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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:21 PM Jan 2020

G. Conway & N. Katyal Advise Nancy On How To Trip Up McConnell

George Conway and Neal Katyal advise Pelosi on how to trip up McConnell’s impeachment plans

“On Friday, conservative attorney George Conway and law professor Neal Katyal wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post suggesting a key way that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) could get the upper hand on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Specifically, they argued, Pelosi should “split up” the articles of impeachment — submitting the article of obstruction of Congress, but holding onto the article of abuse of power for further investigation.

“Separating the two articles — our preferred approach — would make perfect sense,” they wrote. “When it comes to the second article, all the evidence about Trump’s obstruction is a matter of public record. There’s nothing more to add, so the second article is ripe for trial. But as to the first, although there is plenty of evidence demonstrating Trump’s guilt, his obstruction has prevented all of the evidence from coming to light.”

“Since the House voted to approve the articles of impeachment last month, new revelations of Trump’s involvement have emerged, including emails showing that aid was ordered withheld from Ukraine 91 minutes after Trump’s supposedly ‘perfect’ phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky,” they wrote. “Trump’s former national security adviser, John Bolton, has said he is willing to testify before the Senate if subpoenaed, and Bolton’s lawyer has said he has new information, yet McConnell has balked at assurances that Bolton would be called.”
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/george-conway-and-neal-katyal-advise-pelosi-on-how-to-trip-up-mcconnells-impeachment-plans/
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G. Conway & N. Katyal Advise Nancy On How To Trip Up McConnell (Original Post) Me. Jan 2020 OP
like the strategy. KewlKat Jan 2020 #1
They shoud also propose a vote in the Senate to make the impeachment vote anonymous Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #32
AND Wawannabe Jan 2020 #2
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #3
It makes sense. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #4
I wonder what her strategy will be. WhiteTara Jan 2020 #5
I like it... keep the door open, the SOTU would be must see TV with Nancy smiling behind him Baked Potato Jan 2020 #6
This is good to float this out there as a trial balloon. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #7
You Are Quite Right Me. Jan 2020 #8
Keeping McConnell guessing with various scenarios is beneficial bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #14
Devil's advocate here Fritz Walter Jan 2020 #9
Chap his chappy area raw? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #27
Sounds GREAT to me BUT bluestarone Jan 2020 #10
This bit is smart Pantagruel Jan 2020 #11
+1. yonder Jan 2020 #17
Also Clinton's impeachment was for personal sexual actions. Trump is a national security threat triron Jan 2020 #28
I'm wondering if maybe Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #12
They could find new Articles every month bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #13
If Trump is elected in 2020 Dan Jan 2020 #15
That may even happen before the election. triron Jan 2020 #29
There's no shortage of offenses to investigate 2naSalit Jan 2020 #26
KnR Hekate Jan 2020 #16
Good plan, how do we get her to do it? BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #18
Shhhhhhh, hush. Don't let THEM know. lol SummerSnow Jan 2020 #19
LOL New Breed Leader Jan 2020 #20
this makes sense...is it something she has considered? samnsara Jan 2020 #21
She's Holding Her Cards Pretty Tight Me. Jan 2020 #22
They read WaPo. So I wonder if they'll attack this idea publicly or strategize a counter plan. ancianita Jan 2020 #23
Neil is incredibly bright on these matters, worth considering. dem4decades Jan 2020 #24
It was John Dean who suggested holding the articles for this current time... Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #25
Love it.... Sogo Jan 2020 #30
I am all for this. Makes a lot of sense. More than releasing both. somaticexperiencing Jan 2020 #31
 

Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
32. They shoud also propose a vote in the Senate to make the impeachment vote anonymous
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 06:48 AM
Jan 2020

All they need to pass that rule is to have 51 votes. My guess is, most of the republican senators would LOVE to have their votes be anonymous. That way, they could vote the cheeto out of office without risking votes from their base.

Wawannabe

(5,685 posts)
2. AND
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:36 PM
Jan 2020

Hanging on to one article will mean that tRump is still impeached during the SOTU even if Senate acquits first article.

Bloody brilliant!

WhiteTara

(29,728 posts)
5. I wonder what her strategy will be.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:40 PM
Jan 2020

Men are always trying to out think her; I'm always amazed at their amazement.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
8. You Are Quite Right
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jan 2020

and then wait to see what She decides. I think that's what happened when L. Tribe suggested she hold them back in the first place.

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
14. Keeping McConnell guessing with various scenarios is beneficial
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jan 2020

I do suspect there are limits to what Nancy Pelosi can do. But look how far we've come already - a solid, public airing of these alleged crimes with multiple investigations still underway outside Congress, and more lines of inquiry inside. I think the tide has turned, but time will tell.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
9. Devil's advocate here
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jan 2020

This approach has some possible benefits:
• Adding new articles — specifically for violating the Emoluments Clause (of the US Constitution), and — most recently — the violation of the War Powers Act/Resolution (law);
• Continuing the “burr under the saddle” tactic that could conceivably push IMPOTUS over the edge, resulting in the invocation of Article 25, catching the RepubliCONs off-guard in an election year.

Stay tuned. Film at eleven

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
11. This bit is smart
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:54 PM
Jan 2020

and logical:

"...In the House, Trump prevented executive branch employees from testifying, but said some of them would be able to testify in the Senate. Now that we are in the Senate, Republicans say these folks should have testified in the House. Lewis Carroll would be pleased.”

“McConnell claims he is adhering to the rules in the impeachment of President Bill Clinton,” they said. “But there’s one big difference: Clinton didn’t gag all the witnesses and documents in the House and the predecessor investigation; as a result, there was a full record before the Senate. And there were, in fact, witnesses who were deposed as part of the Senate trial nonetheless. This time, the reason this evidence wasn’t generated in the House has everything to do with the defendant in the impeachment case itself. That is the case for sending up the second article now, to put the spotlight on Trump’s obstructionism.”

“Holding the first article back and letting the second go forward would be a powerful and precise response to McConnell’s unprecedented attempts to avoid committing to a real trial,” they concluded. “It makes practical sense but also highlights what’s at stake here. Trump would be forced to undergo two impeachment trials instead of one — but that’s a fair price for him to pay for his attempts to hide evidence from the American people.”

triron

(22,026 posts)
28. Also Clinton's impeachment was for personal sexual actions. Trump is a national security threat
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:32 AM
Jan 2020

and mobster plus illegitimate to begin with.

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
12. I'm wondering if maybe
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

Pelosi thinks she has the 51 votes in the Senate to get the rules she wants. That would destroy McConnell's strategy.

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
13. They could find new Articles every month
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:06 PM
Jan 2020

By 2021, if Trump squeaks in again, they should fire up an Impeachment Article Factory and crank 'em out like bagels.

Seriously, multiple impeachments are possible here. There really is that much graft.

Dan

(3,583 posts)
15. If Trump is elected in 2020
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020

Think about the man’s character! There will be no Republic and no doubt he would jail members of Congress (D) that he thought obstructed his total control of our government.

And the loyal GOP to whom their first loyalty is to Trump, would justify these actions, as long as they can retain their seat at the table. Not understanding history, that they would be next.

BigmanPigman

(51,642 posts)
18. Good plan, how do we get her to do it?
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

Before she decided not to send the articles she met with Prof. Tribe, and listened to others like John Dean who had the suggestion/idea. Then a ton of us on DU started calling Rep. Hoyer's offices to tell him to tell Nancy to not send them and a few hours later she didn't sent them.


Should we start calling offices again?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
25. It was John Dean who suggested holding the articles for this current time...
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jan 2020

....and it has been a damn good strategy.

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