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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonald J. Trump is not at all well.
His word-slurring and odd pauses to breathe seem to me to indicate low oxygen levels in his bloodstream.
He very deliberately inhales forcefully through his nose to prevent the appearance of gasping for breath, but he is, in fact, gasping for breath.
I would not be surprised if he receives oxygen prior to such appearances. That could explain his lateness. He probably does not come out until his oxygen levels approach normal. I would also not be surprised if he leaves the room after speaking and immediately dons an oxygen mask.
He is a man with serious health issues.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)the more he fucks up. He has never been well.
ScratchCat
(2,016 posts)No, there has to be something seriously wrong. This has gone on for too long and has clearly gotten "worse".
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)I think he probably has this problem frequently. If you notice, in most cases, he speaks while sitting, as in remarks made with some other world leader beside him. Standing for long periods is very difficult for him, I believe.
Some sort of cardiac insufficiency is in play with Trump.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)My husband has it. He has to limit fluid consumption. No salt on anything. He often gasps for breath. Has to walk slower. Feels better when seated.
Also, medications to reduce BAD Cholesterol take its toll on overall heart health.
I on the other hand, have sped up my pace.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)It's not surprising, really, but I'm surprised he can speak that long, really. Like I said, I think he was breathing oxygen before the speech and immediately afterward, too. He can't keep that up for very long.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)No thinking involved...
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)he almost always goes way off the script. He's incapable of making sense off the top of his head. So, he gets scripted remarks and a teleprompter. He's really quite incompetent.
pwb
(11,295 posts)He is done traveling for the rest of his life because of his own doing..His whole family should feel the same... He is a coward snowflake wussy fake tough man and it is showing even more after this stupid mistake. I feel pretty good about trump getting what he gave so much of his life, he deserves it all.
MFM008
(19,826 posts)a bowl of salty tomato soup could send my mom to the hospital with CHF and COPD for a couple of days.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)a beta blocker was mentioned.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)And that latest series of pics with the impeachment bags under his eyes, like he's got two black eyes. I'll bet that thanks to his amphetamine habit, he hasn't slept a wink in two weeks...
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)The heavy breathing was very noticeable and he slurred several words. It looked like it took great effort for him to stand there and talk that long. Also his pupils were dilated, but that tends to be common for him. He clearly is not well.
Meanwhile, the man behind him on the right looked very uncomfortable and concerned.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)one out of 3 days. He's not super healthy, but what we saw wasn't advanced CHF. Maybe take a look at him at last night's rally.
Best guess 90% anxiety from a temporary but profound forced realization, against which he'd not yet restored his protections from reality, that he's not brilliant and not smarter than everyone else but instead did something incredibly stupid that may hurt him badly -- though he doesn't really understand why. Everyone was supposed to admire America's strong man, including the murderous strong-man dictators he admires.
Remember, the man has serious mental issues, and that almost certainly includes a strong personality disorder. Read about those some assign to a "cluster B." That would explain everything we're been witnessing all along. And move a miraculous recovery from debilitating lung disease in time for the rally way down the list of possibilities.
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)Yesterday he was back to being his usual obnoxious, bellicose self. I still think he has some health issues, but that could be accompanied with psychological problems and probably too much self-medicating. His unscheduled trip to Walter Reed awhile back was also suspicious. Perhaps when he becomes overwhelmed, he has anxiety attacks that appear to look like a heart condition.
I have to wonder what he did to bounce back so quickly. Perhaps a sedative and a good night's sleep?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a very restorative tonic of cheering crowds reflecting his own megalomaniacal image back at him.
Those awful rallies are like a tonic for him. I wonder how long he can sustain these highs.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the yes-men around him as they wince at constant new realities threatening to crash those highs.
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)to imagine it. I suppose in the beginning, it was just a little compromise here and there. Then one day they woke up and realized how deep in the crap they were and they couldn't see a way out. Definitely a well-deserved hell. Though, I'm sure there were many opportunities to say, "no" and walk away.
Zoonart
(11,891 posts)I have seen this play out in my own life. I think that the reason he now takes most of his meetings in the residence is that he has an oxygen unit.
captain queeg
(10,274 posts)He stands and talks for a long time. Of course he doesnt make much sense but his minions eat it up. Maybe being surrounded by an adoring crowd revs his system up.
Kali
(55,027 posts)he stands and spews for hours.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)3catwoman3
(24,083 posts)...makes him feel better -fight-or-flight mode. Probably some endorphin release, too.
paleotn
(17,990 posts)People seem to always find the energy to do the things they enjoy even if theyre in terrible health. And at rallies, he can slur his words all he likes. He makes no damn sense anyway just like his nazi followers.
NJCher
(35,787 posts)I've noted that before.
3Hotdogs
(12,444 posts)3catwoman3
(24,083 posts)If he is engaging in a 3 hour rant at one of his stupid rallies, maybe.
azureblue
(2,155 posts)Don snorts Adderall. He's been an Adderall addict for decades. That is why he snorts and sniffles- to get the powder back up into his sinuses - just like a meth or coke head. That is what his speeches are so out there - he snorts Adderall before his public appearances, but the problem for him is that his brain is fried from over use and abuse. So he snorts but doesn't make any sense and he is lost in his own little fantasy megalomaniac world where he is king and can say and do as he pleases and he thinks everybody will believe his rants.
Look at his tweet cycle - at the end of his "day" he goes to his residence, eats supper and snorts Adderall, which keep him awake all hours, so he tweets whatever floats through his brain. Just like the coke head that scores an eigth and sits up all night scribbling crazy stuff, snorts more, scribbles more, etc..
What I don't understand is that it is so freaking obvious. Jeez! I mean look at him during the debates - he was so wired I thought he was going to vibrate off the stage. And no one has said much of anything about it. Don is a burned out druggie. Period. Put him in a 72 psych eval, then into rehab, and remove him from office due to mental incapacity.
Impeachment will not get him out of office. Drug abuse will. The evidence is right there. Drag his wired up butt out of the White House.
sacto95834
(393 posts)He couldn't stand that long and make incoherent statements. He's supposed to have another Rally. We'll see if he has problems.
Mentally, yes. I think Orange has lots of issues.
fwvinson
(488 posts)You know there are alot of medications that can pep a fella up.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)when he is winging his spewing of hatred and lies during his rallies. It is so different when he has to read a speech, filled with words written by others that do not match his own beliefs. There is something else going on here.
usaf-vet
(6,231 posts)Surely they wouldn't mislead the American people.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)...the white house spokesman a couple weeks ago talking about his tremendous intellect.
BigmanPigman
(51,646 posts)When I heard him I thought that is how he seemed.
still_one
(92,482 posts)MineralMan
(146,341 posts)bdamomma
(63,941 posts)or many medications?
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,415 posts)maybe we should be happy, it's better than Trump uncontrolled
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)He was gasping for breath after almost every word.
I bet he collapsed onto a couch as soon as he returned to the room away from cameras.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)rant at his rallies for sometimes 2 hours?
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)Adderall seems to be his drug of choice. Apparently he has used it for years.
womanofthehills
(8,795 posts)"Donald Trump abused Adderall on the set & it made him crazy. He even snorted Adderall. Mark Burnett knew it. It's scary," he wrote in a tweet, accusing The Apprentice creator of knowing that the president took the attention deficit hyperactivity disorder drug.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-snorted-adderall-apprentice-tom-arnold-noel-casler-1257787
Comedian Noel Caster who worked on Apprentice with Trump for 6 yrs - start at 3:28 - goes into Trump snorting Adderall toward end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=391&v=T9afSmPEQDo&feature=emb_logo
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)and it appears that his drug usage has always been worse than most people realized. We have every reason to be scared.
oldsoftie
(12,641 posts)His whole public life he's railed against smoking, drugs & drinking; saying he'd never done any of those things & he always insisted his kids didnt. And never saw any of his kids in the tabloids doing anything either. And no one from his past ever called him out on it. Being like that, if he WAS doing something he would certainly have been doing it hidden from ANYONES eyes.
I just think he's a doddering old fool and its showing more every day
Captain Zero
(6,845 posts)nt
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Granted, he's on a cart, but he still has to walk to the hole.
I think he was more breathless today than normal. He knows Iran has the lawnmower and he's the grass.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)drives right up to the ball, even on the greens, which is against the rules at most courses.
Also, you might notice that we never see video of him out on the course.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Really amazing hes still upright.
DinahMoeHum
(21,821 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Even though he owns the course, you'd think he wouldn't want to rut the greens. He might not count all his strokes, but being on the green in plain sight he'd almost have to. I suppose the ruts would give him an excuse for a bad shot.
I can't imagine being so thoughtless, entitled and selfish to conduct your life in such a way when most humans around you are following the rules.
Donald Jr. seems to be following his ol' man pretty closely with these traits.
lastlib
(23,352 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)They can use old footage, he can pose, he only has to give the impression he's playing.
Delmette2.0
(4,175 posts)There is a short staircase at the side or back of the plane.
We only see him coming down the tall stairs.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)a quirky fear of stairs. Wonder if that was true?
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)that is true, at one meeting in the UK (before he cast our allies aside) he was in arm and arm with Theresa May going down some stairs.
Who can forget how tRump's predecessor used to fly down the stairs of AF1, he was like a prizefighter.
Mopar151
(10,004 posts)So much, it's crowding his lungs
llmart
(15,563 posts)He is a man with serious mental health issues also.
Either way, I really don't care, do u?
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)I think he's running on Empty. Soon, the tank will go dry for him.
PJMcK
(22,060 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Boomerproud
(7,974 posts)he and his henchmen want all of us to be adversely affected by him. It's been happening for 3 1/2 years.
47of74
(18,470 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)My view, from the WaPo link, shows the right hand side of his face. I can easily see, even on a workplace monitor, where the spray tan stops. The effect is less pronounced this morning than it was a few days ago, but the border stands out.
Is This an Authentic Photograph of Trump?
Link to tweet
On the bright side, it is Obama's fault.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)MineralMan
(146,341 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)You see the makeup line. He is white as a sheet. That stems from low iron in the blood. He could also be Anemic. That explains too the tiredness, the gasping for air.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)I look at 2 pictures of that fake asshole and I'm repulsed.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)You see the makeup line. He is white as a sheet. That stems from low iron in the blood. He could also be Anemic. That explains too the tiredness, the gasping for air.
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)and his bronzer was applied very unevenly.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Is this really surprising? But like Reagan before him, Trump is protected by the sycophants around him.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)Trump is not one to take any advice. This lifestyle will get to him as the year progresses. We will see more huffing and puffing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And he is under stress. Self-caused, but still stressful.
Add stress to poor diet, little sleep, his age, and excessive weight, he is a ticking time bomb. I don't know how he's lasted as long as he has.
Shipwack
(2,178 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)The best and brightest go early while malignant fucks like the orange butt plug and Pat Robertson are still here.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)almost fainted once during the campaign!
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)she is still alive!!! How on earth is that possible?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,474 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I am 170 pounds at 5'8", and that makes me technically over weight. I run every day, and lift weights, and fit easily in 32" waist pants.
But Trump is clearly obese.
And he is clearly in poor health.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)Is a better indicator of health. Muscle and bone are denser than body fat. The ratio of Lean Body Mass to Body fat, indicates body composition.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,474 posts)His shortness of breath and verbal tics can be. Weight is not, even obesity.
47of74
(18,470 posts)But it doesnt help. I lost over 100 pounds and Im much healthier now then I was before.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,843 posts)I am 5 to 7 pounds under my Weight Watchers goal. I keep active for going on 68.
The numbers I live by are my AIC, Cholesterol(Blood Lipids), BP, Glucose.
My LDLs are a tad high, but my HDLs are in the 80's and Triglycerides in the 70's, which is excellent.
Blood Pressure ranges in the one-teens over 68. Blood Glucose in the low 90s on a regular basis. Low AIC.
I suspect Trump's numbers are off the chart.
Johnny2X2X
(19,240 posts)Occasionally I'll run up a couple flights of stairs and then have a conversation and find myself doing the same types of breathing while speaking. He looks awful and congestive heart failure is likely.
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)That is how I would sound if I couldn't get my breath. It is hard to speak a complete sentence.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)A friend died from it last year. In his 60s. Heavy smoker.
Another is now on Oxygen. She never smoked.
PatSeg
(47,691 posts)It hits the worst in winter. If I'm under any kind of stress, it is very hard to talk. Just watching him try to speak made me a bit anxious.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)To hear that. It is awful to try and breath. I have seasonal allergies. That is bad enough. The cold affects me, too. Electric mattress pad is great!
Neuropathy is my problem. The reason I exercise in the Y pool.
But for Trump I think drugs are his big problem. Something happened they rushed him to the hospital. He seems to be going down hill rapidly.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)of breath. So I imagine after railing Adderall all night, with very little to no sleep this makes sense.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He's been on it for decades. That, in addition to his high-fat, high-salt diet, Diet Coke addiction and lack of exercise would make one think that he's not long for this world.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)How he has hung on this long, is beyond me.
Vinca
(50,321 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Notice that he's only trotted out in the morning or early afternoon.
irisblue
(33,041 posts)Tom Joseph (@TomJChicago) Tweeted:
Trump is a neurological nightmare struggling at the podium. Words like tolerated & accomplishment are unpronounceable, although a compliment revealed his inner desire. The protruding tongue appears- completely expected now. Pack him up- head to the Mayo Clinic neurological https://t.co/5d5jtsEdlK
Link to tweet
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)hatrack
(59,596 posts)Just asking . . .
irisblue
(33,041 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Real time , while republicans are allowing this nightmare to continue. He will not be able to get to the 2020 election without something major happening to him. He is not well at all, and its showing more every day.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)He is just about redundant now.
PatrickforO
(14,600 posts)holding, the coup would have been successful.
As it is, if we are extremely lucky and extremely wise, we will find a way to restore our republic, but in a way that reflects what it should be, a way that reflects the nobleness of which we humans are capable.
Or not. In which case we're on the way to a bloodbath.
ScratchCat
(2,016 posts)When it comes to the 2020 election.
1 - Secretly hope Trump can't make it, get someone else.
2- If Trump makes in and loses, he resigns and Pence pardons him.
3- If Trump makes it and wins, he resigns due to health reasons and Pence pardons him just in case.
That's probably how they see it right now. There may be a contingency trying to convince his family to get him to sit down, but their criminal exposure probably worries the family too so who knows if they would get him to quit if they didn't have assurances they wouldn't face charges on other Trump Co. matters.
CrispyQ
(36,547 posts)Four years of Pence will be a nightmare. Especially built on the destruction that the Con has already done. Otherwise, I don't fear Pence, much. I don't think he'd be able to win their primary. But if he can sneak into the presidency on the Con's coattails, the dominionists might win this battle.
Maeve
(42,301 posts)There should already be a file started
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)if Trumpass makes it to the election and wins via the electoral college again, but resigns due to health reasons; Pence becomes POTUS, Pompeo maneuvers himself into the VP slot, and, Pompeo engineers Pences resignation or impeachment/removal.
Pompeo, who is the smart dominionist, becomes POTUS: destruction of the world begins in order to hasten the rapture.
Jeebus!
cactusfractal
(497 posts)Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)Can't he see that the job is killing him?
PatrickforO
(14,600 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)dalton99a
(81,656 posts)BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)At least let him do it live on TV. The ultimate final episode of the reality show from HEll.
TNNurse
(6,931 posts)Southern Blueneck
(75 posts)The more, the better.
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Millions of lives were saved by whomsoever convinced him to not start throwing military hardware at Iran.
gab13by13
(21,469 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,222 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)When he came on I wasn't watching the television screen, just listening. What I heard was someone gasping for breath.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)I listened to it on headphones at work.... so I wasn't distracted by the visual mess. I was surprised it was so bad with the heavy breathing and the lazy pronunciations.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Link to tweet
Trump is on drugs, whether we want to face it or not, he is an Adderall addict and has been addicted to speed for decades. Benzos figure in as well as the UK Sudafed he takes to control those sniffles and for the buzz. This was NO secret in TV Production.
@realDonaldTrump
Beryllinthranox
(33 posts)Obama aged horribly in just 8 years. Not typical for a black man at his age.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Trump has spent an entire year literally on the golf course and the other 2 years worth watching TV and tweeting.
What does he do that's so taxing?
Pluvious
(4,328 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I would argue he aged quite well, in fact, if we're talking about looks.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)How old are you? 10?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The job takes a toll on even the healthiest of individuals.
mudstump
(342 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)So many have attested to that on his staff.
Maybe it explains the utter teleprompter breakdowns and awkward cadence.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)Short term dementia can not read. He has trouble reading the TelePrompter.
Wonder how he will do now that he is really going to Toledo?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Are lots of theories why he does so poorly on teleprompter.
Dyslexia
Cognitive impairment/dementia
Doesn't/can't read - learning disability
Someone else's words - so doesn't care and doesn't practice
He lacks the discipline to write the underlying speech. People who do write, write in complete sentences with proper syntax. Trump does not speak that way.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)He has to force himself to show emotions.
What I do not understand is why the writer allowed him to lie 3 times in one short speech.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)Same energy.
Link to tweet
Contemplating exit strategies from the room.
Link to tweet
It seems like hes having trouble getting his face paint on right. Doesnt it look patchy and uneven?
Link to tweet
Accelerating. Hair too, unkempt.
He's been looking like a neglected nursing home patient for weeks now. Not sure how much longer they can keep up this Weekend at Bernie's charade.
Link to tweet
flying rabbit
(4,644 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)have more than a few feet to walk to the front of the WH!" Then I remembered when I woke up one morning and couldn't breathe well. I went to the ER and during my 3 day stay there, they found low oxygen in my blood, out of kilter electrolites, apparent heart failure. I was put on meds, oxygen, & IV's. I'm still on some meds but fairly healthy
That was 1 1/2 years ago. If he doesn't get necessary care, he could get much worse very quickly!
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)am a trial attorney and I am repulsed sitting around court hearing my fellow attorneys talking about how they support him. Its hard to believe that many of these people i have known for years support him. One lawyer was telling his client about the stock market gains and how that trickles down to stimulate the economy. What rubbish. Kind of reminds me of 2016 when I saw many Trump lawn signs and few Hillary signs.
mahina
(17,725 posts)If you dont mind?
Im curious to learn how they came to feel this way
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)I dont say this to score political points (this moment is too serious for that) but...Trump did not sound well while making that speech. Something was very off.
Link to tweet
I hope it's nothing minor.
Link to tweet
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)None of the media people ever mention it, though, which seems odd to me.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)90-percent
(6,829 posts)Dennis Hopper's character Frank Booth in David Lynch's mid eighties move "Blue Velvet".
-90% Jimmy
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)all while remaining healthy at that age. The signs point to cardiovascular health issues, I'd guess. No telling what else is wrong with him phsycially. And mentally, dont get me started. He must be a walking health time bomb just waiting to go off.
Traildogbob
(8,858 posts)The republican criminals will pop him up in a seat until death just to continue to get his cult support while theY fuck us behind closed doors. He is a useful puppet not only for Putin, but also the entire GOP. That is how sick the entire GOP is. Zero democracy. Soon, he will be the voice behind the curtain. And saddest part, one third of this ignorant nation will continue to rabidly follow and bow to a recorded voice slamming the "Democrat" party. While consuming poison, losing health care and going into poverty. But, they can use the "N" word, say Merry Christmas and own lid tards. I am a vet from Vietnam era. I will NOT stand for the anthem, salute anything, or even recognize the flag until the Russian GOP in gone. At this minute, America sucks for allowing this to happen. Fuck banning Muslims, ban billionaire Austrailans and deport those that are here. That is our downfall. And not another word about the 600 killed by the Iran General as reason to assassinate, go after the one that has killed 6,000 plus in Irag while acquiring imence wealth. Cheney et al, are the enemy. Those dead soldiers are gone for nothing, Iraq will never trust us again. Like they want OUR style of government.
CrispyQ
(36,547 posts)Sticking it to the libs is a huge part of their agenda. Rush told them so. Ignoring hate radio is the stupidest thing the dems/left ever did and we still do. WTF?
Duppers
(28,127 posts)👍
CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)I am honestly shocked that anyone can watch this guy. Every time I see his image or hear him speak, it's like a trigger has gone off and I'm in full fight-or-flight mode. That someone (many people I guess) can watch him and notice changes in his behavior is equivalent to a super-power as far as I'm concerned.
So ... thank you for your observations. I hope it doesn't trigger PTSD later
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)I don't want to miss some important event.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)He has to be removed from office, but would the actions of Theocrat Pence be any better?
lark
(23,182 posts)His make up was so hastily and clumsily applied that he looked like a freaking clown! Also, there was a huge streak on one of his cheeks, not matched on the other side. For a person this famously vainglorious to make a major speech looking like that - something is seriously serious wrong. OMG. He looked like Bernie in Weekend at Bernies - plus makeup.
Then, of course, as you discussed, there was his manner of speaking. He sounded about as alive as the aforementioned Bernie, a severe lack of oxygen could certainly cause that weak gasping wooden breathy way of speaking. The idiocy and dementia have been obvious for awhile, but this disarray is new and, I agree, a serious development.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I imagine that his state was even worse then.
The Blue Flower
(5,447 posts)Too bad if the lying traitor can't breathe well enough to keep lying in the meantime. Wastes less O2 that way.
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)I just hope they escalate.
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)cockroaches that will survive a nuclear Armageddon.
He'll be here long after most of us are gone.
And furiously appointing absolutely heinous people to lifetime positions so that he can continue to fuck with us even after he DOES go to Hell.
another
(9 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,601 posts)especially since the president's personal physician was riding in the same limo as Trump, which just isn't done.
It isn't the first time a president's ill health has been covered up, or at least minimized, during their presidency. FDR had polio, for example, but it wasn't a big issue because we was smart, ethical, and an excellent leader with a clear vision for the country that benefited most of the population. He was a comforting presence in a war that he didn't start.
Can you imagine Fat Donnie holding a fireside chat?
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Just saying...
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)...cocaine problem!
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)For those who missed it, watch the Joint Chiefs faces when he mentions hypersonic weapons
Link to tweet
Trump: "Our missiles are big, powerful, accurate, lethal and fast. The fact that we have this great military equipment, however, does not mean we have to use it. We do not want to use it."
Link to tweet
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)hypersonic missiles. Who knows? He worships Putin, so maybe he was projecting.
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)Botany
(70,627 posts)Tikki
(14,560 posts)hoping if he croaks she might legacy for him, have a chance at something, anything.
Tikki
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Nothing like a little cyanosis to perk up a guy.
C_U_L8R
(45,027 posts)That guy is literally heartburn
MadMike47
(106 posts)into a steaming pile of horseshit.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)[link:http://Acetaminophen / Oxycodone, Brand name: Percocet, Narcotic, It can treat moderate to moderately severe pain. Controlled substance High risk for addiction and dependence. Can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses.
He's is absolutely doped up at his rallys.
CrispyQ
(36,547 posts)The best thing for the country is for him to die of natural causes while still in office. I know the right wing nut jobs will come up with conspiracy theories that will blame Obama/Clinton/the left, but I still think it would be the best way to end this horrid presidency. Pence can't even win their primary. We would be back to Marco, Ted, and Mitt, and maybe some new right wing nut jobs like Gym.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,103 posts)Its obvious and many, many people have commented on it, most not on DU.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)then lets fly at his rallies. People are so focused on the damn sniffing, are they even listening to the words coming out of his mouth? The attacks on the previous administration and how their dealings supposedly made us less safe? Dems need to get it together to combat these attacks and stop focusing on fucking man-boobs and dry mouth.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)He definitely sounds weird sometimes but if the guy's as sick as some make him out to be, he wouldn't be able to golf at all, or stand for 1 hour plus at his rallies.
Unfortunately, I don't think his health is as poor as a lot of dems/lefties etc seem to believe or want to believe. Big emphasis on unfortunately because being the bad person that I am, I wouldn't mind one bit if he keeled over during one of his bullcrap speeches asap.
Chakaconcarne
(2,474 posts)Wonder how the State of the Union will go...
Also, he has stated he won't partake in debates...
mcar
(42,426 posts)But that was the first thing that struck me. COPD, perhaps? He sounded like my MIL when she was experiencing congestive heart failure.
TNNurse
(6,931 posts)but did catch a few seconds while changing channels. Monotone voice and flat affect seem to be worse than usual. He sounded and looked like someone who was on medication that had sedating effects.
My mother had a major psychiatric depression and lived for years on Elavil. She then developed the type of Parkinson's that slows your movements, steals your voice and makes you unable to show emotions or any facial expression. He is not that bad now, but it brought back memories.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Very, very soon. Just "almost" ashamed. Not really though. He's such a horrible psychopath.
Pence is not very likable at all. If Trump drops dead (his own doing really, if it happens), I don't think Pence can get elected.
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)His diet has caused immense body fat with estrogen increased man bombs. We were just talking lking about it at gym.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,689 posts)Hat tip, commenter Уильям at Joe.My.God:
Senate Dems Break With Pelosi On Holding Articles
January 8, 2020
....
Уильям 9 minutes ago
OT - All the sniffs from today.
58 times. He sniffed 58 times during his address. Here are all of them.
Link to tweet
Gothmog
(145,750 posts)Initech
(100,117 posts)He is not at all fit to be Commander In Chief - physically or mentally. Physically he looks like a walking heart attack waiting to happen, and given his fast food diet that may happen sooner than later. Mentally he can barely form a coherent sentence and misspells words constantly.
The only ones who still think that are the MAGA morons. This is a great example they're setting.
enid602
(8,660 posts)Maybe Pootie threatened to pull the plug on his loans if Donnie refused to back down.
The Figment
(494 posts)Deep breathing through one's nose is the best way to get/keep o2 in your bloodstream, oxygen passes into your bloodstream faster through your sinuses.
Standing for long periods is a PITA,as is speaking for long periods.
Look at the way Cheetolini walks...slow deliberate steps, no long flights of steps, no long walks,(like when he is golfing) low activelity level ect.
He probably won't live too much longer.
Talitha
(6,634 posts)Constricting that bay window of his will definitely make him gasp like a Carp.
malaise
(269,237 posts)That is all
dlk
(11,588 posts)Upthevibe
(8,091 posts)really wrong. For a while I've been thinking Dementia/Alzheimer's. However, after reading what folks here have posted, I'm inclined to believe that Congestive Heart Failure is probably what's going on. After seeing him this morning a whole hell of a lot of red flags went up. I mean there's "dt's not right" and there's "Man, dt's NOT right."
lunasun
(21,646 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,415 posts)So who is doing this? Stephen Miller?
Did Pompeo build an ark yet?
House of Roberts
(5,190 posts)He may not be doing many more marathon rally speeches.
spanone
(135,913 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Regardless of cause.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)Sure has a dry mouth. I use oxygen. Usually my levels go up within seconds, it is the ability to "hold the charge" though, if you know what I mean. They can drop again quite quickly. But I think he's drugged.
BunnyMcGee
(464 posts)The 'stupid' is weighing on his chest?
Let's hope.
Skittles
(153,243 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)as we all know Jared ADMITTED to having a back channel to the KGB, uh I mean russians.
Rump will do what Putin tells him or Putin will shoot down a few more airplanes like he did yesterday. Not that rump cares about people.
live love laugh
(13,178 posts)speculation is fruitless.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)People have been predicting his demise for years now.
And hes still here.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That isn't a question. The problem is that the Press and a good slice of Americans have their heads shoved deep up their asses.
C Moon
(12,225 posts)I kind of think it's anti-anxiety meds. The cotton mouth, the slurry...
pbmus
(12,422 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,988 posts)Fla Dem
(23,814 posts)but hes still there.
Hell, I can remember DU posts that predicted he would drop dead of a heart attack before the election.
raccoon
(31,130 posts)If what you say is true, and I wouldnt be surprised if it is, Then whats going on with him could be considered elder abuse.
He should be allowed to resign and get some medical help instead of being propped up and drugged to the gills to be At least the acting leader of the country.
But that aint going to happen.
DeminPennswoods
(15,292 posts)I tend to tune out or hit mute when Trump talks, but yesterday was the first time I really noticed that Trump's make-up doesn't cover his entire face. It's missing from around his ears and behind his jaw line and around his eye sockets. It looked sort of like he was wearing an orange mask. Weird.
MFM008
(19,826 posts)Laying in State......
Captain Zero
(6,845 posts)Movement disorders - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org symptoms-causes syc-20363893
Oct 19, 2017 - Tardive dyskinesia. This neurological condition is caused by long-term use of certain drugs used to treat psychiatric conditions (neuroleptic drugs). Tardive dyskinesia causes repetitive and involuntary movements such as grimacing, eye blinking and other movements.
Once an individual has TD it is always present although not noticeable sometimes, if the individual goes off the medication that originally caused it, but then, if the individual begins the medication again for moments of crisis the TD shows up quickly in spades.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Yes. He does that all the time.
Interesting, for sure.
Time for Trump's Thorazine (generic: chlorpromazine) shot again...
treefarmers
(24 posts)You would think with all of his playing golf that keeps him in shape! lol
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Then he gets out, takes a swing, and gets back on the cart.
oldsoftie
(12,641 posts)Those are a lot more taxing than a short speech for the press
kairos12
(12,891 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)He's still the President, and he's still tearing this country apart, with the help of his ''friends'' over at FAUX news, Mitch McConnell, and Bill Barr.
mdbl
(4,976 posts)Ah who am I kidding LOL.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)So look for changes in those. Recently I see him holding onto the podium with his left hand most of the time, and I don't think he used to do that. Also, there are sometimes odd jerky body movements. Does he walk up the stairs to get to the stage? What do other folks see?
onenote
(42,797 posts)There are plenty of folks who see him up close and personal. Folks like Schumer and Pelosi. Others who meet with him. If he was as deathly ill as some here think, you would expect some of these people, possibly anonymously, to be leaking information about how sick he appears up close.
I'm not suggesting that he's as healthy as his medical reports claim, but I don't think he's as sick (physically, not mentally) as many here assume.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)in a Trumpian grandiose way about it , in other words he could not maga that one . Trump never came out of campaign mode because he
he cannot. He I think was displaying discomfort because he couldn't say what ever he wanted to say. Appearing to be ill, sure, gain support of his defenders, they will blame democrats for stressing Trump out. How they are going to prep him up for the debate stage is beyond me. He's got nothing, just nothing, facial expressions is about all he's got. Actually his limited acting abilities is nothing more than facial expressions, that's all he got. Most likely ,figuratively now, he is afraid of castration on the debate stage if that tells you anything.