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getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:23 PM Jan 2020

Facebook executive: we got Trump elected, and we shouldn't stop him in 2020

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21055348/facebook-trump-election-2020-leaked-memo-bosworth

In a memo obtained by The New York Times and publicly posted, a Facebook executive says the company’s platform was responsible for electing Donald Trump president in 2016, but he warned employees against using the company’s power to stop Trump’s reelection in 2020.


What a piece of shit. Fwiw, he "claims" trump won because of a brilliant digital campaign. BS. That campaign came from russia and cambridge analytica and was reinforced by facebook execs like himself.

More than a little self serving revisionism.

But what ever you do, don't stop trump in 2020! POS.
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Facebook executive: we got Trump elected, and we shouldn't stop him in 2020 (Original Post) getagrip_already Jan 2020 OP
Just WOW. Zoonart Jan 2020 #1
I hope this destroys Facebook and exposes them as a right wing operative. kimbutgar Jan 2020 #2
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #3
I'm sure we're both on the same page as to what we would like to happen to Zuckerberg and Thiel kimbutgar Jan 2020 #4
+1. No one should forget Thiel and his data-mining company dalton99a Jan 2020 #20
LOL, are you kidding? Skittles Jan 2020 #24
If i was on Facebook I'd quit. dem4decades Jan 2020 #5
The whole darn thing - those interested should read before commenting OKNancy Jan 2020 #6
thanks. and, yes, people SHOULD read (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2020 #9
Hes full of shit Cosmocat Jan 2020 #23
+1. "Cambridge Analytica is a total non-event" dalton99a Jan 2020 #34
worthy of its own thread Skittles Jan 2020 #28
FAIR AND BALANCED: He forgot to mention that he gave $113,231 to the Facebook PAC in 2015-2016 dalton99a Jan 2020 #33
Hmm..."To be clear, I'm no fan of Trump. I donated the max to Hillary. " progressoid Jan 2020 #35
The FB executive makes at least one demonstrably false statement: yardwork Jan 2020 #60
Wow, those were sure some self-serving "thoughts"! DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #61
nitwit and apathetic evertonfc Jan 2020 #7
ummm? NOT a big FB fan by any means stopdiggin Jan 2020 #8
uhmm, no, it's what he wasn't saying.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #10
This. octoberlib Jan 2020 #12
I read the entire post -- with a keen eye for the "self serving" stopdiggin Jan 2020 #14
Interesting take away. What brought you to arthritisR_US Jan 2020 #54
my take away stopdiggin Jan 2020 #65
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Jan 2020 #44
If Facebook had any integrity at all, octoberlib Jan 2020 #11
A lot of power has been bestowed KT2000 Jan 2020 #13
Facebook is destroying itself from within bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #15
THIS Cosmocat Jan 2020 #25
Not surprised by a un-American company rockfordfile Jan 2020 #16
Zuckerberg is a Russian asset. infullview Jan 2020 #17
+1 2naSalit Jan 2020 #42
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #45
Zuckerberg wants to keep his tax cuts dalton99a Jan 2020 #18
Most of my friends and family - OhZone Jan 2020 #19
That's the problem bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #21
Yeah - OhZone Jan 2020 #22
Okay all you f..ckbook users.. time to boycott. Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #26
He is partially correct but it was Russian bots using Facebook that actually carried it out. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #27
If you haven't already... Loge23 Jan 2020 #29
Elect Democratic candidates everywhere in 2020 and then let's go after FB. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2020 #30
I hope Iran cyber terrorists take out Fuckbook. Ilsa Jan 2020 #31
Dump Facebook malaise Jan 2020 #32
you know what I think of people who were never sucked into the FB Borg Skittles Jan 2020 #52
My siblings now understand malaise Jan 2020 #55
I think it's hilarous hearing people so concerned about internet privacy Skittles Jan 2020 #56
Hahahahahahhaha malaise Jan 2020 #57
I also have evaded them to date pecosbob Jan 2020 #58
He knows we are going to shut them down. n/t OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2020 #36
It's Not Just Zuckerberg who supported Trump, All the filthy rich did. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #37
+100000 bdamomma Jan 2020 #50
You folks arent making the fb pr agency happy at all... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #38
K&R burrowowl Jan 2020 #39
Remember when FB sold out our democracy to Cambridge Analytica? joost5 Jan 2020 #40
Zuckerberg needs another buck so he'll do it again Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #63
Here's the true dat . . . underthematrix Jan 2020 #41
Russia helped Trump via FaceBook ... fuck facebook uponit7771 Jan 2020 #43
We need government regulation of these rogue social media corporations. jcmaine72 Jan 2020 #46
Twitter is just as culpable as Facebook. Trump should have been banned long ago. LisaM Jan 2020 #47
He was not legitimately elected Meowmee Jan 2020 #48
Why anyone wants to use that sewer is beyond me. sinkingfeeling Jan 2020 #49
But I'm told here on DU all the time that FB is just fine, no problem at all. Squinch Jan 2020 #51
Most people don't accept the main point of my objection.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #53
I totally agree. With all of that. Squinch Jan 2020 #62
'A brilliant digital strategy' my ass pecosbob Jan 2020 #59
warren is correct... fb and others need to be broken up...... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #64
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. +1000
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jan 2020

Fuck them and fuck Zuckerberg. I have never sworn so much in my life, but I hate all these people with such a passion, I can't help myself. I can't even tell you what I wish upon them.

Skittles

(153,240 posts)
24. LOL, are you kidding?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020

people will do ANYTHING to avoid having to put effort into "keeping up with family and friends" - they DO.NOT.CARE.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. The whole darn thing - those interested should read before commenting
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jan 2020

The NYT recently obtained a copy of a post I made to the wall of my internal profile within Facebook. I thought it worth sharing in its entirety here for those who are interested. It wasn’t written for public consumption and I am worried about context collapse so I wanted to share some important context for those who are curious.

— We have a culture at Facebook of sharing ideas and inviting discussion internally. This post had dozens of comments challenging some of my statements and exploring the implication of others. I don’t think it appropriate to expose my colleagues’ internal musings to the same scrutiny as I will receive but several of those comment threads changed my views and I thought it was a very healthy back and forth.
— Overall I hoped this post would encourage my coworkers to continue to accept criticism with grace as we accept the responsibility we have overseeing our platform. I end with a call to discussion for what other areas we feel we are falling short that should be a focus in 2020.
— My day to day work doesn’t cover the issues discussed, so for example I’m not responsible for the teams working on misinformation or civic integrity.

Today is my birthday and I am out of the country and have only intermittent access to the internet, so I won’t be able to follow the coverage of this closely. I do hope it will be received in the spirit it was shared, one of exploring the past to better see what lies ahead.

+++

Thoughts for 2020

The election of Donald Trump immediately put a spotlight on Facebook. While the intensity and focus of that spotlight may be unfair I believe it isn’t unjust. Scrutiny is warranted given our position in society as the most prominent of a new medium. I think most of the criticisms that have come to light have been valid and represent real areas for us to serve our community better. I don’t enjoy having our flaws exposed, but I consider it far better than the alternative where we remain ignorant of our shortcomings.

One trap I sometimes see people falling into is to dismiss all feedback when they can invalidate one part of it. I see that with personal feedback and I see it happening with media coverage. The press often gets so many details wrong it can be hard to trust the veracity of their conclusions. Dismissing the whole because of flaws in parts is a mistake. The media has limited information to work with (by our own design!) and they sometimes get it entirely wrong but there is almost always some critical issue that motivated them to write which we need to understand.

It is worth looking at the 2016 Election which set this chain of events in motion. I was running our ads organization at the time of the election and had been for the four years prior (and for one year after). It is worth reminding everyone that Russian Interference was real but it was mostly not done through advertising. $100,000 in ads on Facebook can be a powerful tool but it can’t buy you an American election, especially when the candidates themselves are putting up several orders of magnitude more money on the same platform (not to mention other platforms).

Instead, the Russians worked to exploit existing divisions in the American public for example by hosting Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter protest events in the same city on the same day. The people who shows up to those events were real even if the event coordinator was not. Likewise the groups of Americans being fed partisan content was real even if those feeding them were not. The organic reach they managed sounds very big in absolute terms and unfortunately humans are bad at contextualizing big numbers. Whatever reach they managed represents an infinitesimal fraction of the overall content people saw in the same period of time and certainly over the course of an election across all media.

So most of the information floating around that is widely believed isn’t accurate. But who cares? It is certainly true that we should have been more mindful of the role both paid and organic content played in democracy and been more protective of it. On foreign interference, Facebook has made material progress and while we may never be able to fully eliminate it I don’t expect it to be a major issue for 2020.

Misinformation was also real and related but not the same as Russian interference. The Russians may have used misinformation alongside real partisan messaging in their campaigns, but the primary source of misinformation was economically motivated. People with no political interest whatsoever realized they could drive traffic to ad-laden websites by creating fake headlines and did so to make money. These might be more adequately described as hoaxes that play on confirmation bias or conspiracy theory. In my opinion this is another area where the criticism is merited. This is also an area where we have made dramatic progress and don’t expect it to be a major issue for 2020.

It is worth noting, as it is relevant at the current moment, that misinformation from the candidates themselves was not considered a major shortcoming of political advertising on FB in 2016 even though our policy then was the same as it is now. These policies are often covered by the press in the context of a profit motive. That’s one area I can confidently assure you the critics are wrong. Having run our ads business for some time it just isn’t a factor when we discuss the right thing to do. However, given that those conversations are private I think we can all agree the press can be forgiven for jumping to that conclusion. Perhaps we could do a better job exposing the real cost of these mistakes to make it clear that revenue maximization would have called for a different strategy entirely.

Cambridge Analytica is one of the more acute cases I can think of where the details are almost all wrong but I think the scrutiny is broadly right. Facebook very publicly launched our developer platform in 2012 in an environment primarily scrutinizing us for keeping data to ourselves. Everyone who added an application got a prompt explaining what information it would have access to and at the time it included information from friends. This may sound crazy in a 2020 context but it received widespread praise at the time. However the only mechanism we had for keeping data secure once it was shared was legal threats which ultimately didn’t amount to much for companies which had very little to lose. The platform didn’t build the value we had hoped for our consumers and we shut this form of it down in 2014.

The company Cambridge Analytica started by running surveys on Facebook to get information about people. It later pivoted to be an advertising company, part of our Facebook Marketing Partner program, who other companies could hire to run their ads. Their claim to fame was psychographic targeting. This was pure snake oil and we knew it; their ads performed no better than any other marketing partner (and in many cases performed worse). I personally regret letting them stay on the FMP program for that reason alone. However at the time we thought they were just another company trying to find an angle to promote themselves and assumed poor performance would eventually lose them their clients. We had no idea they were shopping an old Facebook dataset that they were supposed to have deleted (and certified to us in writing that they had).

When Trump won, Cambridge Analytica tried to take credit so they were back on our radar but just for making bullshit claims about their own importance. I was glad when the Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale called them out for it. Later on, we found out from journalists that they had never deleted the database and had instead made elaborate promises about its power for advertising. Our comms team decided it would be best to get ahead of the journalists and pull them from the platform. This was a huge mistake. It was not only bad form (justifiably angering the journalists) but we were also fighting the wrong battle. We wanted to be clear this had not been a data breach (which, to be fair to us, it absolutely was not) but the real concern was the existence of the dataset no matter how it happened. We also sent the journalists legal letters advising them not to use the term “breech” which was received normally by the NYT (who agreed) and aggressively by The Guardian (who forged ahead with the wrong terminology, furious about the letter) in spite of it being a relatively common practice I am told.

In practical terms, Cambridge Analytica is a total non-event. They were snake oil salespeople. The tools they used didn’t work, and the scale they used them at wasn’t meaningful. Every claim they have made about themselves is garbage. Data of the kind they had isn’t that valuable to being with and worse it degrades quickly, so much so as to be effectively useless in 12-18 months. In fact the United Kingdom Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) seized all the equipment at Cambridge Analytica and found that there was zero data from any UK citizens! So surely, this is one where we can ignore the press, right? Nope. The platform was such a poor move that the risks associated were bound to come to light. That we shut it down in 2014 and never paid the piper on how bad it was makes this scrutiny justified in my opinion, even if it is narrowly misguided.

So was Facebook responsible for Donald Trump getting elected? I think the answer is yes, but not for the reasons anyone thinks. He didn’t get elected because of Russia or misinformation or Cambridge Analytica. He got elected because he ran the single best digital ad campaign I’ve ever seen from any advertiser. Period.

To be clear, I’m no fan of Trump. I donated the max to Hillary. After his election I wrote a post about Trump supporters that I’m told caused colleagues who had supported him to feel unsafe around me (I regret that post and deleted shortly after).

But Parscale and Trump just did unbelievable work. They weren’t running misinformation or hoaxes. They weren’t microtargeting or saying different things to different people. They just used the tools we had to show the right creative to each person. The use of custom audiences, video, ecommerce, and fresh creative remains the high water mark of digital ad campaigns in my opinion.

That brings me to the present moment, where we have maintained the same ad policies. It occurs to me that it very well may lead to the same result. As a committed liberal I find myself desperately wanting to pull any lever at my disposal to avoid the same result. So what stays my hand?

I find myself thinking of the Lord of the Rings at this moment. Specifically when Frodo offers the ring to Galadrial and she imagines using the power righteously, at first, but knows it will eventually corrupt her. As tempting as it is to use the tools available to us to change the outcome, I am confident we must never do that or we will become that which we fear.

The philosopher John Rawls reasoned that the only moral way to decide something is to remove yourself entirely from the specifics of any one person involved, behind a so called “Veil of Ignorance.” That is the tool that leads me to believe in liberal government programs like universal healthcare, expanding housing programs, and promoting civil rights. It is also the tool that prevents me from limiting the reach of publications who have earned their audience, as distasteful as their content may be to me and even to the moral philosophy I hold so dear.

That doesn’t mean there is no line. Things like incitement of violence, voter suppression, and more are things that same moral philosophy would safely allow me to rule out. But I think my fellow liberals are a bit too, well, liberal when it comes to calling people Nazi’s.

If we don’t want hate mongering politicians then we must not elect them. If they are getting elected then we have to win hearts and minds. If we change the outcomes without winning the minds of the people who will be ruled then we have a democracy in name only. If we limit what information people have access to and what they can say then we have no democracy at all.

This conversation often raises the alarm around filter bubbles, but that is a myth that is easy to dispel. Ask yourself how many newspapers and news programs people read/watched before the internet. If you guessed “one and one” on average you are right, and if you guessed those were ideologically aligned with them you are right again. The internet exposes them to far more content from other sources (26% more on Facebook, according to our research). This is one that everyone just gets wrong.

The focus on filter bubbles causes people to miss the real disaster which is polarization. What happens when you see 26% more content from people you don’t agree with? Does it help you empathize with them as everyone has been suggesting? Nope. It makes you dislike them even more. This is also easy to prove with a thought experiment: whatever your political leaning, think of a publication from the other side that you despise. When you read an article from that outlet, perhaps shared by an uncle or nephew, does it make you rethink your values? Or does it make you retreat further into the conviction of your own correctness? If you answered the former, congratulations you are a better person than I am. Every time I read something from Breitbart I get 10% more liberal.

What does all of this say about the nature of the algorithmic rewards? Everyone points to top 0.1% content as being acutely polarized but how steep are the curves? What does the top 1% or 5% look like? And what is the real reach across those curves when compared to other content? I think the call for algorithmic transparency can sometimes be overblown but being more transparent about this type of data would likely be healthy.

What I expect people will find is that the algorithms are primarily exposing the desires of humanity itself, for better or worse. This is a Sugar, Salt, Fat problem. The book of that name tells a story ostensibly about food but in reality about the limited effectiveness of corporate paternalism. A while ago Kraft foods had a leader who tried to reduce the sugar they sold in the interest of consumer health. But customers wanted sugar. So instead he just ended up reducing Kraft market share. Health outcomes didn’t improve. That CEO lost his job. The new CEO introduced quadruple stuffed Oreos and the company returned to grace. Giving people tools to make their own decisions is good but trying to force decisions upon them rarely works (for them or for you).

In these moments people like to suggest that our consumers don’t really have free will. People compare social media to nicotine. I find that wildly offensive, not to me but to addicts. I have seen family members struggle with alcoholism and classmates struggle with opioids. I know there is a battle for the terminology of addiction but I side firmly with the neuroscientists. Still, while Facebook may not be nicotine I think it is probably like sugar. Sugar is delicious and for most of us there is a special place for it in our lives. But like all things it benefits from moderation.

At the end of the day we are forced to ask what responsibility individuals have for themselves. Set aside substances that directly alter our neurochemistry unnaturally. Make costs and trade-offs as transparent as possible. But beyond that each of us must take responsibility for ourselves. If I want to eat sugar and die an early death that is a valid position. My grandfather took such a stance towards bacon and I admired him for it. And social media is likely much less fatal than bacon.

To bring this uncharacteristically long and winding essay full circle, I wanted to start a discussion about what lessons people are taking away from the press coverage. My takeaway is that we were late on data security, misinformation, and foreign interference. We need to get ahead of polarization and algorithmic transparency. What are the other big topics people are seeing and where are we on those?

In an internal memo, Andrew Bosworth said he “desperately” wanted the president to lose. But, he said, the company should avoid hurting Mr. Trump’s campaign.

stopdiggin

(11,395 posts)
9. thanks. and, yes, people SHOULD read (nt)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jan 2020

first. -- THEN you can all fire off the preconceived opinions.

Cosmocat

(14,576 posts)
23. Hes full of shit
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

I saw whst was going on in real time on Facebook and tried to tell people, it wasn't "brilliance" by the Trump campaign, it was exactly what people are saying, stategic manipulation of weak minded people by nebulous interests, hell it STILL is happening.

dalton99a

(81,656 posts)
34. +1. "Cambridge Analytica is a total non-event"
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jan 2020
"He didn’t get elected because of Russia or misinformation or Cambridge Analytica. He got elected because he ran the single best digital ad campaign I’ve ever seen from any advertiser. Period."

All you need to know about this scumbag

dalton99a

(81,656 posts)
33. FAIR AND BALANCED: He forgot to mention that he gave $113,231 to the Facebook PAC in 2015-2016
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jan 2020

while he gave $2,700 to Hillary for America in the same reporting period

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/


progressoid

(50,001 posts)
35. Hmm..."To be clear, I'm no fan of Trump. I donated the max to Hillary. "
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for posting the whole thing.

yardwork

(61,729 posts)
60. The FB executive makes at least one demonstrably false statement:
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:27 AM
Jan 2020
But Parscale and Trump just did unbelievable work. They weren’t running misinformation or hoaxes.

This is simply false. The Trump campaign ran numerous FB ads that were blatantly false, such as the claim that Trump had given lots of money to St. Jude's for cancer research.

stopdiggin

(11,395 posts)
8. ummm? NOT a big FB fan by any means
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jan 2020

but what this exec was actually SAYING .. was that two wrongs don't make a right. A position that I think most would agree is correct. Right?

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
10. uhmm, no, it's what he wasn't saying....
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jan 2020

Rather than own up to what they did WRONG in 2016 and urging the company to not let it happen again, he said don't stop trump.

Nobody is asking fb to stop trump. FB should be stopping what they did wrong, and he isn't owning up to, or urging a stop to it.

That is why he is a POS. Not some 2 wrong BS. How about just don't repeat your wrong? Doesn't say that.

stopdiggin

(11,395 posts)
14. I read the entire post -- with a keen eye for the "self serving"
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:19 PM
Jan 2020

which I totally expect from any invested party -- no matter how respected, or not.
And I still came away with the impression that there was more "truth" (and less distortion) there than in your statement. as follows:

That campaign came from russia and cambridge analytica and was reinforced by facebook execs like himself.

respectfully -- no, it did not.

stopdiggin

(11,395 posts)
65. my take away
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020

comes from reading. (watch little or no TV .. not that I consider that a virtue, just a qualifier)
And I'm not sure how to process your question regarding dates and so forth ...
But the short answer is an interest in a discussion forum with (somewhat) like minded points of view. And you?
I "qualify" (once again) with "somewhat" like minded, because I'm not a particular fan of what I call the shrill, the hysterical and the conspiracy mongers. Everybody is entitled to their opinion -- but that doesn't mean all opinions are held in equal regard.

(And I flat out detest deliberate attempts at fake news and dishonest spin .. I think there ought to be a tab for "liar, liar, pants on .." -- except that it would prove impossible to manage and enforce in this setting.)

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. If Facebook had any integrity at all,
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jan 2020

they’d follow Twitter and Google’s lead and ban political advertising across their platforms. He’s also full of shit about Cambridge Analytica’s influence and Trump’s ads not containing any misinformation.




?s=21

This is why Facebook is a clear & present danger to society. The breathtaking audacity of this senior executive who refuses ever to answer my qs. Facebook was found to have acted illegally - not just in US, but UK, Canada, Brazil As exposed by Cambridge Analytica "non-event"

KT2000

(20,597 posts)
13. A lot of power has been bestowed
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020

on a very few. The tech giants are in charge of more than we acknowledge and this was just a slip of the tongue. trump did not invite them to the White House to assure a fair election.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
19. Most of my friends and family -
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jan 2020

have reduced their use of FB.

My significant other gave it up before I met her.

bucolic_frolic

(43,393 posts)
21. That's the problem
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:51 PM
Jan 2020

we don't boycott well, as liberals. Few want to change their consumption or behavior.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
22. Yeah -
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:54 PM
Jan 2020

But at least, Julie is good at it.

And we have so much fun and more time to be together without having to look at our phones all the time, that is, when she isn't traveling for her job.

Then it's Skype time or whatever.

Oh well.



totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
27. He is partially correct but it was Russian bots using Facebook that actually carried it out.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:09 PM
Jan 2020

What I think he really means is lets make sure that the Russian bots are able to do the same thing again.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
29. If you haven't already...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

Dump Facebook.
Other alternatives will come along. Dump it and it's feckless weasel CEO and thief.

Ilsa

(61,709 posts)
31. I hope Iran cyber terrorists take out Fuckbook.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jan 2020

I'd cheer that on.

It would be a good way for them to get even with the dotard.

Skittles

(153,240 posts)
56. I think it's hilarous hearing people so concerned about internet privacy
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:17 AM
Jan 2020

when FB knows everything about them

LOL - the "privacy settings" -

Farmer-Rick

(10,219 posts)
37. It's Not Just Zuckerberg who supported Trump, All the filthy rich did.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:40 PM
Jan 2020

America is ruled by the filthy rich. They manipulate us, prey on us, and abuse us. They stay rich and powerful because we fight among ourselves and buy into their lies.

Their wealth is stolen from our nation. They aren't smarter or more business savy. They are simply more corrupt and greedy. Don't trust Any of the filthy rich. From the Koch Bros to Bill Gates they are feeding off of us. If they have more than $10 million they are as evil and greedy as King Kim in North Korea or a Saudi. They will chop you up into little pieces without a second thought if it would make them a buck.

Most of what they have should be taken away from them. Their wealth is really our wealth that we let them keep. The wealth they made should be in our Nation's coffers working to make our nation a better place. Not working to buy sex workers, castles, servants and gold toilets.

We are a nation of sales clerks selling a filthy rich man's crap. Putin is a tool our American oligarchs hired to install a dick-tatter. And it will only get worse unless there is mass protest.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
38. You folks arent making the fb pr agency happy at all...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jan 2020

This post is on their radar, they have made their initial response, but its trendjnv the wrong way.

Now they have to come back after dinner and attempt again to contain this.

So much bother. Have you no sympathy?

Mostly joking, but having worked with pr agencies doing reputation managemrnt, not by a lot. Just mechanical diffs.... nobody misses dinner in real life.

joost5

(421 posts)
40. Remember when FB sold out our democracy to Cambridge Analytica?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jan 2020

Under the guise of "research" they stole the FB database of users and weaponized it to swing the vote for Trump in 2016.

Good times.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
46. We need government regulation of these rogue social media corporations.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jan 2020

FB, Twitter, YouTube, etc, they're the new public square.

Ironically enough, many cons have been demanding this too because they stupidly (and incorrectly) perceive these greedy, irresponsible entities as being "librul". Meanwhile, here's an FB exec bragging about they were instrumental in getting Don the Con elected. Can these people get any dumber?

LisaM

(27,847 posts)
47. Twitter is just as culpable as Facebook. Trump should have been banned long ago.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jan 2020

Twitter gives him a pulpit he does not deserve - IMO, if they cut him off, it would make a lot bigger difference than Facebook's ad platforms.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
48. He was not legitimately elected
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:53 PM
Jan 2020

Which needs to be said over an over again, as well as that he is mentally unstable and a longtime criminal and Russian asset etc. fb definitely played a role in what happened by aiding the cyber attack and they should pay dearly for it. As did the media and many more.

Squinch

(51,059 posts)
51. But I'm told here on DU all the time that FB is just fine, no problem at all.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:34 PM
Jan 2020

I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, but I'm told here on DU that I am just being paranoid.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
53. Most people don't accept the main point of my objection....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:01 AM
Jan 2020

to social media, so don't feel altogether alone.

It's my contention that social media, among other things, robs humanity of one of our most valuable assets - the mental and emotional power of direct human contact and communications in person. We're made to survive best when making the most of direct interaction. We react the most logically, are much more likely to debate and compromise (rather than be selfish), and we gain internal peace from direct contact. We're also far less likely to express or act out in a mean or violent fashion.

A powerful parallel destruction of human community has occurred due to huge retail corporations destroying our small community retail environment where neighbors used to meet and interface socially. Now, even big box stores are threatened by on-line shopping for everything.

I wish I had quick and easy solutions for these issues.......

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
59. 'A brilliant digital strategy' my ass
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:51 AM
Jan 2020

The MSM was 24/7 TrumpTV in 2016. Who is responsible for what the MSM spews? The one percent.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
64. warren is correct... fb and others need to be broken up......
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:36 AM
Jan 2020

They are simply too powerful and too greedy to be left as mega-conglomerates.

Break them up.

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