bucolic_frolic
(43,382 posts)are making a brave noise here, and haven't done anything yet that I've heard of. And I don't wish for them to retaliate at all against us, or against Trump. Escalation is not the answer. Saving face, negotiating is the answer, but I'm not seeing how that is a path that can be found at this point. We have no diplomats, no SOS Kerry or Clinton, we have Pompeo. "Hi, we're here to facilitate the Christian Rapture." Yeah, THAT will be popular in the Middle East.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Its almost as if they know HEs the crazy one, the rest of us are just along on the orange scumbags train wreck
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Hell, Iran would be doing the world a favor by ridding it of one of those gilded monstrosities.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)and make them loose money. They are making it a risk to occupy any of trump's properties. I think that disallowing the creature's organization to make any money and thus default on payments to his Russian lenders will be a great strategy, the goal should be to completely bankrupt the SOB. And his Russian lenders will not be happy when he can't pay his debts to them.
cstanleytech
(26,337 posts)doing business including the selling of oil to anyone and any country that uses any of his properties.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Doodley
(9,152 posts)lpbk2713
(42,769 posts)Now that's a pretty good milestone.